[quote]dayoff wrote:
He’s only has one rear delt exercise on one of his programs. All others lack any rotator work.
Why would I spend money buying a routine that he stole from Ed Coan.
I don’t want to get strong on a continuing basis. I want to get strong as possible as quickly as possible.
Keep on doing 5/3/1 others will gain more strength and remain injury free. Maxing out for reps is the leading cause of injuries
Don’t you realize everyone on elitefts comes out with a book once they post a log there Wendler,Bryant,Smith,now Pulcinella has his book
Pulcinella’s current routine is based on a Coan split too.
Let me ask you this question. Besides Scott Yard who has set a powerlifting record using 5/3/1?[/quote]
And you’re an imbecile. His assistance work is very balanced, and even if it wasn’t it’s flexible enough that you can make it balanced. The only people I’ve ever heard complain about 5/3/1 don’t follow it correctly or prefer something else so they ignorantly bash 5/3/1.
I don’t even like 5/3/1 because I’m not a fan of highish rep all out sets. I prefer sticking somewhat closely to Prilepin’s table myself for the main work, but his training philosophy is solid. Jim Wendler’s 5/3/1 isn’t just a do these exercises for these rep schemes, it’s a lot more. One would know this if they read his book.
Look at his training log, him trying out the conjugate system is relatively new and this total was set before that. Also 5/3/1 is a relatively new program, so comparing it to other programs that have produced more elite lifters but have been around for decades is simply unfair.
wow. more pointless nit picking and bitching. If you dont like a routine, dont fucking do it. Different routines work for different people at different times.
What fucking high horse do you come in on? Wendler gives good advice, and markets a product to SELL, like any other business person.
I have made good gains on it, and totaled ELITE, raw. I dont feel it is working for me any more after 2 years, so I will go back to some Bill Starr stuff.
Stop majoring in the minors and go fucking lift instead of bitching.
[quote]666Rich wrote:
wow. more pointless nit picking and bitching. If you dont like a routine, dont fucking do it. Different routines work for different people at different times.
What fucking high horse do you come in on? Wendler gives good advice, and markets a product to SELL, like any other business person.
I have made good gains on it, and totaled ELITE, raw. I dont feel it is working for me any more after 2 years, so I will go back to some Bill Starr stuff.
Stop majoring in the minors and go fucking lift instead of bitching.[/quote]
Do you have proof.that you have totalled elite using 531?
June 30 American Challange Ft. Washington PA. Look at 165lb class, Rich Campbell.
Here is me hitting a 501 lb squat at 172lbs bw.
Here is my deadlift (578lbs)from the single lift meet as well.
I am not trying to say I am the best ever. But 5-3-1 got me there, and more people should really just shut up and train rather than saying so and so doesnt work. It may not work for THEM, but different strokes for different folks.
Are all great books. Those books are not written for a 1 size fits all. They are written to educate the lifters to build a routine to fit there specific sport.
After you’ve been training and reading for a few years it’s rare to get more than a a few new ideas out of most training books. I still think they are worth getting.
Anyone any more thoughts on whether 2.0 is worth buying if you already have the first one? I bought TJM and was pretty disappointed; aside from anything else it didn’t come across as well-written at all. Maybe I’m being snobbish, but I found it unclear. It needed to have someone that had no experience of it go through it and make it easier to work out. 5/3/1 (all variants) are as clear as a bell. Having finally figured it out I’m running it for BP as my bench has stalled after 2 successful cycles on 5/3/1. Liking the higher reps so far (8s Intensification phase), but we’ll see the progress in 3 months.
Do NOT buy the Kindle version of TJM. There has been no effort to correctly format it so tables or percentages etc are meaningless.
Both the 5/3/1 and JTS training methodologies are good.
Now the JTS method gets a little confusing on the explanation of Big Training Max to Training Max and calculating out the new max after your rep out - would have been easier if he said just keep using 95% of your projected Max at that weight you repped out with to calculate after each block is over. IMO
JTS 2.0 have not received yet so no comment on.
Foe powerlifters sure there might be better Peaking routines out there but these are great base builders. The general public with so much information nowadays gets all confused on how to set up a routine as it is, these are great them as well to learn how to set up a program based on big compund lifts. Much better than the standard Bro-routine of 1 muscle-muscle-worked-A-day you see in the gyms.
Wendler states and his program reflects this and that strength is built over time and with continued progression.
June 30 American Challange Ft. Washington PA. Look at 165lb class, Rich Campbell.
Here is me hitting a 501 lb squat at 172lbs bw.
Here is my deadlift (578lbs)from the single lift meet as well.
I am not trying to say I am the best ever. But 5-3-1 got me there, and more people should really just shut up and train rather than saying so and so doesnt work. It may not work for THEM, but different strokes for different folks.[/quote]
