Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
Come on !
Except for athletic events, I fully believe it’s true. The added boost is only a matter of degree.
Well cheating is not the right word . It’s not a contest . But steroid users and supplement users are hardly on the same level . That’s like saying if you take supplements you should just take steroids .
I’m saying it’s a difference of degree, not kind. An Alpha Male/Methoxy stack might take you farther than you could go without it. Even moreso with prohormones [banned] like MAG-10. Steroids take you that much further. It’s a sliding scale. No one should or shouldn’t do anything. People using any of these choose how much they want to improve their performance. And should be aware of all the risks and disadvantages with each. I think the biggest difference with steroids and legal supplements [except for shitty prohormones that are really designer steroids] is that you can seriously damage yourself with steroids without proper PCT.
Ok , But just to check you for a second.
You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct . [/quote]
Yes, that is true. It’s much less likely but true nonetheless.
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It’s much less likely but true nonetheless.[/quote]
I notice you keep repeating this. Don’t believe that . Even expert doctors don’t know all the dangers of long term use . You might start with good intentions but you get addicted like any other drug . If it is not pysicial it is mental . Not to jump down your throat but it seems like you might be considering doing somthing.
judging by your posts, i figure you’re about 15-16 years old max. if not, i feel sorry for you. grow up and/or fuck off. what a joke.
You must be a pal of the Mayor of Munchkinland. Either that or you occupy the same side of the Bell Curve as he does.
Whichever side of the ‘bell curve’ juice20 is on - I can pretty much promise you it is on the more intelligent, not to mention opposite, side than you will ever be able to occupy.
it must be a sad, empty life when the extent of your verbal lashings consists of gay references and using the term “needle-dick”. Now run along - I think spongebob is about to come on.
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RJ, I agree with you 100%
I don’t think that these guys know what a bell curve is and Juice20 is surely on the smart side of that curve.
judging by your posts, i figure you’re about 15-16 years old max. if not, i feel sorry for you. grow up and/or fuck off. what a joke.
You must be a pal of the Mayor of Munchkinland. Either that or you occupy the same side of the Bell Curve as he does.
Whichever side of the ‘bell curve’ juice20 is on - I can pretty much promise you it is on the more intelligent, not to mention opposite, side than you will ever be able to occupy.
it must be a sad, empty life when the extent of your verbal lashings consists of gay references and using the term “needle-dick”. Now run along - I think spongebob is about to come on.
RJ, I agree with you 100%
I don’t think that these guys know what a bell curve is and Juice20 is surely on the smart side of that curve.
Kids these days.
JW
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How about a bell curve off the side of your giant fucking head !
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Lots of juicers at gyms lie about doing steroids and try to claim that they are “natural.” Then if you get to know them really well, they will admit to “doing a cycle once.” Next comes the admission that they did more than one cycle.
Then after awhile, someone who knows them really well tells you what you knew all along: that they are juicers and have been doing so for many years.
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Good post. I actually do the opposite. I am natural and claim that I am geared up.
So the response is somewhat different to your “I knew all along”. I get heaps of “No way’s” and “Git the fuck out!”
[quote]jjay wrote:
Even expert doctors don’t know all the dangers of long term use .[/quote]
But they have a fair idea through the multitude of studies that they’ve done on the subject. Test has been studied in detail for years, especially by the military, since it was first synthesized in 1935. Of course they’re are dangers, but there are dangers with everything we ingest, from food through to supplements.
Ok , But just to check you for a second.
You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct .
Please expand on this JJay
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Steroids are dangerous . I don’t think you can deny that . Is there a safe way to use ? Maybe . I think that 99% of users don’t have the capability or disipline to use in that way . If they knew what that way was . Can you use short term , experiement and be ok ? Yes . Is that effective or does it have any real benefit ? I don’t think so . Is there any danger to that. Yeah there might be . You ever heard of 1 is to many and a million’s not enough . If this guy decides to do his first cycle with proper Pct where does it go from there ? Any way my comment was for him . I think he understood !
[quote]TONEdef wrote:
jjay wrote:
Even expert doctors don’t know all the dangers of long term use .
But they have a fair idea through the multitude of studies that they’ve done on the subject. Test has been studied in detail for years, especially by the military, since it was first synthesized in 1935. Of course they’re are dangers, but there are dangers with everything we ingest, from food through to supplements.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
greatgro wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
There is evidence to suggest that the bad colesterol is more readily absorbed by our digestive system when the yolk is cooked… Evidence? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Dietary cholesterol is just that cholesterol. There is no good or bad. Cholesterol travels through your body in substances called lipoproteins. Your genetics and diet will determine how much “good” and “bad” cholesterol is in your blood.
judging by your posts, i figure you’re about 15-16 years old max. if not, i feel sorry for you. grow up and/or fuck off. what a joke.
You must be a pal of the Mayor of Munchkinland. Either that or you occupy the same side of the Bell Curve as he does.
Whichever side of the ‘bell curve’ juice20 is on - I can pretty much promise you it is on the more intelligent, not to mention opposite, side than you will ever be able to occupy.
it must be a sad, empty life when the extent of your verbal lashings consists of gay references and using the term “needle-dick”. Now run along - I think spongebob is about to come on.
RJ, I agree with you 100%
I don’t think that these guys know what a bell curve is and Juice20 is surely on the smart side of that curve.
Kids these days.
JW
How about a bell curve off the side of your giant fucking head ![/quote]
You fucking troll punk…why don’t you do us a favor and leave…your lack of respect for others is getting real tired.
Ok , But just to check you for a second.
You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct .
Please expand on this JJay
Steroids are dangerous . I don’t think you can deny that . Is there a safe way to use ? Maybe . I think that 99% of users don’t have the capability or disipline to use in that way . If they knew what that way was . Can you use short term , experiement and be ok ? Yes . Is that effective or does it have any real benefit ? I don’t think so . Is there any danger to that. Yeah there might be . You ever heard of 1 is to many and a million’s not enough . If this guy decides to do his first cycle with proper Pct where does it go from there ? Any way my comment was for him . I think he understood ! [/quote]
Ok cool cheers, I read ‘You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct’
and was worried what MY PROPER PCT might do to me!!
judging by your posts, i figure you’re about 15-16 years old max. if not, i feel sorry for you. grow up and/or fuck off. what a joke.
You must be a pal of the Mayor of Munchkinland. Either that or you occupy the same side of the Bell Curve as he does.
Whichever side of the ‘bell curve’ juice20 is on - I can pretty much promise you it is on the more intelligent, not to mention opposite, side than you will ever be able to occupy.
it must be a sad, empty life when the extent of your verbal lashings consists of gay references and using the term “needle-dick”. Now run along - I think spongebob is about to come on.
RJ, I agree with you 100%
I don’t think that these guys know what a bell curve is and Juice20 is surely on the smart side of that curve.
Kids these days.
JW
How about a bell curve off the side of your giant fucking head !
You fucking troll punk…why don’t you do us a favor and leave…your lack of respect for others is getting real tired.
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Yeah but it was alright when you called me a dumbass in p#22’s thread right !
Ok , But just to check you for a second.
You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct .
Please expand on this JJay
Steroids are dangerous . I don’t think you can deny that . Is there a safe way to use ? Maybe . I think that 99% of users don’t have the capability or disipline to use in that way . If they knew what that way was . Can you use short term , experiement and be ok ? Yes . Is that effective or does it have any real benefit ? I don’t think so . Is there any danger to that. Yeah there might be . You ever heard of 1 is to many and a million’s not enough . If this guy decides to do his first cycle with proper Pct where does it go from there ? Any way my comment was for him . I think he understood !
Ok cool cheers, I read ‘You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct’
and was worried what MY PROPER PCT might do to me!![/quote]
I don’t know what your pct is but I think you should look it up on medicial sites . They tell you the things that bodybuilding boards leave out . All I know is that when I looked up tamoxafin I was shocked ! At least this way you know what’s really good .
[quote]jjay wrote:
Steroids are dangerous . I don’t think you can deny that . Is there a safe way to use ? Maybe . I think that 99% of users don’t have the capability or disipline to use in that way . If they knew what that way was . Can you use short term , experiement and be ok ? Yes . Is that effective or does it have any real benefit ? I don’t think so . Is there any danger to that. Yeah there might be . You ever heard of 1 is to many and a million’s not enough . If this guy decides to do his first cycle with proper Pct where does it go from there ? Any way my comment was for him . I think he understood ! [/quote]
I think you have some reasonable ideas here. I agree, steroids can be dangerous.
So can lifting weights.
I do agree also that it can be very difficult to use anabolics in a sane and intelligent manner.
So can lifting weights.
It is my opinion that steroids improve your life and can actually improve your health, both mentally and physically. I’ll say it loud and proud: I love steroids! I love 'em, I love 'em, I love 'em!!
I do respect your opinion however, with respect to those who do decide to use. Believe it or not, I too thought somewhat like you in this regard.
One thing about steroids that gives me reason to oppose their use, is the fact that once you stop them, beit sane use or abuse, whatever gains you had while using them, you lose.
Its funny to see juicers fluctuate in size and strength, as they loose their supplier or cant afford a cycle this month. I figure, why bother. Unless you can afford to continue using till you quit training. What about old juicers? Are there any 50+ year old juicers that are still hitting the gym hard? Just curious.
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
One thing about steroids that gives me reason to oppose their use, is the fact that once you stop them, beit sane use or abuse, whatever gains you had while using them, you lose.
Its funny to see juicers fluctuate in size and strength, as they loose their supplier or cant afford a cycle this month. I figure, why bother. Unless you can afford to continue using till you quit training. What about old juicers? Are there any 50+ year old juicers that are still hitting the gym hard? Just curious. [/quote]
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
One thing about steroids that gives me reason to oppose their use, is the fact that once you stop them, beit sane use or abuse, whatever gains you had while using them, you lose.
Its funny to see juicers fluctuate in size and strength, as they loose their supplier or cant afford a cycle this month. I figure, why bother. Unless you can afford to continue using till you quit training. What about old juicers? Are there any 50+ year old juicers that are still hitting the gym hard? Just curious. [/quote]
you seriously need to stop talking so much bullshit, you really are making yourself look like a complete and utter clown who has not got a clue what he is talking about
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
jjay wrote:
Steroids are dangerous . I don’t think you can deny that . Is there a safe way to use ? Maybe . I think that 99% of users don’t have the capability or disipline to use in that way . If they knew what that way was . Can you use short term , experiement and be ok ? Yes . Is that effective or does it have any real benefit ? I don’t think so . Is there any danger to that. Yeah there might be . You ever heard of 1 is to many and a million’s not enough . If this guy decides to do his first cycle with proper Pct where does it go from there ? Any way my comment was for him . I think he understood !
I think you have some reasonable ideas here. I agree, steroids can be dangerous.
So can lifting weights.
I do agree also that it can be very difficult to use anabolics in a sane and intelligent manner.
So can lifting weights.
It is my opinion that steroids improve your life and can actually improve your health, both mentally and physically. I’ll say it loud and proud: I love steroids! I love 'em, I love 'em, I love 'em!!
I do respect your opinion however, with respect to those who do decide to use. Believe it or not, I too thought somewhat like you in this regard.
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Belive me buffsamuri , If I used I am positive I would Love them to !!!