[quote]Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:
Whatever you say, jjay(or CHEKonIT, Desleepljin, whover you are posting as right now.) You asked how many times Rainjack was gonna use the word bigotry, the answer is probably as long as you guys keep exhibiting it.
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I don’t know what that means ?
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
ryanjm wrote:
Lots of reasons they lie. Stigma is one. It’s illegal is two. Probably the biggest though is that they want to make it seem like they got there by just plain hard work. Yeah, I know everyone here says they bust their asses even with roids, which is true, but you don’t get the same results as a guy that busts his ass just as hard, but doesn’t juice. It’s that simple. Juicing gives you results that are extremely hard to get training naturally. Although you shouldn’t, a guy with minimal training experience can put on muscle at a rate that would take someone not on roids several times longer. 15 lbs might take a year naturally, but roids could bump that to 6 weeks.
I see your point to an extent, but to get the most out of a steroid cycle you need to first build a damn solid foundation naturally for a few years. You can’t give a newbie a cycle that hasn’t built a base and expect magical results.
D
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Completely agree!
[quote]jjay wrote:
David McClay wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
There’s PLENTY of evidence that obesity taxes the heart and largely contributes to high blood pressue, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc… I am aware of no evidence or studies where they’ve looked at those who weigh a lot due to muscle and low bodyfat with the safe findings. Without those, it’s sheer speculation.
And not logical at that. Why would your heart be working harder if you are in excellent cardiovascular shape and have a top notch diet?
Because these guys arent in excellent cardiovascular shape . You know , your an athlete . How would you perform at 75 lbs over you ideal wieght . I know how I preformed . As far as evidence ? Call me the first to make the comparision .
What is ideal weight? Not what’s on the weight chart. That would probably put a 6footer at 180. A 6footer could be in excellent cardiovascular shape and athletic at 255. I’ve seen it. But I am done with this thread.
What 1 post and your done . I am a 6’er and I was in shape and athletic at 250 lbs . I was also in shape at 180 and there is no comparision ! Now take that extra 70 lbs . Can you tell me that carrying that around for 30 or 40 years is not going to have any negative effect on my life span ? [/quote]
Why would it? IWhat is it doing to your body? How is it having a detrimental effect on you heart in any way whatsoever? f you can give me any reason why beyond speculation, then maybe I’ll continue the discussion.
Geez, this thread is retarted! I think all you juicers should be spending what little time you have left on this planet in the gym, enjoying your muscles or, with your loved ones! LOL!
Boy these guys sure like to suck you boys in!
Anyways I just though I would point out that JJay has infact used steroids.
MAG-10 is infact a pretty potent steroid stack, and that is why it is illegal now. The only difference from pro-drugs is their chemical composition outside the body. Inside they are converted and bind at the AR the exact same way that all other AAS does.
As for Roar … I have really enjoyed reading your work. Would you consider writing a peice we could all read, pointing out all the dangers of steroid use that we could put in the steroid newbie thread that would disuade all these newbies from trying steroids along with all of us?
[quote]jjay wrote:
Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:
Whatever you say, jjay(or CHEKonIT, Desleepljin, whover you are posting as right now.) You asked how many times Rainjack was gonna use the word bigotry, the answer is probably as long as you guys keep exhibiting it.
I don’t know what that means ? [/quote]
Explains a lot(you troll).
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
Roar…even a non-juicers reading this would agree that you are absolutely, 100% trolling. this seriously is a joke.
you haven’t read into this subject whatsoever. the “knowledge” you display is biased, one sided and at kindergarten level. your posts and general attitude on the subject totally scream out " I Roar, am a media whore, and have been brainwashed by said source of misinformation. I have seen those in depth reports on CNN telling the kiddies that steroids are BAAAAD, how could CNN be incorrect or totally biased in there portrayl of this topic?! they always tell the truth to the american public! they always have our best interest in mind! AND, those TLC reports on these steeeroids are also a great learning tool and have taught me so much. I mean, c’mon, its the learning channel! there is no way that they could have a hidden agenda to show only the negative aspects to feed the paranoia of the general public!" fucking rubbish. you are an ignorant fool. wake up.
there are MANY more activites and lifestyle choices that people partake in which are way more detrimental to their health than educated AAS use. there are way more that have social/emotional impacts on the people around said abusers. crusade against those.
i thought this bullshit was cleared up pages ago…obviously you have a short memory, a learning disability, are borderline retarded, or just haven’t been taking your ritalin the last few days.
i suggest you find a worthwhile hobby…like going to the gym. cause you absolutely SUCK at debate…you’ve been owned numerous times in these 13 pages…yet keep digging a deeper hole.
newsflash walter cronkite:
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
buh bye
If you are so sure all I’m doing is just trolling, then why the hell did you spend soo much energy on this last post? Why waste your time? That had to take you at least 3-4 minutes even if you are a fast typist. My trolling just wasted those minutes, and you will never get them back. How do you feel now dumbass?
And who the hell “owened” me? LOL! You know, all I have been reading as retort to my posts are the same old bullshit like “If you dont have proof then stfu” or “you are a bigot and biased” or “you’re ignorant”, but none of you give me any facts or references. Seriously, back you shit up, give me reasons, solid reasons other than vanity why anyone juices and I’ll give you a cookie. But yeah, sure I could be trolling, but if thats the case, you are one of those stupid little fish that keeps taking the bait and gets tossed back in the water.
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I repeat…
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
what happened to the post i made back on page 5…your reply was “i have read and I have learned…blah blah blah”
rock on brother.
pathetic.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
I repeat…
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
what happened to the post i made back on page 5…your reply was “i have read and I have learned…blah blah blah”
rock on brother.
pathetic.[/quote]
First off, the argument has changed. I accept the reality that there are those who choose to use roids, and that is fine with me, but until I hear some reasons as to what justifies their use I will retain my footing. Just admit that jucers are using purely for vanity, or tell me why else. That is all.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
I repeat…
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
what happened to the post i made back on page 5…your reply was “i have read and I have learned…blah blah blah”
rock on brother.
pathetic.
First off, the argument has changed. I accept the reality that there are those who choose to use roids, and that is fine with me, but until I hear some reasons as to what justifies their use I will retain my footing. Just admit that jucers are using purely for vanity, or tell me why else. That is all.[/quote]
of course vanity has a lot to do with it. people want to attain a certain look, and that look may not be achievable naturally. Many also use it for sporting interests as well, and i do know people who use it so they will be more proficient at their jobs…For example I know guys who work the oil rigs who use, just to keep their bodies working, I also know firemen and policemen who use for work related reasons. So yes vanity would be one reason, however it isn’t the only reason. Many use to be more competitive in sports.
For example I body build, and in that sport it’s use is practically a must if you want to have any success at all.
Keep in mind there are very few sports that are 100 clean and free from performance enhancers.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
I repeat…
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
what happened to the post i made back on page 5…your reply was “i have read and I have learned…blah blah blah”
rock on brother.
pathetic.
First off, the argument has changed. I accept the reality that there are those who choose to use roids, and that is fine with me, but until I hear some reasons as to what justifies their use I will retain my footing. Just admit that jucers are using purely for vanity, or tell me why else. That is all.[/quote]
Why should you give a fook why people use the juice? What business is it of yours? Why should anyone have to justify themselves to a dickhead troll who has watched too many Morgan Spurlock shows.
Some people juice to look better, you can call that vanity if you like, I personally do it to improve my sporting ability, also it will be nice to look in the mirror and see a well defined body, if thats vane then who gives a?
Rainjack, you’re my hero Bro. Keep up the good fight.
The ignorance shown is this thread is eye opening to say the least. These people are probably the types that if they lived in the middle ages would be burning people at the stake for being suspected of witchcraft.
It’s really comical when you read their ignorant responses. They just don’t get it nor will they because they are too closed minded to see it. Kind of like religious zealots telling you if you don’t believe their religion you’re going to hell. Just too narrow-minded to even consider anyone elses views if they differ from their own.
Give em hell bro.
A.B.
I find it interesting that such negative comments come out of the woodwork towards steriods on this thread.
Meanwhile, pro and supportive enhancements articles appear all the time on the front page of this site from T-Nations established authors and everyone shuts up.
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
I repeat…
ONE SIDED SUBJECTIVITY IS PROPAGANDA
what happened to the post i made back on page 5…your reply was “i have read and I have learned…blah blah blah”
rock on brother.
pathetic.
First off, the argument has changed. I accept the reality that there are those who choose to use roids, and that is fine with me, but until I hear some reasons as to what justifies their use I will retain my footing. Just admit that jucers are using purely for vanity, or tell me why else. That is all.
of course vanity has a lot to do with it. people want to attain a certain look, and that look may not be achievable naturally. Many also use it for sporting interests as well, and i do know people who use it so they will be more proficient at their jobs…For example I know guys who work the oil rigs who use, just to keep their bodies working, I also know firemen and policemen who use for work related reasons. So yes vanity would be one reason, however it isn’t the only reason. Many use to be more competitive in sports.
For example I body build, and in that sport it’s use is practically a must if you want to have any success at all.
Keep in mind there are very few sports that are 100 clean and free from performance enhancers.
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I’m glad someone can see some light here, but vanity doesn’t stop with looks. The desire to perform better in sports is also vanity. Anything that is directly tied to ones self immage be it phisical feats or intellectual ones is a form of vanity. I’ll be the first to admit that I am a very vane person. Most people are vane, thats not my point. My point is that anything that people do in life can be done without roids. Those policemen, firemen and oil rig workers that juice for their jobs… Thats actually something I havn’t given much thought, but since most of the cops and firemen I know don’t juice and can perform their job perfectly I will just have to say that’s silly. Anyway thats a start, any other good not vanity related reasons out there?
That’s exactly what I thought. Nobody has anything intellegent to say. Pathetic weak willed worms. This thread is officially condemed. That is all.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
That’s exactly what I thought. Nobody has anything intellegent to say. Pathetic weak willed worms. This thread is officially condemed. That is all.[/quote]
It only took you 15 pages to condemn this fuckstick of a thread? Glad to see your spelling is up to par with your intelligence…YOU FUCKING MORON
fuck I thought it was dead
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
jjay wrote:
David McClay wrote:
jjay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
There’s PLENTY of evidence that obesity taxes the heart and largely contributes to high blood pressue, high cholesterol, diabetes, etc… I am aware of no evidence or studies where they’ve looked at those who weigh a lot due to muscle and low bodyfat with the safe findings. Without those, it’s sheer speculation.
And not logical at that. Why would your heart be working harder if you are in excellent cardiovascular shape and have a top notch diet?
Because these guys arent in excellent cardiovascular shape . You know , your an athlete . How would you perform at 75 lbs over you ideal wieght . I know how I preformed . As far as evidence ? Call me the first to make the comparision .
What is ideal weight? Not what’s on the weight chart. That would probably put a 6footer at 180. A 6footer could be in excellent cardiovascular shape and athletic at 255. I’ve seen it. But I am done with this thread.
What 1 post and your done . I am a 6’er and I was in shape and athletic at 250 lbs . I was also in shape at 180 and there is no comparision ! Now take that extra 70 lbs . Can you tell me that carrying that around for 30 or 40 years is not going to have any negative effect on my life span ?
Why would it? IWhat is it doing to your body? How is it having a detrimental effect on you heart in any way whatsoever? f you can give me any reason why beyond speculation, then maybe I’ll continue the discussion.[/quote]
Just carrying 75 extra pounds for starters . That makes your systems work harded . Just walking up the stairs is more work .
[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
Anyways I just though I would point out that JJay has infact used steroids.
MAG-10 is infact a pretty potent steroid stack, and that is why it is illegal now. The only difference from pro-drugs is their chemical composition outside the body. Inside they are converted and bind at the AR the exact same way that all other AAS does.
Don’t forget the methyl 1 test ! I don’t care who uses or not . If one of my friends that I actually care about was going to use I wouldn’t try that hard to talk them out of it. That’s not the point . I’m saying there not safe . Some of these guys are convinced they are .
[quote]Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:
Kratos wrote:
jjay wrote:
Whatever you say, jjay(or CHEKonIT, Desleepljin, whover you are posting as right now.) You asked how many times Rainjack was gonna use the word bigotry, the answer is probably as long as you guys keep exhibiting it.
I don’t know what that means ?
Explains a lot(you troll).[/quote]
How does that explain alot ? Hey , why don’t you go take some 1/2 naked pictures of yourself flexing in front of a mirror . Then go post them on the internet for a bunch of guys to look at…
Oh , And between you and me , You might want to do somthing with that haircut , You look like a circumsized penis !!!
[quote]jjay wrote:
Don’t forget the methyl 1 test ! I don’t care who uses or not . If one of my friends that I actually care about was going to use I wouldn’t try that hard to talk them out of it. That’s not the point . I’m saying there not safe . Some of these guys are convinced they are .
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Your problem is that you have yet to present a logical reason as to why AAS is unsafe.
Which just lends credance to you being an ignorant bigot. The least you could do is prove me wrong. But you are too busy thinking of a witty retort. Let me save you the effort: You are not witty. You are not logical. You have proven yourself to be a lozy, ignorant bigot.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
jjay wrote:
Don’t forget the methyl 1 test ! I don’t care who uses or not . If one of my friends that I actually care about was going to use I wouldn’t try that hard to talk them out of it. That’s not the point . I’m saying there not safe . Some of these guys are convinced they are .
Your problem is that you have yet to present a logical reason as to why AAS is unsafe.
Which just lends credance to you being an ignorant bigot. The least you could do is prove me wrong. But you are too busy thinking of a witty retort. Let me save you the effort: You are not witty. You are not logical. You have proven yourself to be a lozy, ignorant bigot. [/quote]
What am I racist against steroid users ? Are you a race now . What do you think there is no danger to steroid use ? Have you been on this planet for the last 30 years ? What do you think your taking vitamins ? Do you want me to do a report outlining the dangers of steroid use ? I’m not saying anything outlandish here. Steroids are dangerous …
If you really don’t know that then I don’t know what to say to you . I’ll give you some examples off the top of my head
Hardening of the artieries . Because of adverse effects on cholesterol .
Increased risk of stroke and heart attack. Thats fun !
High blood pressure - Liver damage and liver cancers - Heart disease - Blood clots - Increased risk of ligament and tendon damage - Acne - Baldness and shrunken testicles oh my !
Low sperm count - IMPOTENCE - man boobs - Inlarged prostate - Infertility - Which might be good for you actually , Roid rage , mood swings , hallucinations , anxiety , depression I mean the list goes on and on . What kind of proof do you want ? Studies that I’ve done personally . Studies that have been done in the medicial community . You can find those if you want . Steroid users that have had any of those negative effects ? You can find plenty of those to . It’s not even an arguement .