[quote]Sifu wrote:
OMC wrote:
Sifu wrote:
You are such an ignorant fucking MMA fanboy. Before there was your MMA fanboy shit there was a thing called a “real fight”. My teacher was a cop who has been in heck of a lot of real fights. Fights where the winner gets a trophy called “the cops gun”.
He never lost any of those get the cops gun fights. Though he did have a co-worker who lost one of the matches die on him while he was giving him CPR. Noone in UFC history has ever lost a match with a big fucking hole in their chest like my teachers co-worker.
We had another black belt from our group who was a cop in Windsor Canada which is a really safe city with no violent crime. He died from a knife to the chest.
How many sportsmen competing in Vale Tudo tournaments have been shot or stabbed in the chest as part of the competition? Bitch ass fanboy.
There was also a thing called dojo challenges, where strangers would walk into the dojo and want to fight someone. These people could be anyone from hard asses to bikers to trained martial artists. No where in America has as bad of a history of dojo challenges as Detroit.
Dojo rivalry in Detroit is so bad we have even had black belts from our own group come in and start shit. So it is offensive to read your fanboy shit coming from punk ass LA.
My teachers had a lot of respect for Ju Jitsu people, but they never got their asses kicked by anyone when they did dojo challenges. Not even the Ju Jitsu people.
Of all the ignorant shit you come out with nothing is more ignorant and disrespectful than your constant use of TMA. You don’t know shit about martial arts, yet your punk ass has the unmitigated gall to lump us all together like there is no difference.
There is a big difference between TKD and Kyokushin. There is difference between Kyoushin and Isshinryu. It’s a good example of your ignrance that your punkass doesn’t talk shit about Kyokushin while Isshinryu which I study is a much more modern and advanced system.
When Kyokushin founder Mas Oyama held his first full contact karate tournament in Madison Square Garden in 1962 it wasn’t the Kyokushin people who won it. It was won by Don Nagles Isshinryu students.
You are a fucking tournament weenie. You act like sport martial arts is the same as self defense martial arts or somehow it is better because you can get trophies to show off how great you are.
In fairness there are a lot of videos made by the gracies pre ufc of challenge dojo matches…not all against total bullshit martial artists. For example there is a video against jason delucia who fought pancrase.
While I agree that TMA can have a level of effectiveness (I should given that I teach it). I also think your living in a dream world when it comes to defending takedowns…also who the hell is gonna take down some body weilding a knife or gun…Holes in chests???
Don’t get off topic…we were talkin about unarmed combat…lets keep it at that…armed combat is an entire different thread.
Over here police carry guns. A lot of them have died from getting shot by someone who took their gun away from them. It is a dangerous job. It isn’t sport. My teachers who were cops were using their skills for a serious reason. They weren’t just playing games in a dojo and going to tournamanets but never getting into a real fight.
In a real fight you have no way of knowing the other guy isn’t going to pull a weapon. You can’t just take things for granted like you can in a tournament. ie In a tournament a guy will have padded gloves so you don’t get hurt as badly. In a street fight he might have lead filled gloves so he will really hurt you if he hits you.
Or you go for a take down and didn’t realize he has a knife in his hand which he jams in your neck on the way down.
or shoves a finger in your eye. A finger in the eye is not a complicated technique. It is not difficult to do. It can even happen accidentaly. Just because it isn’t complicated and difficult to learn doesn’t mean it won’t work.
A lot of other styles diss the system I study because it is favors simple uncomplicated movements delivered from natural body positions, over complicated intricate movements delivered from unnatural contorted body positions. But that is what works in a real fight, simple stuff.
As I’ve said b4…you seem to be informed mostly but not now. Unless you are trained in a specific takedown art…your in the wrong conversation.
P.s the head twisting movement you described is already utilised…its called cross facing. It can’t be performed however unless you have already sprawled…and the movement has stalled.
OMC
The head twisting movement I was describing is intended for breaking the neck. A cross face is something ese.
One last point. The OP is not black belt level practitioner, who has a high level of education in martial arts. He is a guy who is learning and I am trying to help him learn, by pointing out that while takedowns are neat moves to learn there are things that can happen.
In this regard I am being an honest teacher. Because I am pointing out some of the potential pitfalls. Which is more than a ot of the other posters are pointing out. I’m not being a cheerleader for style and saying this is invincible technique noone can beat it, because it’s my style and my style is unbeatable, like some of these other guys.
This is the real crux of the matter. I have pointed out something that can go wrong and all the immature MMA fanboy/cheerleaders are upset becaue they know I am right. They can’t bear to see a vulnerability in their style pointed out.
In this regard they are no different from the Tae Kwon Do people who get pissy when an Isshinryu person points out that they are leaving their groin open with all their head kicks. Then when they fight us and get kicked in the nuts they don’t like it.
All the good teachers I have ever known will point out what can go wrong with the techniqes they teach. You have to in order to teach a technique properly, otherwise you are setting your student up to get hurt or killed.
What this thread has shown is there are some on this board who talk like they really know what what they are talking about, but they really aren’t teachers. Because if they were real teachers, pointing out some simple facts would not have turned this into a my style is better than every other style pissing match.
I guess it’s my bad for wanting to teach something to my boy. In the future I’ll remember this. You guys can learn your lessons the hard way.[/quote]
Your right, style is an irrelevant matter however as everything has a flip side and what I see is that your unintentionally breaking your own rules. You say don’t go for the takedown in case the opponent is carrying a weapon…in a heavier gun culture like the states I would push for a take down quite quickly once the attacker has been visually assesed for items in his hands. I will concede that a poor takedown attempt will leave you in a vulnerabe position but if performed with any sort of skill your real world street attacker will be on his ass hard and eating elbows. This of course changes for multiple attackers but again, like the weapons topic, is a different discussion as there are too many variables to be covered in one.I will briefly indulge you though.
If your standing even a couple of feet away and an attacker pulls out a projectile weapon…your fucked. This is what can go wrong with not going for the takedown or close quarter combat situation. Clinching nulifies the potential impact of brass knuckles or “lead filled gloves”.The crossfacing maneuver I mentioned is simple…it is a basic neckcrank that forces your opponent to move to release the pressure…if he does not…a lot of pain will ensue.
You said it yourself, your trying to avoid tailoring advice to a black belt level but techniques like eye gouges flying knees or effective elbows to the spine while havin your legs taken out from under you are completely unrealistic even for 99 % of the blackbelts I’ve encountered. One of the clubs I instruct is based in a university here in Ireland and I regularly have to deal with the kung fuey/nin-fuck-u-up crowds coming in to do a little spying and trying to discredit the non TMA stuff. The amount of stories we have of guys telling us how they’ll poke me in the eye when I have them in a rear naked choke or how they’d snap my cross with 2 simultaneous inward blocks is ridiculous.
Your advice and input is absolutely welcome and appreciated. I hope you keep it up, just expect people not to agree with everything you write because you know what?? Everything you write isn’t correct and the same goes for me and anybody else here when discussing MA/selfdefence since it needs to be tailored specifically to the individuals strenghts.
OMC
