I think it is no one else’s business what other people in the gym do or what they are on. But the only thing that annoys me is when these people that stick needles in their ass act like they actually know what they are doing.
Ok I know people on this site actually know what they are doing, but that is not at all the norm. You know, the whole “oh, you dont know what your doing, this is what you have to do” Bullshit. Its fine if people take steroids, but just dont act like it is natural, and you are just a super-bad ass for being as jacked as you are. Have some humility.
And again I know this isnt every juicer, but alot of the livestock I know are like that.
[quote]hardcorps wrote:
I have continually stated that I feel it is an artificial means to gaining strength. What more do I need to say? That’s it. And just because I state my opinion doesn’t mean that I am imposing it on you. You of all people should know that, rainjack. Your a Texan, for Christs sake.[/quote]
I have personally never used, partly because I haven’t needed to yet to reach current goals, partly because I don’t relish the thought of injecting, and partly because of the requisite comprehensive and well-planned PCT and potential for mistakes.
But I’ve done a lot of research and investigation. And let me ask you this-do you use any supplements? If so, why is that any less ‘cheating’ than steroid use? Things like Alpha Male accomplish the same thing. The only differences are that they are legal and that their is more risk and potential complications with steorids [but not that much with proper approach to PCT and knowledge] but a greater return when paired with proper diet and training as compared to legal supplements.
Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
[quote]hardcorps wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
I don’t use whey protein because it’s a waste of money. There are better sources of protein than that for less. For instance, I drink ten eggs a day.
10 eggs a day? Are you the chloresterol kid or what? Do you know how much fat and chloresterol is in those 10 eggs and how much protein? Look it up.
I buy my protein from Optimum Nutrition. The big bag gives me 24 grams of protein at about 33 cents a serving; if I add skim milk to it I get even more protein.
They’re raw. Raw fat is very beneficial and not bad for you.
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Please explain why it’s any different at all than cooked. Any you don’t get very much protein considering the amount of calories in those eggs. Fat’s not the enemy and this is fine if it’s part of your overall diet plan. But many would choose to get the equivalent amount of protein in a scoop or two of protein powder or through egg whites.
the only thing I know of is if you use rancid cooking oil which is apparently pretty unhealthy, (obviously), but I dont think the fat in food products can be heated to that extent with the food product still being edible…
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
And let me ask you this-do you use any supplements? If so, why is that any less ‘cheating’ than steroid use? Things like Alpha Male accomplish the same thing. The only differences are that they are legal and that their is more risk and potential complications with steorids [but not that much with proper approach to PCT and knowledge] but a greater return when paired with proper diet and training as compared to legal supplements.
Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
You are wasting your time JSB, hardcorps does not enter into argument. He simply states his ‘moral’ position, that is all. I’m not sure why he won’t (or can’t) back up his opinion with discussion, but I have tried to draw him out several times, to be met with blanks basically…[/quote]
But Why? Why not just take pride in what you can achive without artificial enhancement? Why not set more naturally attainable goals?
Eggwhites and cooking… There’s a protien in eggwhites called Adavin, I think… Well, Its not spelled like that but anyway, it binds to biotin making it un-absorbable to our systems. When you cook a yolk to the point that it’s no longer runny, the biotin is essentially degraded to nearly useless.
There is evidence to suggest that the bad colesterol is more readily absorbed by our digestive system when the yolk is cooked… If you eat raw eggs on a regular basis, you will become biotin deficient as the adavin?? is binding to the biotin along the way as it travels through our intestines.
Eat your eggs sunny side up, over easy or poached. Problem solved.
Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
Come on !
Except for athletic events, I fully believe it’s true. The added boost is only a matter of degree.[/quote]
Well cheating is not the right word . It’s not a contest . But steroid users and supplement users are hardly on the same level . That’s like saying if you take supplements you should just take steroids .
Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
Come on !
Except for athletic events, I fully believe it’s true. The added boost is only a matter of degree.
Well cheating is not the right word . It’s not a contest . But steroid users and supplement users are hardly on the same level . That’s like saying if you take supplements you should just take steroids .[/quote]
I’m saying it’s a difference of degree, not kind. An Alpha Male/Methoxy stack might take you farther than you could go without it. Even moreso with prohormones [banned] like MAG-10. Steroids take you that much further. It’s a sliding scale. No one should or shouldn’t do anything. People using any of these choose how much they want to improve their performance. And should be aware of all the risks and disadvantages with each. I think the biggest difference with steroids and legal supplements [except for shitty prohormones that are really designer steroids] is that you can seriously damage yourself with steroids without proper PCT.
Anybody that uses proprietary supplements and does more than eat right and lift hard has no cause to call steroid use cheating.
Come on !
Except for athletic events, I fully believe it’s true. The added boost is only a matter of degree.
Well cheating is not the right word . It’s not a contest . But steroid users and supplement users are hardly on the same level . That’s like saying if you take supplements you should just take steroids .
I’m saying it’s a difference of degree, not kind. An Alpha Male/Methoxy stack might take you farther than you could go without it. Even moreso with prohormones [banned] like MAG-10. Steroids take you that much further. It’s a sliding scale. No one should or shouldn’t do anything. People using any of these choose how much they want to improve their performance. And should be aware of all the risks and disadvantages with each. I think the biggest difference with steroids and legal supplements [except for shitty prohormones that are really designer steroids] is that you can seriously damage yourself with steroids without proper PCT.
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Ok , But just to check you for a second.
You can seriously damage yourself with proper pct .
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually, naturally occuring ‘cis’ fats such as olive oil and sunflour oil, can be turned into ‘trans’ fats by heating. Trans fats are ‘bad’ because they are less kinked, allowing more efficient packing along the walls of arteries…[/quote]
First of all, it takes high heat to create trans fats. And what are you talking about? Trans fats do have a different configuration (trans vs cis) but they are bad b/c they are biologically inactive or dead. The body uses them like they were cis fats only they’re not. And chemically they don’t act like cis fats. So when these fats are incorporated in the body, they don’t do the jobs they need to do like the cis fats would. This basically makes your body run abnormally causing high cholesterol, high blood pressure, immune system dysfunctions, etc…
[quote]Roargathor wrote:
There is evidence to suggest that the bad colesterol is more readily absorbed by our digestive system when the yolk is cooked… [/quote] Evidence? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Dietary cholesterol is just that cholesterol. There is no good or bad. Cholesterol travels through your body in substances called lipoproteins. Your genetics and diet will determine how much “good” and “bad” cholesterol is in your blood.
[quote]greatgro wrote:
Roargathor wrote:
There is evidence to suggest that the bad colesterol is more readily absorbed by our digestive system when the yolk is cooked… Evidence? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Dietary cholesterol is just that cholesterol. There is no good or bad. Cholesterol travels through your body in substances called lipoproteins. Your genetics and diet will determine how much “good” and “bad” cholesterol is in your blood.
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