Juicers and Lying

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
Yes, and resorting to profanitys is intellegent and rational. Face it, you’re just mad that you gave in to your insecuritys and started juicing in the first place. Your denial of such is as transparent as your effort to hide your body dysmorphic disorder. You and others like you are no different than a bulimic/anorexic waif. Thats all you are inside.

You know nothing about me - or what’s inside me.

Your ignorance and refusal to learn have skewed your thinking such that you can not possibly entertain a well reasoned alternative to your kneejerk, visceral, illogical fantasy.

I am not mad about anything other than your ignorance. Because ignorance is an entirely preventable disease. Couple that with your fear - and you have the bigot you and jj have become.

I think the use of AAS is one of the greates things I could have ever done for myself. I’m not talking about the gym, or how I look. I train alone in a town of under 800 people. Who the fuck do I have to impress?

If I am wrong - then why the explosion in male HRT in the last 3 years? Are you suggesting that all of those guys taking juice are just doing it because they want a bigger bench, or squat? I call bullshit. Your ignorance of this subject is exceeded only by your prejudice towards those that are different from the way you think they should be.

You are a joke. Well - your ignorance has made you a joke. I am sure your mother loves you regardless.

And I have been using cusswords for longer than you have been potty trained - just to put your little life into perspective, scooter. [/quote]

Are you telling me that the vast majority of juicers are doing it purely for their health? If you truly belive that then you are a fool. There is only one driving force behind a person’s choice to use steroids. Vanity. To get bigger and stronger than they would be naturally, or perhaps to speed things up a bit. And im not talking about impressing anyone else. The use of steroids is a very selfish thing to do. They do it to please themselves.

Vanity drives many to start bodybuilding in the first place, and steroids along with other supplements only the next step for people who are never satisfied with themselves. Again No different than a skinny female who thinks shes fat and takes diet pills and starves herself.

You can argue that bodybuilding isn’t a “natural” thing to do anyway, and I would agree with you, but don’t kid yourself into thinking that lifting with steroids is the more healthy than without.

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[quote]Roargathor wrote:
Are you telling me that the vast majority of juicers are doing it purely for their health? [/quote]

No - I am telling you that there are reasons beyond that which you have made up in your head for taking AAS. I can’t speak for everyone - unlike yourself who has been self-ordained to do so in spite of the glaring ignorance.

No - a fool would say there is only one reason to do anything. A fool would revel in his ignorance and cast judgement on those he is completely ignorant of. A fool would profess to know what everyone is thinking based on his own anecdotal observations.

You are the fool, kiddo.

DO you have proof of this theory, or is it just the mindless ramblings of a jealous little kid? It sounds eerily like the latter, since you have provided none of the former.

Once again - you allow your ignorance of the subject override objective thinking.

Why are steroids given to AIDS patients? Why are some steroids (nandrolone) bebeficial to joints? Why is testosterone being billed as the fountain of youth?

Healthy is a relative term. You are trying to cram square pegs into every round hole you find, and it just make you look like a kid that needs to be put in a special classroom with round corners, and padded walls.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
Are you telling me that the vast majority of juicers are doing it purely for their health?

No - I am telling you that there are reasons beyond that which you have made up in your head for taking AAS. I can’t speak for everyone - unlike yourself who has been self-ordained to do so in spite of the glaring ignorance.

If you truly belive that then you are a fool. There is only one driving force behind a person’s choice to use steroids. Vanity. To get bigger and stronger than they would be naturally, or perhaps to speed things up a bit. And im not talking about impressing anyone else. The use of steroids is a very selfish thing to do. They do it to please themselves.

No - a fool would say there is only one reason to do anything. A fool would revel in his ignorance and cast judgement on those he is completely ignorant of. A fool would profess to know what everyone is thinking based on his own anecdotal observations.

You are the fool, kiddo.

Vanity drives many to start bodybuilding in the first place, and steroids along with other supplements only the next step for people who are never satisfied with themselves. Again No different than a skinny female who thinks shes fat and takes diet pills and starves herself.

DO you have proof of this theory, or is it just the mindless ramblings of a jealous little kid? It sounds eerily like the latter, since you have provided none of the former.

You can argue that bodybuilding isn’t a “natural” thing to do anyway, and I would agree with you, but don’t kid yourself into thinking that lifting with steroids is the more healthy than without.

Once again - you allow your ignorance of the subject override objective thinking.

Why are steroids given to AIDS patients? Why are some steroids (nandrolone) bebeficial to joints? Why is testosterone being billed as the fountain of youth?

Healthy is a relative term. You are trying to cram square pegs into every round hole you find, and it just make you look like a kid that needs to be put in a special classroom with round corners, and padded walls.

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Ok sir, if you would be so kind to enlighten me as to what other reasons beyond vanity there are for taking roids. You say I don’t know anything about you, but you don’t tell me anything beyond that, so how am I supposed to see anything different than what my own anecdotal observations suggest? Dare I ask, why do YOU do steroids?

Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough as to whom I speak of. You know who you are. I am not talking about people who “need” steroid therapy. Again, if you think that most people who are taking roids “need” them to stay alive or be healthy, you are wrong. I’m not denying that there are people who do, but those people are a minority.

As for testosterone being billed as the fountian of youth, unless you are unfortunate enough to have lost your testicles why would you need to inject MORE test into yourself? Again I’m talking about a healthy active individual with no major health issues (the majority of those who use steroids). And if that statement is true, then why is the average life expectancy of women longer than men? Last I checked, men have more testosterone than women…

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Roar…even a non-juicers reading this would agree that you are absolutely, 100% trolling. this seriously is a joke.

you haven’t read into this subject whatsoever. the “knowledge” you display is biased, one sided and at kindergarten level. your posts and general attitude on the subject totally scream out " I Roar, am a media whore, and have been brainwashed by said source of misinformation. I have seen those in depth reports on CNN telling the kiddies that steroids are BAAAAD, how could CNN be incorrect or totally biased in there portrayl of this topic?! they always tell the truth to the american public! they always have our best interest in mind! AND, those TLC reports on these steeeroids are also a great learning tool and have taught me so much. I mean, c’mon, its the learning channel! there is no way that they could have a hidden agenda to show only the negative aspects to feed the paranoia of the general public!" fucking rubbish. you are an ignorant fool. wake up.

there are MANY more activites and lifestyle choices that people partake in which are way more detrimental to their health than educated AAS use. there are way more that have social/emotional impacts on the people around said abusers. crusade against those.

i thought this bullshit was cleared up pages ago…obviously you have a short memory, a learning disability, are borderline retarded, or just haven’t been taking your ritalin the last few days.

i suggest you find a worthwhile hobby…like going to the gym. cause you absolutely SUCK at debate…you’ve been owned numerous times in these 13 pages…yet keep digging a deeper hole.

newsflash walter cronkite:

ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA

buh bye

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Jsbrook , Maybe if your 300 lbs ? I know those charts aren’t exact but if your in the severe’ly obese catagory you might need take it down a notch .

For you guys that think steroids are " worth it " or safe . If you prove me wrong great . No harm done , If your wrong your fucked . You’ll be just like all the inmate’s who never thought " they " would’nt get caught . You’ll never care till somthing fucked up happens . That just the way it is . You can’t say I’m wrong .

Um, no. I have never been in the severly obese category. I was in the obese category at 190 in high single digits bodyfat. Naturally. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I was healthy as a horse. Vital signs all excellent. Could run a fast 400. And I bet I could’ve still run a solid 10K even though I wasn’t training for endurance at all. And people can be in the severely obese cateogry though I have never been and still be muscular, healthy, and at a low bodyfat.
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I don’t mean you personaly I was talking about in general . I know you can be a muscular 250 . I was , but fat or no fat your still carrying extra wieght around ? Taxing your heart , other systems ect. ect .

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

I think the use of AAS is one of the greates things I could have ever done for myself. I’m not talking about the gym, or how I look. I train alone in a town of under 800 people. Who the fuck do I have to impress?

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That explain’s Alot ! Nothing says loving like marrying your cousin huh rainjack . I am suprised you guys got the internet .

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[quote]jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Jsbrook , Maybe if your 300 lbs ? I know those charts aren’t exact but if your in the severe’ly obese catagory you might need take it down a notch .

For you guys that think steroids are " worth it " or safe . If you prove me wrong great . No harm done , If your wrong your fucked . You’ll be just like all the inmate’s who never thought " they " would’nt get caught . You’ll never care till somthing fucked up happens . That just the way it is . You can’t say I’m wrong .

Um, no. I have never been in the severly obese category. I was in the obese category at 190 in high single digits bodyfat. Naturally. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I was healthy as a horse. Vital signs all excellent. Could run a fast 400. And I bet I could’ve still run a solid 10K even though I wasn’t training for endurance at all. And people can be in the severely obese cateogry though I have never been and still be muscular, healthy, and at a low bodyfat.

I don’t mean you personaly I was talking about in general . I know you can be a muscular 250 . I was , but fat or no fat your still carrying extra wieght around ? Taxing your heart , other systems ect. ect .[/quote]

Some evidence that you are taxing your heart, please

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Jsbrook , Maybe if your 300 lbs ? I know those charts aren’t exact but if your in the severe’ly obese catagory you might need take it down a notch .

For you guys that think steroids are " worth it " or safe . If you prove me wrong great . No harm done , If your wrong your fucked . You’ll be just like all the inmate’s who never thought " they " would’nt get caught . You’ll never care till somthing fucked up happens . That just the way it is . You can’t say I’m wrong .

Um, no. I have never been in the severly obese category. I was in the obese category at 190 in high single digits bodyfat. Naturally. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I was healthy as a horse. Vital signs all excellent. Could run a fast 400. And I bet I could’ve still run a solid 10K even though I wasn’t training for endurance at all. And people can be in the severely obese cateogry though I have never been and still be muscular, healthy, and at a low bodyfat.

I don’t mean you personaly I was talking about in general . I know you can be a muscular 250 . I was , but fat or no fat your still carrying extra wieght around ? Taxing your heart , other systems ect. ect .

Some evidence that you are taxing your heart, please[/quote]

Some evedince that obesity taxs your heart or some evidence that extreme muscle mass is the same as extreme fat ?

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[quote]Roargathor wrote:

Vanity drives many to start bodybuilding in the first place, and steroids along with other supplements only the next step for people who are never satisfied with themselves. Again No different than a skinny female who thinks shes fat and takes diet pills and starves herself.

don’t kid yourself into thinking that lifting with steroids is the more healthy than without.[/quote]

Biggerexia , Ha Ha ! I love how all the juicers think " they " Know how to use the safe way !!!

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[quote]jjay wrote:

Some evedince that obesity taxs your heart or some evidence that extreme muscle mass is the same as extreme fat ?[/quote]

Obviously the muscle mass, idiot. You guys are ignorant as HELL. I won’t use steroids, and even I think you guys need to move on and get a life. Do you run around the gym and tell people they shouldn’t lift heavy as well?

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[quote]jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
Jsbrook , Maybe if your 300 lbs ? I know those charts aren’t exact but if your in the severe’ly obese catagory you might need take it down a notch .

For you guys that think steroids are " worth it " or safe . If you prove me wrong great . No harm done , If your wrong your fucked . You’ll be just like all the inmate’s who never thought " they " would’nt get caught . You’ll never care till somthing fucked up happens . That just the way it is . You can’t say I’m wrong .

Um, no. I have never been in the severly obese category. I was in the obese category at 190 in high single digits bodyfat. Naturally. And there’s nothing wrong with that. I was healthy as a horse. Vital signs all excellent. Could run a fast 400.

And I bet I could’ve still run a solid 10K even though I wasn’t training for endurance at all. And people can be in the severely obese cateogry though I have never been and still be muscular, healthy, and at a low bodyfat.

I don’t mean you personaly I was talking about in general . I know you can be a muscular 250 . I was , but fat or no fat your still carrying extra wieght around ? Taxing your heart , other systems ect. ect .

Some evidence that you are taxing your heart, please

Some evedince that obesity taxs your heart or some evidence that extreme muscle mass is the same as extreme fat ?[/quote]

There’s PLENTY of evidence that obesity taxes the heart and largely contributes to high blood pressue, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc… I am aware of no evidence or studies where they’ve looked at those who weigh a lot due to muscle and low bodyfat with the safe findings. Without those, it’s sheer speculation.

And not logical at that. Why would your heart be working harder if you are in excellent cardiovascular shape and have a top notch diet?

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[quote]jjay wrote:
That explain’s Alot ! Nothing says loving like marrying your cousin huh rainjack . I am suprised you guys got the internet . [/quote]

Yeah - I have the internet and I use it to research and learn. You could take a note or two from me if you weren’t so full of hate and bigotry.

What do you use your computer for? It is obvious that it is not for education, or trying to better yourself. Hated and ignorance must run in your family.

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Lots of reasons they lie. Stigma is one. It’s illegal is two. Probably the biggest though is that they want to make it seem like they got there by just plain hard work. Yeah, I know everyone here says they bust their asses even with roids, which is true, but you don’t get the same results as a guy that busts his ass just as hard, but doesn’t juice. It’s that simple. Juicing gives you results that are extremely hard to get training naturally. Although you shouldn’t, a guy with minimal training experience can put on muscle at a rate that would take someone not on roids several times longer. 15 lbs might take a year naturally, but roids could bump that to 6 weeks.

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[quote]ryanjm wrote:
Lots of reasons they lie. Stigma is one. It’s illegal is two. Probably the biggest though is that they want to make it seem like they got there by just plain hard work. Yeah, I know everyone here says they bust their asses even with roids, which is true, but you don’t get the same results as a guy that busts his ass just as hard, but doesn’t juice. It’s that simple. Juicing gives you results that are extremely hard to get training naturally. Although you shouldn’t, a guy with minimal training experience can put on muscle at a rate that would take someone not on roids several times longer. 15 lbs might take a year naturally, but roids could bump that to 6 weeks.[/quote]

I see your point to an extent, but to get the most out of a steroid cycle you need to first build a damn solid foundation naturally for a few years. You can’t give a newbie a cycle that hasn’t built a base and expect magical results.

D

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jjay wrote:
That explain’s Alot ! Nothing says loving like marrying your cousin huh rainjack . I am suprised you guys got the internet .

Yeah - I have the internet and I use it to research and learn. You could take a note or two from me if you weren’t so full of hate and bigotry.

What do you use your computer for? It is obvious that it is not for education, or trying to better yourself. Hated and ignorance must run in your family. [/quote]

How many times you gonna say bigotry ?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

There’s PLENTY of evidence that obesity taxes the heart and largely contributes to high blood pressue, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc… I am aware of no evidence or studies where they’ve looked at those who weigh a lot due to muscle and low bodyfat with the safe findings. Without those, it’s sheer speculation.

And not logical at that. Why would your heart be working harder if you are in excellent cardiovascular shape and have a top notch diet?[/quote]

Because these guys arent in excellent cardiovascular shape . You know , your an athlete . How would you perform at 75 lbs over you ideal wieght . I know how I preformed . As far as evidence ? Call me the first to make the comparision .

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[quote]juice20jd wrote:
Roar…even a non-juicers reading this would agree that you are absolutely, 100% trolling. this seriously is a joke.

you haven’t read into this subject whatsoever. the “knowledge” you display is biased, one sided and at kindergarten level. your posts and general attitude on the subject totally scream out " I Roar, am a media whore, and have been brainwashed by said source of misinformation. I have seen those in depth reports on CNN telling the kiddies that steroids are BAAAAD, how could CNN be incorrect or totally biased in there portrayl of this topic?! they always tell the truth to the american public! they always have our best interest in mind! AND, those TLC reports on these steeeroids are also a great learning tool and have taught me so much. I mean, c’mon, its the learning channel! there is no way that they could have a hidden agenda to show only the negative aspects to feed the paranoia of the general public!" fucking rubbish. you are an ignorant fool. wake up.

there are MANY more activites and lifestyle choices that people partake in which are way more detrimental to their health than educated AAS use. there are way more that have social/emotional impacts on the people around said abusers. crusade against those.

i thought this bullshit was cleared up pages ago…obviously you have a short memory, a learning disability, are borderline retarded, or just haven’t been taking your ritalin the last few days.

i suggest you find a worthwhile hobby…like going to the gym. cause you absolutely SUCK at debate…you’ve been owned numerous times in these 13 pages…yet keep digging a deeper hole.

newsflash walter cronkite:

ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA

buh bye

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If you are so sure all I’m doing is just trolling, then why the hell did you spend soo much energy on this last post? Why waste your time? That had to take you at least 3-4 minutes even if you are a fast typist. My trolling just wasted those minutes, and you will never get them back. How do you feel now dumbass?

And who the hell “owened” me? LOL! You know, all I have been reading as retort to my posts are the same old bullshit like “If you dont have proof then stfu” or “you are a bigot and biased” or “you’re ignorant”, but none of you give me any facts or references. Seriously, back you shit up, give me reasons, solid reasons other than vanity why anyone juices and I’ll give you a cookie. But yeah, sure I could be trolling, but if thats the case, you are one of those stupid little fish that keeps taking the bait and gets tossed back in the water.

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[quote]Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:

Some evedince that obesity taxs your heart or some evidence that extreme muscle mass is the same as extreme fat ?

Obviously the muscle mass, idiot. You guys are ignorant as HELL. I won’t use steroids, and even I think you guys need to move on and get a life. Do you run around the gym and tell people they shouldn’t lift heavy as well?
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The nerve , And after I helped you out with your avatar problem . Some people !

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[quote]David McClay wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

There’s PLENTY of evidence that obesity taxes the heart and largely contributes to high blood pressue, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc… I am aware of no evidence or studies where they’ve looked at those who weigh a lot due to muscle and low bodyfat with the safe findings. Without those, it’s sheer speculation.

And not logical at that. Why would your heart be working harder if you are in excellent cardiovascular shape and have a top notch diet?

Because these guys arent in excellent cardiovascular shape . You know , your an athlete . How would you perform at 75 lbs over you ideal wieght . I know how I preformed . As far as evidence ? Call me the first to make the comparision .

What is ideal weight? Not what’s on the weight chart. That would probably put a 6footer at 180. A 6footer could be in excellent cardiovascular shape and athletic at 255. I’ve seen it. But I am done with this thread.
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What 1 post and your done . I am a 6’er and I was in shape and athletic at 250 lbs . I was also in shape at 180 and there is no comparision ! Now take that extra 70 lbs . Can you tell me that carrying that around for 30 or 40 years is not going to have any negative effect on my life span ?

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[quote]jjay wrote:
Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:

Some evedince that obesity taxs your heart or some evidence that extreme muscle mass is the same as extreme fat ?

Obviously the muscle mass, idiot. You guys are ignorant as HELL. I won’t use steroids, and even I think you guys need to move on and get a life. Do you run around the gym and tell people they shouldn’t lift heavy as well?

The nerve , And after I helped you out with your avatar problem . Some people ![/quote]

Whatever you say, jjay(or CHEKonIT, Desleepljin, whover you are posting as right now.) You asked how many times Rainjack was gonna use the word bigotry, the answer is probably as long as you guys keep exhibiting it.