Jesus Camp Review

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This was an interesting documentary. I dont believe in God so it was interesting to see if it would affect me in any way. Its a documentary about rasing kids in the evangelican way.

If you dont know who they are they’re the ones that rais hands, chant god, cry and then faint. Thats a bit of a crude description but I’m sure you understood who they are.

I dont think it was a propaganda piece either way. It was not pro or against raising your kids in this way. They’re trained to spread God’s word through approaching random people on the streets and try to “save” them.

It let the viewer make up his or her mind as to if its right or wrong. Me being someone who despises organized religion I felt indifferent to the film. They werent doing much to harm their kids raising them this way, from what was shown. Sure they were going to make them “weirdos” to the general public but nothing that was too overboard.

There were some issues of caution. They heavily referred to non-christians as the “enemy.” That was a bit much when you combined the constant for of the words “war” and “army” into the childrens heads. There was on part where the head of the camp said Harry Potter should be killed if he was a real person because he’s a warlock.

We all know children are impressionable and with these choice words it becomes a little frightening. There was also the taping of their mouths with red tape that read “Life” on it. This was to help spread the belief of pro life. You can clearly see how they were being trained as “soldiers.”

Another interesting angle is the immense support and preaching they had for George W. Going so far as having the kids pray to give GW power while touching a card board cuto out of him. Also the head of all the evangelical churches speaks to GW every Monday. Why he does this was never stated.

As a documentary its average. Nothing more than a rental. It will make some feel that these kids are brain washed. The do alude to it using the camps head words. She basically said you have to get to them before they are 7 years old because thats when they are the most impressionable. I thought it could have went deeper, the camp and familes may not have allowed them, into what goes on in the camps. I was left wanting to see more. I felt there was more to the story and it didnt get to the meat of it all.

It came and went in the theatres in September and will be on DVD in January. I just saw it on an advanced DVD. So now its down to a rental, buy or ignore. I suggest a rental at most.

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[quote]PGA wrote:
This was an interesting documentary. I dont believe in God so it was interesting to see if it would affect me in any way. Its a documentary about rasing kids in the evangelican way.

If you dont know who they are they’re the ones that rais hands, chant god, cry and then faint. Thats a bit of a crude description but I’m sure you understood who they are.

I dont think it was a propaganda piece either way. It was not pro or against raising your kids in this way. They’re trained to spread God’s word through approaching random people on the streets and try to “save” them.

It let the viewer make up his or her mind as to if its right or wrong. Me being someone who despises organized religion I felt indifferent to the film. They werent doing much to harm their kids raising them this way, from what was shown. Sure they were going to make them “weirdos” to the general public but nothing that was too overboard.

There were some issues of caution. They heavily referred to non-christians as the “enemy.” That was a bit much when you combined the constant for of the words “war” and “army” into the childrens heads. There was on part where the head of the camp said Harry Potter should be killed if he was a real person because he’s a warlock.

We all know children are impressionable and with these choice words it becomes a little frightening. There was also the taping of their mouths with red tape that read “Life” on it. This was to help spread the belief of pro life. You can clearly see how they were being trained as “soldiers.”

Another interesting angle is the immense support and preaching they had for George W. Going so far as having the kids pray to give GW power while touching a card board cuto out of him. Also the head of all the evangelical churches speaks to GW every Monday. Why he does this was never stated.

As a documentary its average. Nothing more than a rental. It will make some feel that these kids are brain washed. The do alude to it using the camps head words. She basically said you have to get to them before they are 7 years old because thats when they are the most impressionable. I thought it could have went deeper, the camp and familes may not have allowed them, into what goes on in the camps. I was left wanting to see more. I felt there was more to the story and it didnt get to the meat of it all.

It came and went in the theatres in September and will be on DVD in January. I just saw it on an advanced DVD. So now its down to a rental, buy or ignore. I suggest a rental at most.[/quote]

It’s ironic that so many ‘believers’ of Jesus embrace organized religion since Jesus himself didn’t like it at all.

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[quote]GhostNtheSystem wrote:
PGA wrote:
This was an interesting documentary. I dont believe in God so it was interesting to see if it would affect me in any way. Its a documentary about rasing kids in the evangelican way.

If you dont know who they are they’re the ones that rais hands, chant god, cry and then faint. Thats a bit of a crude description but I’m sure you understood who they are.

I dont think it was a propaganda piece either way. It was not pro or against raising your kids in this way. They’re trained to spread God’s word through approaching random people on the streets and try to “save” them.

It let the viewer make up his or her mind as to if its right or wrong. Me being someone who despises organized religion I felt indifferent to the film. They werent doing much to harm their kids raising them this way, from what was shown. Sure they were going to make them “weirdos” to the general public but nothing that was too overboard.

There were some issues of caution. They heavily referred to non-christians as the “enemy.” That was a bit much when you combined the constant for of the words “war” and “army” into the childrens heads. There was on part where the head of the camp said Harry Potter should be killed if he was a real person because he’s a warlock.

We all know children are impressionable and with these choice words it becomes a little frightening. There was also the taping of their mouths with red tape that read “Life” on it. This was to help spread the belief of pro life. You can clearly see how they were being trained as “soldiers.”

Another interesting angle is the immense support and preaching they had for George W. Going so far as having the kids pray to give GW power while touching a card board cuto out of him. Also the head of all the evangelical churches speaks to GW every Monday. Why he does this was never stated.

As a documentary its average. Nothing more than a rental. It will make some feel that these kids are brain washed. The do alude to it using the camps head words. She basically said you have to get to them before they are 7 years old because thats when they are the most impressionable. I thought it could have went deeper, the camp and familes may not have allowed them, into what goes on in the camps. I was left wanting to see more. I felt there was more to the story and it didnt get to the meat of it all.

It came and went in the theatres in September and will be on DVD in January. I just saw it on an advanced DVD. So now its down to a rental, buy or ignore. I suggest a rental at most.

It’s ironic that so many ‘believers’ of Jesus embrace organized religion since Jesus himself didn’t like it at all.

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Then where did the story of the fish and the bread come from? Thousands of people to hear Jesus preach. Definetly not organized. And most definetly the only case of this in the Bible I’ve ever heard…

On another note, I feel camps such as this, or evangilist such as the ones that are being described often misinterpret what the Bible and God’s message are trying to say. It’s already extremely difficult to try and interpret this, but when there are extremeist such as the ones mentioned tend to cloud things up. I wish these camps would start to teach teleological views for God and make their followers a bit more intelligent for new world purposes. It’s unbelievably hard to try and show a general atheist God without a bit of science thrown in. What I’m trying to say is that they’ve taken the message of believing in God as a child would in the wrong direction.

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I saw Jesus Camp. It didn’t really bother me, though.

The only thing about religion that has really made me unsettled is God’s Next Army, about PHC which is not far from Washington and is basically training cloistered Evangelicals with zero life experience or understanding of the outside world to become politicians.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:

The only thing about religion that has really made me unsettled is God’s Next Army, about PHC which is not far from Washington and is basically training cloistered Evangelicals with zero life experience or understanding of the outside world to become politicians.[/quote]

If we’re being honest - that’s not much different than any career politician like Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, Rockefeller, etc…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

If we’re being honest - that’s not much different than any career politician like Clinton, Kennedy, Kerry, Rockefeller, etc…
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There is a significant difference between a school meant to breed a specific politician and a family that expects their children to become politicians. The Ivy Leagues are heavily liberal, no doubt, but there is atleast the option of attending the school regardless of religion of political party affiliation.

They are taking already sheltered children with next to zero life experience, continuing a policy of systematic brainwashing and using them as agents to essentially take over America and use it as a launching board for a sequel to the crusades.

They’ve stated as a public mission the desire to actively enforce not general Christian teachings but specifically Evangelical interpretations of Christian teachings upon religious minorities in this country and abroad. They are completely psychotic and deporting them to the center of a volcano would be a lenient punishment.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
There is a significant difference between a school meant to breed a specific politician and a family that expects their children to become politicians. The Ivy Leagues are heavily liberal, no doubt, but there is atleast the option of attending the school regardless of religion of political party affiliation.

They are taking already sheltered children with next to zero life experience, continuing a policy of systematic brainwashing and using them as agents to essentially take over America and use it as a launching board for a sequel to the crusades.

They’ve stated as a public mission the desire to actively enforce not general Christian teachings but specifically Evangelical interpretations of Christian teachings upon religious minorities in this country and abroad. They are completely psychotic and deporting them to the center of a volcano would be a lenient punishment.[/quote]

No one said shit about schooling. None of the people I mentioned have a days worth of experience in the realworld. They chose to suck the tit - just like the evangelical trainees are learning to do.

You missed the point.

Let me phrase it another way: How much life experience does Kennedy have? Why is his lack of experience different than someone that chooses to go and learn how to be a politician sans life experience?

Answer the same questions wrt Rockefeller.

Answer the same about Clinton - and then justify how he went from trailer trash to President without ever entering the private sector.

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[quote]Dweezil wrote:
They’ve stated as a public mission the desire to actively enforce not general Christian teachings but specifically Evangelical interpretations of Christian teachings upon religious minorities in this country and abroad. They are completely psychotic and deporting them to the center of a volcano would be a lenient punishment.[/quote]

Clinton burned flags. Kennedy is a murderer. Kerry lied his hippie ass off to Congress about what was going on in 'Nam.

Look at both sides. Your fear of religion is showing. I don’t have a problem with your bias - but at least show a little intellectual honesty here.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
No one said shit about schooling. None of the people I mentioned have a days worth of experience in the realworld. They chose to suck the tit - just like the evangelical trainees are learning to do.

You missed the point.[/quote]

No, I don’t think I did miss the point. Making an equivalency between the sheltered life of a rich kid and being completely severed from all culture around you, having all information given to you limited within certain parameters and being pounded throughout your entire childhood for one goal would be doing a sheltered life injustice.

[quote]Let me phrase it another way: How much life experience does Kennedy have? Why is his lack of experience different than someone that chooses to go and learn how to be a politician sans life experience?

Answer the same questions wrt Rockefeller.[/quote]

How much more did they see? We’re talking kids who haven’t left their city except to go to this university, much less the state they live in or this country. People can have their heads in the clouds and still absorb some reality from the world around them if they’re actually in different places.

These kids are being sent from an incredibly strict upbringing with little exposure to anything remotely resembling criticism of their ideals and sent to a university that will cater to that. At the very least, visiting an extreme left wing university will still introduce you to criticism of your ideals.

Growing up in a trailer gives an infinite amount more insight into the world than these children have. If you haven’t watched the documentary you need to, because you can’t understand until you see them interviewed. It’s like watching the interview of someone who’s been held hostage for the last 20 years and has absolutely no comprehension of the world around them, much less no understanding.

I equate some of the interviews I saw to what I’ve seen of young rape victims who were abused by their fathers and thought it was normal and that all children did it, until they made the realization that it wasn’t normal. The difference between your example of spoiled sheltered children and the kids coming to this school?

They still aren’t aware that it isn’t normal, and with the brainwashing they’re getting they will probably ascend to some prominency in the federal government and still remain unaware.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Clinton burned flags. Kennedy is a murderer. Kerry lied his hippie ass off to Congress about what was going on in 'Nam.

Look at both sides. Your fear of religion is showing. I don’t have a problem with your bias - but at least show a little intellectual honesty here. [/quote]

My fear of brainwashing is showing. My fear of a college that is being used as a launching ground that is literally within miles of Washington is showing. My fear of the kids who have already graduated from this school and are aides to people in Congress is showing.

Kennedy is a murderer. Kerry lied. Clinton is a rapist who burned flags and ate a baby on live national televison. None of them came from a place that had a public mission to forcefully instill Evangelical Christian values on the world. None of them were trained for years to work with others to infiltrate our government and take as much time as needed to forward one agenda for one reason.

I don’t like Clinton. I don’t like Kerry. I don’t like Kennedy. I fear none of them. You are absolutely right that I am fucking terrified of these kids, and if you’ve seen them talk you’d know why.

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I see no difference between these wack jobs than any other CULT . They claim to be peacefull religious people ,but they preach nothing but hate for those don’t share their beleifs …And I’d suspect heavily that at the heart of these groups that there is someone getting rich just like in any other large organized CULT .

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Yeah we have a few of those groups here in Aus and Nz. Some of them left the US way back when the US was getting modernised. Seperationists. They are forbidden contact with non-sect members, the church authorities can tell you when your allowed to have sex with your wife, as well as hire lawyers for getting charge of children, etc… Despite the head guys have history of all kinds of things…

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My review can be summed up by:
I felt really sorry for the kids.

If you watched their faces during all the preaching you could see their obvious and constant pain, fear, anguish, and tears. No surpise as they were constantly told they live in a sick world and they are full of sin, and everyone is going to hell blah blah. Be a good brainwashed child and support cardboard cutout Bush. How’s that for false idolism.

Where is all this supposed love that they are meant to get from God and Jesus? I see what they are put through as child abuse. They were so obviously socially stunted. Also why were the preachers constantly getting the kids to ‘speak in tongues’, how’s that for peer pressure, it reminded me The Excorcist, but en mass, one of the boys was even having a fit, convulsing on the floor.

For the record… I think christianity, judaism and islam should be destroyed.
Have a nice day :slight_smile:

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I grew up in the south with all kinds of religious zealots. Speaking in tongues, laying on off hands, it’s all old hat to me.

Can’t say I’m all for it, but I’m not ag’in it either.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Dweezil wrote:
They’ve stated as a public mission the desire to actively enforce not general Christian teachings but specifically Evangelical interpretations of Christian teachings upon religious minorities in this country and abroad. They are completely psychotic and deporting them to the center of a volcano would be a lenient punishment.

Clinton burned flags. Kennedy is a murderer. Kerry lied his hippie ass off to Congress about what was going on in 'Nam.

Look at both sides. Your fear of religion is showing. I don’t have a problem with your bias - but at least show a little intellectual honesty here. [/quote]

What the heck?

No offense to you, RainJack, but it just seems like that republicans (I am making an assumption here, sorry if your not a republican) have a hatred of all things democrat. And I don’t understand all of this. It seems like we should just cut the country in half, give the republicans half and the democrats half. Why is there such hatred amongst everybody? Aren’t we all Americans? So maybe the democrats have skeletons in their closests, so do the republicans. It seems like both sides are so damned brainwashed that they vote republican just to vote republican, and vote democrat just to vote democrat.

Its almost like people look at the part affiliation and completely ignore the person. The father of our country, George Washington, didn’t want political parties. He wanted the person with the most votes to be president, and the person with the second most to be vice. And that really makes sense to me.

I am sorry if I am bitching, but I just hate watching the news, and seeing some of these shows that spout pure, unadultered hatred against people just because they are democrat. (I don’t see very many democrat shows spewing hatred for the republicans, but maybe thats just because I normally vote democratic, (normally, if Colin Powell ran for supreme leader of the known world, I would clone myself enough times to ensre he would win))

My moms boyfriend used to love turning on NPR and listening to rush limbaugh. And I am sorry, but that man was absolutely motivated by pure hatred nothing more.

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[quote]PGA wrote:
This was an interesting documentary. I dont believe in God so it was interesting to see if it would affect me in any way. Its a documentary about rasing kids in the evangelican way.

If you dont know who they are they’re the ones that rais hands, chant god, cry and then faint. Thats a bit of a crude description but I’m sure you understood who they are.

I dont think it was a propaganda piece either way. It was not pro or against raising your kids in this way. They’re trained to spread God’s word through approaching random people on the streets and try to “save” them.

It let the viewer make up his or her mind as to if its right or wrong. Me being someone who despises organized religion I felt indifferent to the film. They werent doing much to harm their kids raising them this way, from what was shown. Sure they were going to make them “weirdos” to the general public but nothing that was too overboard.

There were some issues of caution. They heavily referred to non-christians as the “enemy.” That was a bit much when you combined the constant for of the words “war” and “army” into the childrens heads. There was on part where the head of the camp said Harry Potter should be killed if he was a real person because he’s a warlock.

We all know children are impressionable and with these choice words it becomes a little frightening. There was also the taping of their mouths with red tape that read “Life” on it. This was to help spread the belief of pro life. You can clearly see how they were being trained as “soldiers.”

Another interesting angle is the immense support and preaching they had for George W. Going so far as having the kids pray to give GW power while touching a card board cuto out of him. Also the head of all the evangelical churches speaks to GW every Monday. Why he does this was never stated.

As a documentary its average. Nothing more than a rental. It will make some feel that these kids are brain washed. The do alude to it using the camps head words. She basically said you have to get to them before they are 7 years old because thats when they are the most impressionable. I thought it could have went deeper, the camp and familes may not have allowed them, into what goes on in the camps. I was left wanting to see more. I felt there was more to the story and it didnt get to the meat of it all.

It came and went in the theatres in September and will be on DVD in January. I just saw it on an advanced DVD. So now its down to a rental, buy or ignore. I suggest a rental at most.[/quote]

I just thought of something! You know how they get young muslims deeply involved in their religion, and then indoctrinate them in holy wars and jihad’s and the like?

Maybe its a secret state plan to train our own version of blindly obeying zealots.

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[quote]BarneyFife wrote:
I just thought of something! You know how they get young muslims deeply involved in their religion, and then indoctrinate them in holy wars and jihad’s and the like?
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Well in the film the lady said exactly that. To paraphrase “I want to make our children like muslim fundamentalist children. I want them to to grow up and give their lives to christianity.”

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[quote]PGA wrote:
BarneyFife wrote:
I just thought of something! You know how they get young muslims deeply involved in their religion, and then indoctrinate them in holy wars and jihad’s and the like?

Well in the film the lady said exactly that. To paraphrase “I want to make our children like muslim fundamentalist children. I want them to to grow up and give their lives to christianity.”[/quote]

Wonderful. In a few years, we will have Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists blowing up things in the arabic world, and killing innocents.

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it’s even more amazing that people actually worship jesus, when he didn’t exist at all.

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[quote]Rah-Knee wrote:

It’s ironic that so many ‘believers’ of Jesus embrace organized religion since Jesus himself didn’t like it at all.

it’s even more amazing that people actually worship jesus, when he didn’t exist at all.
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Be careful with things like that. It can’t be proven that Jesus was God’s son. He is, however, an actual historical person.