Dude trains outta Jackson’s camp. Has got ridiculous physical attributes combined with unorthodox striking and grappling…mutherfucker is good already, will be a superstar within the next 2 years barring injury or psychological breakdown. That ain’t going out on a limb, nor is it overhyping. That’s plain old rational analysis.
i knew what i believed in what I saw lol.
Kid’s a natural. But he throws that body fake to spinning back elbow too much imo. He’ll walk right into something one of these days if he keeps doing that.
Then again, I’m sure he already knows that and has lots of other crazy shit he’s willing to try lol. Reminds me of Sudo for some reason…
That’s assuming the fight would go to the clinch, Anderson hasn’t been clinching as of late.
I bet Jones would have no problem taking Silva down. I haven’t seen enough of him on the ground but his mount looked solid against Hamil.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
p.s. - kmc what do you think about my other post about the wrestling if your stil in this thread.[/quote]
im not kmc, but i did stay at a holiday inn. i guess im wondering what your motivation in this is, are you planning to fight mma? or are you seeking a new challenge and want to learn wrestling in order to compete in wrestling? if you’re planning to fight, then obviously you need to learn all of it, and wrestling by itself wont get you there…none of the discplines on their own are really good enough anymore, but as far as cost-benefit analysis goes, you’d be better off learning some kind of submission grappling to further that end.
if it’s just to wrestle for wrestling sake then, by all means, have at it. not an easy road by any account, but there are guys who have started late and been successful. not many, but a few.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
p.s. - kmc what do you think about my other post about the wrestling if your stil in this thread.[/quote]
im not kmc, but i did stay at a holiday inn. i guess im wondering what your motivation in this is, are you planning to fight mma? or are you seeking a new challenge and want to learn wrestling in order to compete in wrestling? if you’re planning to fight, then obviously you need to learn all of it, and wrestling by itself wont get you there…none of the discplines on their own are really good enough anymore, but as far as cost-benefit analysis goes, you’d be better off learning some kind of submission grappling to further that end.
if it’s just to wrestle for wrestling sake then, by all means, have at it. not an easy road by any account, but there are guys who have started late and been successful. not many, but a few. [/quote]
haha cool man yeah I mean I am completely focused on boxing right now and some muay thai. But boxing is the focus, I just turned things around a bit…I know strict wrestling for MMA won’t really work anymore if you wanna be a top guy…but I just don’t believe that one couldnt become very successful at wrestling if they killed it for 5 years you know (if injures that do happen arent excessively serious). Of course the odds would be stacked on the me/the person venturing into that sport late.
I might just be a believer and think that any man can accomplish anything if they already got the right attributes for it and can really bust it.
That’s all really.
If I learn the ground game (which I will eventually) I will be doing it for MMA so like you said it’d be a JJ or something along the lines.
Thanks for the input slimjim.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]drewh wrote:
I think you’re going to be very sad when he loses, beating Matt Hamill who isn’t even a top 20 LHW shows nothing. Now people like you are saying he can beat anyone? Don’t get me wrong he has HUGE upside but lets give him some years to refine his “unorthodox” striking before we even consider a fight with a top 10 LHW, let alone the pound for pound best fighter in the sport.[/quote]
Considering that he is only 22yrs old…him losing will not be that “sad.” It will help a young guy with his upside become even more dangerous. Granted that his heart and mind are in the right places.
Also,turn your hate-filter off(you’ve been ragging on Jones since the finale)and re-read what rasturai stated. Nowhere did he say that Jones could beat anyone. I believe that he would not be a pushover for anyone in LHW…even Silva. But I will say that his youthfulness is a double-edged sword.
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Read my post, no hate I just think fans are getting caught up in the hype which happens with every fighter who goes on a run. He’s destroyed Obrien who sucks, Bonnar who lost to Mark Coleman via same way decision and Hamill who I’ve never thought was that great. His striking looks awesome because he was fighting shitty dudes, he tries that on more experienced guys I don’t see it going well. Kind of like Jardine unorthodox gets him KTFO. I really feel they are going to give him a striker next so it should be interesting. I want to see Cane or Franklin against Jones. I think it’s funny how people hype these fighters though “hed be no pushover for Silva” WTF whatever believe what you want. [/quote]
Umm…ok. I read your post. I didn’t misquote you…like you did rasturai.
Jon Jones isn’t Jardine. Nor is he some “hot” fighter like Houston Alexander when he was on his streak. The “hype” is about ACTUAL potential…his youth…his actual skills. Also,you’d have to be blind(or a hater) to not see that his biggest upside isn’t his “unorthodox” striking. That is not what his opponents have to worry about.
We know he is still in development…but the fact that he is at his level at 22yrs old spells trouble for ALL of LHW division(even Silva). That still means potential…NOT he’s gonna run through everybody including Silva. That is all that is being said…in a nutshell. Besides,it’s only natural to be excited about a fighter like Jones. No big deal.
hands drewh step-ladder to come down off his mini-horse
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The unfortunate thing is that I doubt we’ll ever get to see a fully developed Jones face off against Silva. Silva only has a few fights left on his contract, and has expressed desire to get into boxing (wants to fight Roy Jones Jr.) once that runs out.
Right now Silva would pick him apart with his striking. Jones is unorthodox, and very athletic, but Silva is just a monster when it comes to striking. No one at LHW (or MW in my opinion) is going to walk away victorious if they decide to try to stand and strike with Anderson.
The clinch would be interesting. Silva is nasty with his knees and elbows while in a Thai clinch, while Jones has nasty Greco. The thing is that I don’t know if Jones could get to a clinch without getting KO’d on the way in. And he hasn’t really shown that he’s got a great shot to be able to take Silva down from a distance.
Still agree with you though that Jones has tons of potential.
Yeah I never thought about Jones getting in the clinch with Silva…but if they were too it’s definately one thing I’d like to see how it would turn out!
Rasturai- you asked how many matches you’d probably compete in during a HS career. Well, if you were beastly as a freshman, and won every tournament you ever entered, maybe 200 matches in 4 years- give or take some, depending if you won states and could go to nationals every year. Now, this is all just with your team. If you wrestled club in off season, who knows how many more you’d get in.
The difference between grappling sports and striking is this- there’s no such thing as a “striker’s chance” in the former. If the other guy has alot of matches over you, your gonna get rolled like a fish, cradled and pinned. Which is why you must do alot of grappling to even consider using it.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira is out versus Brandon Vera…Jon Jones is in negotiations to fill in.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira is out versus Brandon Vera…Jon Jones is in negotiations to fill in.
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That could be an interesting fight/test for Jones.
Brandon Vera actually is a decent enough wrester- used to wrestle greco for the air force.
He never uses it though
little bit of a step up for Jones, but Vera is hot or cold could be a good fight.
200 matches in 4 years! damn…thats a helluva lot.
Brandon Vera hope he doesn’t cut too much weight to make him so tired, and seem sloppy. When he’s on, he’s good.
Of course you all already know who I think is gonna win hahah
I like Jones [a lot] but not sure he’s ready for Vera. I feel Vera’s better than he’s shown lately and we all know he won that Couture fight and will be out for blood. He’s a big LHW and has been hit from all angles by bigger, better strikers than Jones and I’m not sure Jones’ unorthodox style would be that much of a surprise to Vera. Obviously I could be way off, I just don’t like this fight for Jones. Yet.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Jones [a lot] but not sure he’s ready for Vera. I feel Vera’s better than he’s shown lately and we all know he won that Couture fight and will be out for blood. He’s a big LHW and has been hit from all angles by bigger, better strikers than Jones and I’m not sure Jones’ unorthodox style would be that much of a surprise to Vera. Obviously I could be way off, I just don’t like this fight for Jones. Yet.[/quote]
I think there is nothing wrong with Jones upping his competition. He’s so damn young that there really would be no shame on his part even if he happens to get out-classed by Vera. BUT that is not going to happen because Vera’s biggest weakness is part of what you stated: he’s better than he’s shown.
In other words,he doesn’t know how to pull the trigger anymore or have any killer instinct. If there was any time for him to change that…it’s now. Or he’s gonna have some serious problems with Jones. Hell,I expect Little Nog to give him big problems and pull out win over him.
I will say that I think Vera is better conditioned than Jones.
Hell,I expect Little Nog to give him big problems and pull out win over him.
I think most would favor Nog.
I will say that I think Vera is better conditioned than Jones.
We can only go off the Bonnar fight before he was working with Chaimberg.
[quote]drewh wrote:
I will say that I think Vera is better conditioned than Jones.
We can only go off the Bonnar fight before he was working with Chaimberg.[/quote]
True…with Chaimberg/Jackson camp he won’t have a choice to get better conditioned.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I like Jones [a lot] but not sure he’s ready for Vera. I feel Vera’s better than he’s shown lately and we all know he won that Couture fight and will be out for blood. He’s a big LHW and has been hit from all angles by bigger, better strikers than Jones and I’m not sure Jones’ unorthodox style would be that much of a surprise to Vera. Obviously I could be way off, I just don’t like this fight for Jones. Yet.[/quote]
I think there is nothing wrong with Jones upping his competition. He’s so damn young that there really would be no shame on his part even if he happens to get out-classed by Vera. BUT that is not going to happen because Vera’s biggest weakness is part of what you stated: he’s better than he’s shown.
In other words,he doesn’t know how to pull the trigger anymore or have any killer instinct. If there was any time for him to change that…it’s now. Or he’s gonna have some serious problems with Jones. Hell,I expect Little Nog to give him big problems and pull out win over him.
I will say that I think Vera is better conditioned than Jones. [/quote]
I totally agree that Jones should [and is ready to] up his comp, just think Vera might be too big of a jump for now. As someone else mentioned though he’s young enough that an ‘L’ if he were to lose would probably be nothing more than a speedbump. I definitely agree with everyone who thinks this kid’s the future at 205.
woohoo! lol