Juicers and Lying

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[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Correlation doesn’t equal causation (sp?). But you are correct, I simply see it as something to keep an eye on more then the average person would. Also certain aas are more prone to bothering your prostrate then others. The older you get the more you might wanna avoid them.

Anyone wanna try the other question. BTW, thankyou for your civil responce J.[/quote]

Did you know that anti-prostate cancer drugs actuallyt inhibit testosterone production?

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Prostate_cancer_and_hormone_therapy?OpenDocument

The correlation between the two is pretty strong:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press_releases/2004/05_11b_04.html

Now what do you suppose pushing your test levels way beyond your natural ones does for your risk of prostate cancer?

This is not even taking into effect the increased wear and tear on your other organs like your poor liver and kidneys or the kind of chemical garbage that you might get in your product from “undeground” labs.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
I think making yourself stronger or bigger by artificial means is a lie. Just my opinion. Now, I know that this forum has a lot of people who do roids in it. So, I know that a lot of people will have their little conniption over what I have written.

Bushidokan Bad Boy

No conniptions here fella. I don’t mind what you think about steroid users, but surely you realise the ridiculousness of your statement: “I think that making yourself bigger or stronger by artificial maens is a lie.” Ever used a machine/dumbell/treadmill/creatine/protein, etc, etc, etc…??? I know the answer MUST be yes, yet all of these things are artificial, therefore YOU SIR are LIVING A LIE. Well done, your hippocrasy and ignorance are truly monumental, hahahaha.

Wow!! You just turned me inside out. Your reasoning is so crisp. You’re as sharp as a marble.
P.S. It’s means, not maens.

Excellent response there! Not a word said to refute my point that you are hypocrytical and ignorant. I guess that means (or maens if you prefer, haha) you agree with me. Otherwise you might at least offer some sort of cogent argument to back up your point…[/quote]

I don’t agree with you at all. I have already made my point. I simply reject the premise of your argument all together. Saying that I am hypocritical and ignorant when you don’t even know me is not a “point.” It’s a baseless conclusion. Your point has no point. It’s not even slightly clever. If you don’t understand what I mean by artificial, I’m not going to waste my time explaining it to you. Yes I lift weights(something you find artificial), but I’m not going to take roids in order to make it easier.

P.S. It’s hypocritical, not hypocrytical.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
ERRR, RJ, I think you got your quotes mixed up… It was Roargathoar who was spouting on, not Cadav. Cadav’s cool in my book :slight_smile: His quote about “It is better to live one day as a lion that 100years as a sheep” rocks![/quote]

Thanks bushidobadboy :wink:

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:

Now what do you suppose pushing your test levels way beyond your natural ones does for your risk of prostate cancer?

This is not even taking into effect the increased wear and tear on your other organs like your poor liver and kidneys or the kind of chemical garbage that you might get in your product from “undeground” labs.

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so? which is rhe point? is your kidney? your liver? your prostata?

i don’t understand that part of your logic…

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It’s all of them I’m pretty sure. Still I’d like to see some actual evidence of these risks becoming a problem with aas users as they age. I have yet to see any. I am also aware of certain prostrate drugs interaction with test. Personally I’d rather stick to otc products like saw palmetto, pygeum (sp?) pumpkin seed and a few other things. Still if it becomes an issue as I age then I’d likey use things like proscar when I’m off cycle and the other otc things when I’m on.

Corps any chance of you answering my question?

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[quote]WideGuy wrote:
It’s all of them I’m pretty sure. Still I’d like to see some actual evidence of these risks becoming a problem with aas users as they age. I have yet to see any. I am also aware of certain prostrate drugs interaction with test. Personally I’d rather stick to otc products like saw palmetto, pygeum (sp?) pumpkin seed and a few other things. Still if it becomes an issue as I age then I’d likey use things like proscar when I’m off cycle and the other otc things when I’m on.

Corps any chance of you answering my question?[/quote]

If the drugs aren’t FDA approved then their won’t be any in-vitro studies performed on them. In this case, you will be a guinea pig. Also many herbal remedies haven’t been scientifically determined to do anything using things like double blind studies. Just something to think about.

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Whey protein? I don’t take that crap either. However, the fact that you compare it to roids makes me think that you can’t see the forest on account of the trees. Look, you clearly are convinced that it is okay to juice. I don’t. I think that if you can’t move a weight, and then inject a cycle of something synthetic, and then can lift the weight, that’s wrong and unnatural. That’s it. Done.

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So, hardcorps, no whey protein(ground from the hooves of Lucifer himself), I guess you wouldn’t even take anti-biotics if you needed them either, I mean they are synthetic substances. Your arguments are not making much sense.

 OK, on the fake tits thing, that's not a really effective analogy.  Muscles built with gear move like non-enhaced muscles, look like them, and don't have foreign objects lodged in them.  Implants don't feel like normal tits, move, or sometimes even look like normal tits.  Now not looking like them can be good or bad, depending on the situation and the surgeon.  In any case, I will suck just as hard on bolt-ons as I would OEM hooters, I just don't think it's a good analogy.
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I know this was mentioned before, and immediately dismissed by hardcorps’ “logic”, but the fact remains that lifting, running, protein powder, Power Drive, steroids, or whatever else fits into that category are all means towards the end of increasing physical appearance and/or perfomance. None of them constitute “cheating” unless you’re doing them in a situation where they’ve been defined as such.

In cases like Caeser’s, where someone thinks that steroids may be unhealthy and chooses not to use them, then that’s reasonable. It’s also reasonable for somebody else to decide that the payoff is worth the risk. But they are illegal, so if somebody doesn’t trust you, there’s no reason for them to tell you about it, or even give an ambiguous “none of your business”. A straight out lie is the only way to ensure the continued virginity of their ass.

In the case of hardcorps, though, there doesn’t seem to be any reason involved. You’ve drawn the line more or less arbitrarily as to what is legit and what isn’t. If a swimmer gets stuck at a certain best time, then shaves his head, legs and chest and beats that mark, is he cheating? He got better without practice, exercise, or any of the things you seem to think are “allowed”. The answer is that of course he isn’t cheating. He just found a better way to work towards his goals.

If somebody is lifting hard and eating right already, then steroids are just a way to improve on the good that comes of these things.

Of course, hardcorps, I know you consider 'roids “artificial”, and you said before that if someone doesn’t understand what you mean by that, you won’t bother to explain it. You’ve regurgitated propaganda for the last several pages of this thread, if you’ve got a reasonable definition of artificial, why is it such a “bother” to let everyone in on it?

Just sayin’ is all.

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I think the thing that bothers guys who never took steriods is seeing the ones who take them in the gym get all the attention. You would hear comments like man he must really work hard to look like that. Granted some of these guys do work at it hard, but they have a unfair advantage over the natural bodybuilder.

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I don’t use whey protein because it’s a waste of money. There are better sources of protein than that for less. For instance, I drink ten eggs a day. As for the comment by Bushido that I would burn witches, it seems that you are burning me for my opinion and belief. Calling me bigoted because of my thoughts on STERIODS? Give me a break.

P.S. Dude, you have to get a new keyboard and spell check. My abs are sore from laughing. Not because you can’t spell, but because I can imagine you picking up your keyboard and wanting to throw it through the wall(roid rage-JUST KIDDING)because you just made a mistake and can’t fix it. I then see you composing yourself, setting it down, and continuing on because it’s the only keyboard you have.

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[quote]cadav wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
ERRR, RJ, I think you got your quotes mixed up… It was Roargathoar who was spouting on, not Cadav. Cadav’s cool in my book :slight_smile: His quote about “It is better to live one day as a lion that 100years as a sheep” rocks!

Thanks bushidobadboy ;)[/quote]

Sorry Cadav. I thought it was apparent who I was bitching at. I was just too lazy to find the original post, and used yours instead.

Sorry if it looked like I was going after you. I wasn’t. I was just lazy.

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Opinions with no basis in fact is what they call ignorance.

Hardon is proof of that. He has no clue about that which he hates. He hates based soley on his fear and dislike.

Him and the rest of the anti-aas lunkheads on this thread prove their ignorance everytime they post. No logical support for their positions - not one open mind amongst them.

I think the KKK had leadership just like these guys. Ignorant, lazy, and stupid.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Sorry if it looked like I was going after you. I wasn’t. I was just lazy. [/quote]

Don’t worry :wink: