You realise this is essentially a dare, right?
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DT is a motherfucker, great job brother!
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I would have taken it as that if I knew what the movements were, but since I don’t and I’m not going to look them up I’ll shall just assume I would have easily achieved this and carry on in ignorance.
Having seen what you pass off as a deadlift in your log, I’m inclined to agree with you.
Full disclosure: my O lift technique is so awful that everytime I see “hang power clean” or whatever I just read clean, because they all look the same, no matter how I pretend to do them.
My O-lifts come in 2 flavours: powerclean and powersnatch. You can put any fancy words around that you want, my movement will look exactly the same. Likewise my presses are strict or not strict, that’s it, that’s your options.
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I can actually differentiate between the variations now, having spent seven weeks actually practicing the positions lol.
Prior to that, same boat.
Power or nothing
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My understanding is power = not having a clue and just muscling up everything, so power clean = get bar to shoulders, push jerk no idea, but presumably the bat ends up over your head, so in my world, push press?
With 70kg this doesn’t sound so bad, but I’m probably just really delusional, plus 5 rounds then makes it sound far far worse.
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In my mind, an actual push press means you dip the knees to get it up, but you do NOT dip the knees once again to get underneath it when it is overhead.
The jerk is where you dip the knees to catch it as well, thereby throwing your body under the weight. That is why Oly lifters go into that crazy split stance, because it allows them to throw themselves way down.
Ergo, the better you get at them, the harder the push press is compared to the jerk. So one of them is cheating, and the other one is CHEATING.
Plus, I might be completely wrong.
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No you are right, when you dip the knees again it’s a jerk.
If you keep the “same” leg position it’s a power jerk.
If you use the split stance it’s a split jerk.
A “power” clean or snatch is when you catch the bar in a squat position over parallel, usually a quarter squat.
A “hang” clean or snatch is initiated from the second pull (so for most people around the knees) with the bar already in the hands.
A “hip” clean or snatch is initiated without the second pull, directly from the point of contact with the bar.
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Everyone one of those sounds right to me.
CrossFit has started using different terms for their workouts. I’ve started to notice that:
- clean - any clean from the floor
- Hang clean - any clean from just above the knees
- Squat Clean - starts from the floor and you have to catch in the full front squat position
The squat clean adds a quad workout to the session. I’m all power. I can power clean more than I can front squat. And I can definitely power snatch more than I can overhead squat.
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I can power snatch, I can’t overhead squat
Same here. I do not have the needed combination of hip, back and shoulder mobility.
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I can and have overhead squatted (only up to 60kg) but seemed like an entirely pointless lift to me.
Thanks for the explanation of the various lifts @aldebaran @Frank_C - I might attempt DT but it will be Deads/hang clean/push press, no jerks for me!
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OVH is super tough, I mean, full snatches feel almost easier to me ahahahah
When I started Crossfit, I would do Push presses most of the time as well (which is usually accepted because they don’t always use terms like push press or jerk but something like shoulders to something which means you can do whatever) because I was more efficient at them and jerks were more tiring to me ahah you’ll get extra shoulder hypertrophy
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You might change your mind in the moment. I was pushing my pace on the final round at the expense of some brain function. I push pressed a couple reps and it about did me in. I had to pause for a couple breaths and figure out how to finish. I almost dropped the bar and that would’ve wasted a lot of energy and been a mental defeat.
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I still don’t get jerks, push press is a pretty natural movement for me and I get a fair bit out of the leg drive (probably an extra 25-30kg). In a moment of oxygen deprived brainlessness I think I’d be default PP? I’ll have to wait and see!
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8.17.20 W12 D2 - OHP
Super Set
OHP (5/3/1 R/P)
45 x 10
95 x 5
115 x 3
135 x 5+2 + 5 push press + 5 push jerks (20 sec rest between each “set”)
PULL UP
BW x 10, 10, 10+3
Super Set
OHP (BBB)
95 x 10, 9, 7, 6, 6
LAT PULL DOWN
150 x 10 x 5 sets
Super Set
SMITH INCLINE 1.5 REPS
95 x 9, 10, 10
CABLE REAR DELT FLY
40 x 15 x 3 sets
Slowed down a bit today and chatted halfway through the session. I actually liked the slower pace. I’m not huffing and puffing and sweating like crazy in my uniform. I skipped arms and I don’t care. OHP didn’t necessarily hurt. I suck at it and I don’t like that. I can rep 75s for a few reps on seated OHP but I struggle with 135 on standing OHP?
As usual, I was considering changing my next plan already. I have a two day a week plan so I can do more conditioning. I feel like I’m doing a decent amount of conditioning now (enough to improve) so there’s not a huge need to drastically increase it. I might try a three day per week lifting plan which seems like a good compromise to keep my every other day lifting while also keeping squats on a certain day of the week.
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OHP with the bar is a different animal. With DBs the correct path is “automatic”. With the bar it has a tendancy to go away from the body. Also, core recruitment is way different and usually a strength leak
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Dislike!
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I’m the opposite. Standing OHP is one of my strongest lifts when fully trained however I suck hard at seated
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