[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Also… Jesus fucking Christ with the “Christians did bad things” bullshit.
Good God. If anyone is dumb enough to compare what happen that long ago, to what these people are doing in 2015, and thing it is even a worthwhile conversation, understand you are literally a total moron, or have an agenda so thick, you can’t not be biased to the point fo dumbass.
We aren’t comparing Quarterbacks across decades here.
Get the fuck over the crusades, and get the fuck over Christians. We get it, you don’t like them. Now shut the fuck up about it. [/quote]
Hey guy,yes its a different time,and that was centuries ago. The god the crusaders were fighting for,whether it br god,$,conquest,females etc. Is the same today,yesterday,and forever. Of course this bullshit with isis has nothing to do with it. It is a good point,however,that what was done in gods name was,um slaughter of the innocents. That’s ok cuz it was hundreds of years ago? Histroy repeats itself and people are suprised. No,its not the same,but the fact that christians in the name of god slaughtered thousands!!??? Still means something,ie. What god do you serve,etc
Kind of playing devil’s advocate here but…How is it not comparable?
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The Crusades were a response to a few hundred years of Muslim aggression.
The Crusaders didn’t attack and slaughter other Christians.
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Afraid they did. The fourth crusade was against the Byzantines. Further, the shifting alliances in Jerusalem included Christians against Christians and Christians allied with Muslims.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Yeah and who gives a crap if they hung these two terrorists or not? They were already on death row, the woman in particular for being part of an attack on a Jordanian hotel which killed 60 people. Shit, in my hometown there’s a guy who’s been on death row since the late 80’s and the crimes he committed against a small unarmed child would make for a good horror film but no one has the balls to end his life and he’s still alive almost thirty years later.
These ISIS terrorists are scum and should be treated as such. They cry when we bomb their “women and children” and yet showed a video of a little kid executing some Russians. If that’s the case, well your women and children are fair game. They burned this pilot alive and, as far as executing the two terrorists, sure it was an emotional response, sure it was a gut reaction and total revenge, but that’s the kind of thing ISIS understands, so I say go for it. After all Mohammad said attack your enemy the way they attack you, and finally, someone’s had the freaking balls to do it.[/quote]
Exactly. I totally agree with this. First the prisoners were already on death row so its not like they just took them off the street. Second they were damn guilty of terrorism. Or at least were found guilty, so if you respect the laws of the country they had every right to hang them. And they should have hanged all six.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I completely support the decision to publicly hang the prisoners. I just wish they had killed all of them.
Also, in what I am sure is a PR coup, King Abdullah led a bombing raid the next morning, in person. Abdullah for King! …wait…[/quote]
King Abdullah is a certified badass. He is in my mind the Vladimir Putin of the Middle East.
A general, a special forces officer, and, as we see, a hotshot combat pilot.
Firearms enthusiasts might be interested to know that he is also the world’s only head of state to have been certified by Jeff Cooper at Gunsite training centre, and as such is more qualified in the use of his sidearm than his own bodyguards, or even than the Secret Service.
Good to see that some countries have actual men for leaders.
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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Yeah and who gives a crap if they hung these two terrorists or not? They were already on death row, the woman in particular for being part of an attack on a Jordanian hotel which killed 60 people. Shit, in my hometown there’s a guy who’s been on death row since the late 80’s and the crimes he committed against a small unarmed child would make for a good horror film but no one has the balls to end his life and he’s still alive almost thirty years later.
These ISIS terrorists are scum and should be treated as such. They cry when we bomb their “women and children” and yet showed a video of a little kid executing some Russians. If that’s the case, well your women and children are fair game. They burned this pilot alive and, as far as executing the two terrorists, sure it was an emotional response, sure it was a gut reaction and total revenge, but that’s the kind of thing ISIS understands, so I say go for it. After all Mohammad said attack your enemy the way they attack you, and finally, someone’s had the freaking balls to do it.[/quote]
The essence of democracy and Western idealism, universal freedom, is such that all lives are to be respected on a basic, fundamental level. This shouldn’t change even if the other guy commits something horrible.
Kind of playing devil’s advocate here but…How is it not comparable?
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The Crusades were a response to a few hundred years of Muslim aggression.
The Crusaders didn’t attack and slaughter other Christians.
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Afraid they did. The fourth crusade was against the Byzantines. Further, the shifting alliances in Jerusalem included Christians against Christians and Christians allied with Muslims.
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Yeah, my clarifying post hadn’t shown up yet.
My point was to show how the Crusades were NOT comparable to ISIS’ jihad.
ISIS has gone out of its way to principally and primarily and mostly kill fellow Muslims (and of course everyone else they can get their hands on). That was NOT the goal of the Crusades. That goal, [u]GENERALLY SPEAKING[/u], was to repel the Muslims in the never ending game of geopolitics.[/quote]
Agree. But they were a very messy series of conflicts and the Byzantines got ripped off. They allowed thousands of European fighters to enter/cross through their territory then they(Holy Roman Empire/Europeans) decided to just sack Constantinople instead. Many crusades; many motives; all very messy.
What’s all this about King Abdullah? The Hashemites are corpulent, corrupt despots just like most the other Arab monarchs today. Good that he’s relatively pro-Western though.
Kind of playing devil’s advocate here but…How is it not comparable?
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The Crusades were a response to a few hundred years of Muslim aggression.
The Crusaders didn’t attack and slaughter other Christians.
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Huh?
Tell me, o wise one, what is the origin of the expression “kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out”?[/quote]
Did he utter those famous words in a Crusade against Muslims?
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No. It was during the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars, Christians whom the Catholic church considered to be heretics.
Uttered when Legate Almaric’s order to kill all the Cathars in the Christian city of Beziers was questioned, on the grounds that it was hard to tell a Cathar from a Catholic. “Kill them all,” he said, meaning everyone
in the city, “God will know his own.”
“The Russians taught terrorism classes in their colleges…they obviously know and understand how to effectively speak terrorist.”
And the U.S. doesn’t? The Dzerzhinsky Higher School of the KGB (now the FSB academy) instructed Soviet intelligence officers in the art of international terrorism. The CIA taught and continues to teach comparable courses on campus. Every professional school of international relations in the U.S. does as well.