[quote]hardcorps wrote:
They lie because being on roids is a lie to begin with.[/quote]
That has to be the gayest thing I’ve ever heard.
[quote]hardcorps wrote:
They lie because being on roids is a lie to begin with.[/quote]
Hmmm… are you jjay’s brother by any chance?
They lie because being on roids is a lie to begin with.
It’s a lie if you are going around saying you don’t do them and you are on em. It’s living a lie.
I think making yourself stronger or bigger by artificial means is a lie. Just my opinion. Now, I know that this forum has a lot of people who do roids in it. So, I know that a lot of people will have their little conniption over what I have written.
Bushidokan Bad Boy
[quote]Cartman8675 wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
They lie because being on roids is a lie to begin with.
That has to be the gayest thing I’ve ever heard. [/quote]
Get a grip. It’s the gayest thing that you have ever “read.” How can you hear something that I wrote? Tell the truth. You read out loud, don’t you?
They really need to come up with a roid that will make a persons brain grow.
Oh, I forgot, they already did. But wait, that’s not more brains, that’s a tumor.
Wait until you “hear” this.
How do you drown a bodybuilder?
Put a mirror on the bottom of a swimming pool.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
I am more than happy to call BS on the guys shooting up in the bathroom come on guys FFS I have used gyms that I know for sure at least 20 guys that are in there almost every day I know these guys juice, but they dont do it down the gym FFS.
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I heard about the shooting gallery from the owner of my gym. I don’t see what is so hard to believe about it. After all, gyms are where the guys usually get the stuff in the first place, and I have seen that too. So if they get their drugs there, what is so hard to believe about them trying them out in the bathroom?
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
I am also confident on calling BS when Julie claimed to be able to deadlift over 415, I really do not think that someone with a serious inferiority complex that spends most of his time down his ‘hardcore’ gym worrying about what other people get up too.[/quote]
I hardly “worry” about steroid usage. As for deadlifting 415, I can do that no problem.
[quote]electric_eales wrote:
Julie (this is your new nickname by the way) you have an unhealthy obsession with other men and their phalus’s and I think the almost fanatical obsession with other men injecting themselves stems from some kind of early childhood memory of when you were bent over and injected in the ass, most probably by your uncle nobby.
If you hate it so much I suggest getting the following text printed onto to a tshirt and wearing it down your gym:
I HATE AAS USERS YOU ARE ALL NEEDLEDICK LIARS, GAY CUNTS AND CHEATS
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And what would happen next if you and a crew of rasin nuts saw me in the gym with this shirt on? Let me guess, they would take me into the bathroom, rough me up and take turns repeatedly sodomizing me with their needledicks?
I heard about the shooting gallery from the owner of my gym. I don’t see what is so hard to believe about it. After all, gyms are where the guys usually get the stuff in the first place, and I have seen that too. So if they get their drugs there, what is so hard to believe about them trying them out in the bathroom? Do you even work out in a gym?
[quote]celibrate2047 wrote:
Actually, I never said what your specific problem was with. What I noticed was how suddenly your attitude changed at the same time the other troll’s attitude changed. Maybe you’re the one that needs comprehension classes.
And I suppose that you never lie. I suppose you never embelish the truth. I also assume that you outright tell people that you think are juicing how you feel rather than just on a public forum where you aren’t face-to-face with others?[/quote]
I wouldn’t do something that required my life to be a total lie. If you claim to be Mr. Natural Strongman and boast about it at the gym, when in fact you are Mr. Average Strength Steroid Abuser, then YOU are living a lie and are FULL OF SHIT.
If you lie because you don’t want to go to prison and become someone’s ass puppet, then I can see that.
I also support making them legal because at least then you could get things manufactured by pharmacetical companies instead of by some “undeground” lab.
(In Napoleon Dynamite voice):
[quote]hardcorps wrote:
Get a grip. It’s the gayest thing that you have ever “read.” How can you hear something that I wrote? Tell the truth. You read out loud, don’t you?
They really need to come up with a roid that will make a persons brain grow.
Oh, I forgot, they already did. But wait, that’s not more brains, that’s a tumor.
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God! You freakin’ idiot!
So if they where legal then you’d do them?
BTW, this post is so chalked full of opinionated bullshit I pretty much had to stay off of it to avoid being sucked into the vortex of mental masturbation that’s taking place here. An “opinion” while nice to have and being something everyone has the right to does not warrant solid grounds for an arguement. Well let me restate that, it should not warrant solid grounds for an arguement. Unfortunatley our society is filled with whiny cunts who have nothing better to do then voice there opinion and “wage war” on every little thing they can think of in order to appear as thought they have a life. Here we have a perfect illustration of that.
Aside from my original question to Julie, I’d like to know one thing from those who feel like using AAS is wrong. Why do you give a shit? To elaborate further, can you tell me what negative impact it has on you life or the life of anyone else? For what reason do you feel so pissed if someone you dont’ know that well or maybe someone who doesn’t like you enough to tell you, decides not to share their secret with you? I really do not understand?
I read things like “recreational steroid use is running rampant”. Really? Well that would also mean that the number of people lifting is running rampant. That’s kinda a good thing, no? Also, while it might be a stretch, we all know you can’t build a house without any bricks so most likely the number of people eating regularly and in some case (can we maybe say 1/2) the number of people learning how to eat RIGHT and train RIGHT is running rampant. Yes there will always be the stupid fucks who will take too much, eat like shit, and not learn a thing(just look at the amount of people you see outside the gym that fit this criteria). HOWEVER, the reason you’re probably getting so much “Suck my dick” attitude here is because 99% of us here aren’t in that later category.
BTW, while I’m sure jjay will not be able to control himself and make some mindless comment in responce. Could the guys who where actually using there brains in this conversation please refrain from getting all shitty with your responce. I kept out of this conversation as the typical name calling and juvenile (spelt that wrong for sure lol) wasnt’ really where I wanted to take it. In other words, let’s fight nice guys:-)
I’ve read through this thread and I have to say I’ve read some ignorant shit on this board many times in the past, but this thread has some of the dumbest most ill informed people I’ve yet to come across on T-Nation yet replying here regarding AAS.
You are entitled to have an opinion on the use of AAS either for or against. However if you are going to condemn a group of people for making a choice to use AAS do it from a position of knowledge not hype and supposition. That’s the kind of crap the hysterical inaccurate media does. They go for the hype and sensationalism and ill informed, uninitiated people believe and swallow their horse shit without doing even a little research on their own from independent sources.
Now regarding the comment on the “Shooting Gallery”. I have been training for nearly 35 yrs at gyms of all kinds around the nation and have never witnessed anyone shooting a substance either in themselves or others in a public locker room at a commercial gym. This is urban legend.
I have a brother who is a pro bodybuilder and he and I have trained together off and on for over 25 yrs. I have witnessed and even given him and friends steroid injections but never in any public place.
Steroids are schedule III drugs. Which means they are very illegal without a script. Why would anyone want to risk potentially serious jail time over something so stupid? Steroids are not like cocaine or weed where you might be inclined to try it on the spot to check its potency. You don’t get an immediate response from them. Give me a fucking break, lol. That only shows the ignorance. And this gym owner/manager is just feeding your stupidity and probably snickering the whole time at what a boob you are.
So please before you make a bigger jackass out of yourself do just a little research before making such ignorant statements.
[quote]FCFighter wrote:
(In Napoleon Dynamite voice):
hardcorps wrote:
Get a grip. It’s the gayest thing that you have ever “read.” How can you hear something that I wrote? Tell the truth. You read out loud, don’t you?
They really need to come up with a roid that will make a persons brain grow.
Oh, I forgot, they already did. But wait, that’s not more brains, that’s a tumor.
God! You freakin’ idiot!
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I can’t believe you people are resorting to name calling. Especially you, FCFister.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
I think making yourself stronger or bigger by artificial means is a lie. Just my opinion. Now, I know that this forum has a lot of people who do roids in it. So, I know that a lot of people will have their little conniption over what I have written.
Bushidokan Bad Boy
No conniptions here fella. I don’t mind what you think about steroid users, but surely you realise the ridiculousness of your statement: “I think that making yourself bigger or stronger by artificial maens is a lie.” Ever used a machine/dumbell/treadmill/creatine/protein, etc, etc, etc…??? I know the answer MUST be yes, yet all of these things are artificial, therefore YOU SIR are LIVING A LIE. Well done, your hippocrasy and ignorance are truly monumental, hahahaha.[/quote]
Wow!! You just turned me inside out. Your reasoning is so crisp. You’re as sharp as a marble.
P.S. It’s means, not maens.
[quote]WideGuy wrote:
So if they where legal then you’d do them?
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I probably wouldn’t do them because I a) wouldn’t want to add another cancer risk in my life (I work with chemicals now…) There is a correlation between high test rates and prostate cancer for men, this is not to mention the other possible health problems/side effects of doing them and b) because I hate needles.
Now if I was in my 50’s or so I might consider test replacement therapy. MIGHT.
So Julie you first complianed that ‘juicers’ are turning your gym bathroom into a shooting gallery, now you tell us that you got this information second hand and have actually never witnessed anyone doing it, so if someone tells you a story you get all upset about it and use that story as an excuse to come on here and start bitchin?
Get a life you fucking 16 year old retard, nobody gives a fuck about your opinions, and you are just making a bigger cunt of yourself with each and every post submitted
Correlation doesn’t equal causation (sp?). But you are correct, I simply see it as something to keep an eye on more then the average person would. Also certain aas are more prone to bothering your prostrate then others. The older you get the more you might wanna avoid them.
Anyone wanna try the other question. BTW, thankyou for your civil responce J.
Jesus Christ has this gotten out of hand!!! Steroids, artifical???
I take this is the crowd that think fake tits arent real???.. If I can touch it and put it in my mouth isnt that real???
If you can squat, bench, deadlift, power clean, or have 50 extra pounds of muscle at 8% bodyfat with it… whats not real?
[quote]hardcorps wrote:
FCFighter wrote:
(In Napoleon Dynamite voice):
hardcorps wrote:
Get a grip. It’s the gayest thing that you have ever “read.” How can you hear something that I wrote? Tell the truth. You read out loud, don’t you?
They really need to come up with a roid that will make a persons brain grow.
Oh, I forgot, they already did. But wait, that’s not more brains, that’s a tumor.
God! You freakin’ idiot!
I can’t believe you people are resorting to name calling. Especially you, FCFister.
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Oh, Jesus. I can’t believe I’m even going to respond to this, but…
Yeh, that was probably pretty juvenile of me. But then you turn right around and do the same thing.
It’s just the logic you guys are using doesn’t make sense. What if someone asks you if you fuck your wife in the ass? Are you gonna tell them? Well nobody would blame you if you didn’t because IT’S NONE OF THEIR GODDAMN BUSINESS! See the correlation?
[quote]FCFighter wrote:
hardcorps wrote:
FCFighter wrote:
(In Napoleon Dynamite voice):
hardcorps wrote:
Get a grip. It’s the gayest thing that you have ever “read.” How can you hear something that I wrote? Tell the truth. You read out loud, don’t you?
They really need to come up with a roid that will make a persons brain grow.
Oh, I forgot, they already did. But wait, that’s not more brains, that’s a tumor.
God! You freakin’ idiot!
I can’t believe you people are resorting to name calling. Especially you, FCFister.
Oh, Jesus. I can’t believe I’m even going to respond to this, but…
Yeh, that was probably pretty juvenile of me. But then you turn right around and do the same thing.
It’s just the logic you guys are using doesn’t make sense. What if someone asks you if you fuck your wife in the ass? Are you gonna tell them? Well nobody would blame you if you didn’t because IT’S NONE OF THEIR GODDAMN BUSINESS! See the correlation?[/quote]
I actually do see the correlation there. I’m just stating my opinion on the usage of roids. I can’t imagine going up to a guy in the gym and ASKING him if he uses. I mean, who’s the egghead that does that. In response, I feel, that the other person should either tell the truth, or more appropiately, tell them that it is none of their business.
So we agree on that point.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
Jesus Christ has this gotten out of hand!!! Steroids, artifical???
I take this is the crowd that think fake tits arent real???.. If I can touch it and put it in my mouth isnt that real???
If you can squat, bench, deadlift, power clean, or have 50 extra pounds of muscle at 8% bodyfat with it… whats not real?[/quote]
BINGO! You nailed it. I was just about to add that to my response about enhanced breasts. Even a woman wearing makeup, stockings, a hair piece, cosmetic surgery, lipo suction, gastric bypass, and the list of enhancements go on and on.
Also remember, taking steroids doesn’t automatically guarantee results. You still have to train hard, get proper nutrition and recovery if you want to derive any benefit from them.
And just like the earlier mentioned enhancements, steroids are no different you can always take it to extremes. We’ve all seen what happens when people have too much cosmetic surgery, lipo, breast implants that are way too large, women who wear too much makeup, etc. If you do any of the above common sense has to play a role.
IMHO it’s all about risk vs reward. All of these procedures can have risks. If you understand that and make an informed decision and decide to go with your plans then all power to you. “Judge lest ye be judged”.