[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote: It is not. That’s a great fallacy based on an old model that was actually talking about incidents with cops and arrests. Because police must have leverage on a suspect (or whatever you would call the cat being arrested), their tendency was to go to the ground immediately to cuff the person.
I’ve been in dozens of street fights. I know where fights end up. My knowledge is not based on some arrest data or anything I’ve read or that someone has told me.
Most ended up on the ground. Which is where I didn’t want them to end up, since my training was TMA and boxing. But that’s where they’d end up.
At the time, I knew how to keep my distance, moving in an out. Which was often enough to lights out the guy before to the ground. But that’s still where most ended up. It would have been nice to have had some grappling back then. Though, who knows, I may have taken a guy down and killed him.
If I were to fight today, I would much rather use my boxing on the guy than my Judo or BJJ. It’s not even close. The odds of devastating someone are much, much, much greater using a throw or arm bar than throwing a punch or kick.
People have their own belief systems. Discussing martial arts is like talking about religion. You can show all the evidence in the world to guys that BJJ is superior, and people will still debate the issue. Like the grappler v. striker videos are all fake?
Or then that street fights do not end up on the ground?
People will do so much to reject the truth.
Much is superstition, but also much is that BJJ is hard. You roll against a resisting opponent. Every BJJ class smokes me. I leave drained. It’s by far the hardest workout I do.
Many would just rather kick air or do “forearm blocks” to each other.
You also test yourself constantly. Unlike Karate and other fake arts, you can’t say, “Oh, I am so bad ass. I just can’t prove it because my throat strikes will kill people.” Every day in the grappling gym you’re worth and place on the pecking order can be easily established.
Many are not able to deal with being humbled on a regular basis. And with BJJ, until you’ve been training for 5 or so years, you will regularly be humbled. There’s no bullshit or mysticism. Just bad-ass workouts and a chance to validate yourself daily.
I have always made it a point to live in the real, rational world. Hence, I train BJJ.
People will always go to “psychics,” and John Edward will sell books showing that he talks to the dead. All of this even though James Randi has proven that all of that is a scam.
Likewise, BJJ practitioners have proven that TMA is a scam. But dojos are still full. The “Dawn Davis Karate School” has way more students than my BJJ and MMA academies combined. Oh well.[/quote]
BJJ is a great art. It is, however, meant for sport. I don’t quite know where you were going with this post. Never did I say that it wasn’t valuable, or a good tool, or something that people should know. But it should not form the basis of self defense because of it’s nature of groundfighting.
I’ve seen my share of fights also. The majority were standing fights, with the only one that went to the ground being when I kind of charged a group, which was a good idea at the time but wasn’t in the long haul.
Rarely were any of them ever one on one fights after high school.
As I say, now and always, I’ll take a boxer in a streetfight any day against anyone. Not in an octagon, not in a Gracie match. In a fight where your goal is to hurt the guy and then be able to get away before you get beat on or arrested, striking and then booking is what you have to do.
You have your views, I have mine. I don’t believe yours are correct. No amount of bullshit blowing is going to make me think otherwise.