Junior Seau Dead

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
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Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

^^ THIS

he isnt the first player to commit suicide by shooting himself in the chest/stomach so that his head/brain was preserved. The last player to do it (cant remember his name) had also put in his will that he wanted to donate his brain to science. The tested his brain and found a disease that was linked to head injuries.

it is NOT a stretch at all to link the constant brain trauma that these defensive big hitters endure to brain issues, depression and dementia…

I hope his family lets them do a study on JR… it could really be eye opening and help out a lot of people.

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[i]Omalu, the chief medical officer for San Joaquin County (Calif.), is credited with identifying Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a neurological disorder stemming from repeated head trauma in several deceased NFL players. CTE can lead to erratic behavior also associated with dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.

It is expected to take 4-6 weeks to determine whether Seau suffered from CTE, and at this point, it is unclear who will make that diagnosis. Seau’s brain remains with the San Diego medical examiner and is not expected to be buried with Seau, according to the sources[/i]

^^This is what i was talking about. CTE

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I am not convinced that this is a suicide, just my gut instincts talkin’ to me.

I am going to a vigil tomorrow in Oceanside, some old USC players are going to give homage. After that, I will console myself with tacos and watching The Avengers.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
[/quote]

Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to point out some shit for you…

He has had issues with girlfriends and his wife in the past. He even ran his SUV off the road allegedly from “falling asleep.” Problem is, an NFL linebacker whose head is always on a swivel doesn’t just fall asleep like that.

Also, who aims for their chest when committing suicide ? I know I am nitpicking, but don’t most people aim for their head ? I want to see who the gun belongs to, if there are any prints on the gun other than his, and the non-verbal cues from the girlfriend as she gives her story.

I don’t believe this is a suicide at all. The guy OWNS San Diego, and the Chargers, and the Hawaiian-Samoan cultures in So Cal.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
The clips of his mother both anger me -the media being all over the most devastating moment of her life; I know it’s ‘good TV’ but having been around the recent school shooting in Chardon I have an incredible distaste for media at events like this because I’ve seen what they do to get the ‘most emotional’ responses they can- and bring tears to my eyes. That part about her plea to god to take her in his place being too late is heartbreaking.

Marcellus Wiley’s response to the event on ESPN was also powerful. Junior was ‘the man’ to a lot of younger players that came into the league in the last decade, it has to be jarring to see someone you admired so much to go out in this manner.[/quote]

I agree they should have pulled it asap. She’s in hell give her some peace.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
[/quote]

Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to point out some shit for you…

He has had issues with girlfriends and his wife in the past. He even ran his SUV off the road allegedly from “falling asleep.” Problem is, an NFL linebacker whose head is always on a swivel doesn’t just fall asleep like that.

Also, who aims for their chest when committing suicide ? I know I am nitpicking, but don’t most people aim for their head ? I want to see who the gun belongs to, if there are any prints on the gun other than his, and the non-verbal cues from the girlfriend as she gives her story.

I don’t believe this is a suicide at all. The guy OWNS San Diego, and the Chargers, and the Hawaiian-Samoan cultures in So Cal. [/quote]

The point has been that he purposefully shot himself in the chest so that his brain could be examined post-mortem. The coroner has already determined it was a suicide.

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Could anyone see a day where there are mandatory scans and age limits on players or maximum years of service?

I have a feeling this particuler tragedy is going to usher in a new era in pro football far quicker than people imagined. Water shed moment if you will.

Like other have posted Seau was THE man.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
[/quote]

Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to point out some shit for you…

He has had issues with girlfriends and his wife in the past. He even ran his SUV off the road allegedly from “falling asleep.” Problem is, an NFL linebacker whose head is always on a swivel doesn’t just fall asleep like that.

Also, who aims for their chest when committing suicide ? I know I am nitpicking, but don’t most people aim for their head ? I want to see who the gun belongs to, if there are any prints on the gun other than his, and the non-verbal cues from the girlfriend as she gives her story.

I don’t believe this is a suicide at all. The guy OWNS San Diego, and the Chargers, and the Hawaiian-Samoan cultures in So Cal. [/quote]

You’re only strengthening my argument, not weakening it. Plenty people commit suicide by shooting themselves in the chest, including a couple of previous NFL players who left notes specifically saying that they didn’t shoot themselves in the head in order to preserve their brain for further study. That’s most likely why Seau shot himself in the chest. I would never liken Seau to a woman, but I believe that this is also the most common way for women who commit suicide via gun to do it.

I mentioned his girlfriend incident. Sounds like CTE-related mood swings to me. And I’m sure he had a lot to live for, which makes this suicide even more tragic. But when he ran off the road he also had no alcohol or drugs in his system. So perhaps that was a failed suicide attempt as well.

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Damn shame. That’s a guy who I would want to be. Can’t say a bad word about him.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

It has been speculated that he purposefully shot himself in the chest so that his brain could be examined post-mortem. The coroner has already determined it was a suicide.
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FYP[/quote]

No you didn’t but thanks for trying.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
[/quote]

Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to point out some shit for you…

He has had issues with girlfriends and his wife in the past. He even ran his SUV off the road allegedly from “falling asleep.” Problem is, an NFL linebacker whose head is always on a swivel doesn’t just fall asleep like that.

Also, who aims for their chest when committing suicide ? I know I am nitpicking, but don’t most people aim for their head ? I want to see who the gun belongs to, if there are any prints on the gun other than his, and the non-verbal cues from the girlfriend as she gives her story.

I don’t believe this is a suicide at all. The guy OWNS San Diego, and the Chargers, and the Hawaiian-Samoan cultures in So Cal. [/quote]

It seems Junior shot himself in the chest to keep his brain intact for research, much like Dave Duerson.

RIP

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

It has been speculated that he purposefully shot himself in the chest so that his brain could be examined post-mortem. The coroner has already determined it was a suicide.
[/quote]

FYP[/quote]

No you didn’t but thanks for trying.[/quote]

Don’t be offended but the bottom line is neither you nor Delbert KNOWS that he shot himself in the chest so his brain could be studied. Sheesh folks, it may be true but at this point it’s sheer SPECULATION. Call a spade a spade.
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And if you want to point out that it is purely speculation then simply do so. FYP is condescending especially since I was specifically replying to Maximus’s question of “why would he shoot himself in the chest if it was suicide?” I was only stating that DB’s point has been that he did so to preserve his brain. Whether or not that is true we may never know.

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His family is donating his brain for research. They said it could take up to 90 days to figure if anything was wrong. Glad to see that they donated it.

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Anyone saying this might not be a suicide, C’mon. Let’s not insult the police department. I know they are lazy donut eating fatasses but their are not going to proclaim this a suicide this early without the facts clearly showing that it was the most probable cause of death. Also, I think it’s easy and fashionable to say head trauma was the main thing that caused him to do this. That is not neccesarily true though. I don’t think you can overestimate how hard it can be on a person to play a pro sport and be idolized for years and years, have the crowd raoring for your every tackle, a brotherhood of gridiron warriors having your back every week, and then all of a sudden not have any of that because you are too washed up. Why do pro athletes come back so much after retirement? They have all the money they could ever need, they still have fans, but they dont’t have that rush that they have lived with their whole lives and thats a great void to fill. Obviously i’m just thinking out loud, but i’m not convinced this has anything to do with head trauma, though it may. Sometimes you just can never know why someone would take their life, I certainly wouldn’t be one to judge.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I would be shocked if this was related to anything other than post-concussion issues. He probably knew it too, which is why he shot himself in the chest and not the head. [/quote]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was having financial issues as well.

ex wife and 3 kids is probably a HELL of a lot of child support going out… he also had at least two “Seau’s” restaurants that went under recently.
[/quote]

Yeah, but I highly suspect that the reason he shot himself in the chest was because he knew deep down that his mental issues (assuming he had any, of course) were concussion-related. If he blew his brains out a gaping hole in the back of his head then an autopsy wouldn’t confirm anything about neurological damage to the brain.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his car accident in 2010 was a failed suicide attempt, either. He drove off a 100’ cliff shortly after he was arrested for domestic violence, yet had no traces of drugs or alcohol in his system. It wouldn’t shock me if the assault was the result of intense mood swings related to chronic traumatic encephalopathy.[/quote]

Or maybe he didn’t want to make his mama bury him with a closed casket.

It’s a mighty big stretch on all the brain injury conjecture till more evidence is found.[/quote]

It’s not a mighty big stretch at all. It’s most likely EXACTLY what was going on. We’re talking about a guy who suffered probably thousands of blows to the head. And we know that CTE leads to massive depression. Furthermore, he isn’t the only former player to commit suicide in a manner that preserves their brain and whose autopsy showed they suffered severe brain damage.

Give me a fucking break with all this “let’s wait until all the evidence is in” bullshit. The evidence that is in so far clearly points to the scenario I described as being the most likely possibility. The fact is that it’s quite a stretch to argue that anything other than this is what occurred.[/quote]

I don’t completely disagree with you, but I want to point out some shit for you…

He has had issues with girlfriends and his wife in the past. He even ran his SUV off the road allegedly from “falling asleep.” Problem is, an NFL linebacker whose head is always on a swivel doesn’t just fall asleep like that.

Also, who aims for their chest when committing suicide ? I know I am nitpicking, but don’t most people aim for their head ? I want to see who the gun belongs to, if there are any prints on the gun other than his, and the non-verbal cues from the girlfriend as she gives her story.

I don’t believe this is a suicide at all. The guy OWNS San Diego, and the Chargers, and the Hawaiian-Samoan cultures in So Cal. [/quote]

I would just say that people that dispute a suicide when the evidence clearly points to it do so because of an emotional attachment that the person that they cared so much about would do such a thing. It is understandable because it is a hard thing to accept.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Anyone saying this might not be a suicide, C’mon. Let’s not insult the police department. I know they are lazy donut eating fatasses but their are not going to proclaim this a suicide this early without the facts clearly showing that it was the most probable cause of death. Also, I think it’s easy and fashionable to say head trauma was the main thing that caused him to do this. That is not neccesarily true though. I don’t think you can overestimate how hard it can be on a person to play a pro sport and be idolized for years and years, have the crowd raoring for your every tackle, a brotherhood of gridiron warriors having your back every week, and then all of a sudden not have any of that because you are too washed up. Why do pro athletes come back so much after retirement? They have all the money they could ever need, they still have fans, but they dont’t have that rush that they have lived with their whole lives and thats a great void to fill. Obviously i’m just thinking out loud, but i’m not convinced this has anything to do with head trauma, though it may. Sometimes you just can never know why someone would take their life, I certainly wouldn’t be one to judge.

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I agree with what you wrote but I think head trauma was involved too. Probably made how he felt after retirement like how you wrote even worse. Either way RIP Seau. Watching the news conference with his mom was so heartbreaking.

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OK.

So I went to Junior’s house yesterday after watching ‘The Avengers’ and came across this scene. A number of people (maybe 30) standing outside with a solemn feeling and somber attitude. Not much commotion, just shock and silence. You could still see some of the yellow police crime-scene tape around the edge of the property. Some media was there, not alot of talking though.

This was tough for me, having idolized Junior Seau growing up, and eventually going to USC where he is worshipped as well. It was like seeing my favorite super-hero being killed.