Week 10,
Back to it, I felt better and was itching to get back to training. The week off most likely did me some good since my over-training probably contributed to my getting sick. My lifts were all in the same range, and my strength had remained constant with what I was lifting while on my last week of tren. No more big jumps in my lifts.
But my appetite went CRAZY. After getting off the tren and being sick, I was hungry all day. I’d dropped 5lbs. from the flu, so I was at 237 on Monday, and after 5 days of stuffing my face and training and stuffing my face some more, that Friday I weighed in at 247! In the morning on an empty stomach!
Holy crap, what a wake-up call. I was so immersed in my gluttony that I hadn’t noticed how bloated I was becoming. I think part of it was because I wasn’t running the tren and my body was reacting to all the new lean muscle that needed nutrients, but I was also eating WAY too much. I cleaned up my diet that day, and started taking some HOT-ROX.
I’d never taken HOT-ROX before this (it was a leftover bottle of my wife’s) or any other stimulant, and I’ve got to say, I was just WIRED on just 1 pill in the morning and another one in the afternoon. I don’t know if it’s effects are accelerated while on AAS, or if that’s the way it works regularly, but within a few days I was back down to around 240-ish.
ya, I am the same way with stimulants. i can’t take more than 1 HOT-ROX at a time or I get so tweeked out I’m no longer productive (just a sweaty jittery ball of energy). I have started splitting the dose so that I take 1 every 3 hours and I can’t take it after about 4pm or I have trouble sleeping. It’s powerful stuff.
progress looks really good. that is a nice vid of the deadlift. glad to see your cycle is coming along well.
it’s funny, I jumped over to Jake’s thread and figured I would just see where he’s at and then I come read yours and I can’t help but laugh. Your level of maturity really shows a big contrast when going straight from his thread.
I never got anything from HOT-ROX off cycle so I think having just come off Tren your effects might have been magnified/enhanced a bit.
I’m usually a big advocate of pushing yourself harder and further when geared up. Obviously, we can all do more and more of it. But it is prudent to remember that there always is a point where it can be too much. I still hold to the belief that it takes someone with JR’s extensive schedule of out of the gym activities to push the geared body beyond its limits. I still greatly recommend either increased volume or frequency [maybe both] on gear. But to be fair, you can push a little too far even geared up.
Week 11,
I felt pretty good physically now, but mentally I was feeling a bit burned out. So for my last two weeks on, I decided that I’d try to shoot for as many repetitions as I could get in the weightroom and my conditioning workouts, just some different motivation to keep me going. I felt like my focus wasn’t very strong as I’d been dealing with alot of aggravating bank/contractor stuff trying to get my house built, and my wife’s first trimester was in full swing too. She’s very supportive of me and super cool about my AAS use, but in MY head I’m feeling selfish for training at this busy time. Then again, it could’ve just been that I was missing the sunlight, lol… lots of rain on the north-west coast in the winter/spring.
Anyway, I got 15 reps with 225 lbs. for my bench press, that I was happy with, but my training partner is a bench-pressing machine (he got 20 reps faster than I got 15) so when I can match him I’ll be ready for some new goals in that department. We did alot of truck pushing around this time too. Trying to beat our old times, and going for distance, but as fast as possible. Nothing, in my experience, causes my legs to cramp/ache/pump like pushing trucks. It’s a fantastic workout, up there with front squats into sprints.
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
ya, I am the same way with stimulants. i can’t take more than 1 HOT-ROX at a time or I get so tweeked out I’m no longer productive (just a sweaty jittery ball of energy). I have started splitting the dose so that I take 1 every 3 hours and I can’t take it after about 4pm or I have trouble sleeping. It’s powerful stuff.
progress looks really good. that is a nice vid of the deadlift. glad to see your cycle is coming along well.
it’s funny, I jumped over to Jake’s thread and figured I would just see where he’s at and then I come read yours and I can’t help but laugh. Your level of maturity really shows a big contrast when going straight from his thread.
Keep up the good work.
FG[/quote]
Thanks Furious, I’ve been lucky. I’ve had some great coaches and training partners over the years that have taught me alot. And of course, all the knowledge and advice from you guys! I try to approach everything with an open mind and think of everyone around me as teachers that I can learn from.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
Very nice Jelly. I know that you said your weight bounced back after the flu hit you, but did you notice anything in terms of strength being affected? [/quote]
My strength stayed pretty much the same as my last week on the tren, but there were no more noticeable increases in my 1RM. I actually think I could’ve hit some bigger numbers had I been smarter. The next time I run tren (or anything else), I’ll follow my training plan to a “T”. Maybe I’ll try to find a PL or strongman meet to compete in, to keep my focus on peaking for that day.
Week 12,
My last week on, and to be truthful, I was looking forward to being off. I’d had a great cycle, but constantly pushing myself harder each and every workout was having a detrimental effect on my motivation. I’d gotten into the habit of thinking that if I’m going to be using AAS I should be getting the absolute most out of it, otherwise I’d be wasting my time. However, it all about learning from mistakes and now I know better, to be more aware of keeping my training and recovery in balance. My next cycle will include supplements like ZMA, creatine, and BCAA’s, and more active-rest stuff like swimming and saunas/cold baths.
So with that last bit in mind, my last day on was squats with 315 lbs. for 20 reps, lol… I just had to do it. If I die tomorrow, I want them to play the video at my funeral, lol…
I know my technique wasn’t all that great, and I feel that I didn’t go deep enough until halfway through it, but I’m pretty proud of it nonetheless. The video quality isn’t that great, but if you look closely, you can see my legs shaking uncontrollably after every rep past 14, lol…
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I know my technique wasn’t all that great, and I feel that I didn’t go deep enough until halfway through it, but I’m pretty proud of it nonetheless. The video quality isn’t that great, but if you look closely, you can see my legs shaking uncontrollably after every rep past 14, lol…[/quote]
Jesus Jelly,
That’s a hell of an effort buddy. Your form looked to be taking a hit around the tenth rep or so, but then you brought it back and stuck it out the rest of the way.
Fantastic job. Really damned good job.
The two guys looking on seem to be enjoying your struggle as well, lol!!!
Way to go!
ToneBone
p.s. Yeah don’t ever underestimate the power of rest and intelligent recovery, even, and/or especially when “on”.
For some reason, the volume doesn’t play on here for me, but if you want to hear me grunting I’ve posted the videos on youtube under WILLYJR3. TB, you’re sharp, luckily my training partner caught the form breakdown too and straightened me out. It’s really great having someone there to watch for that stuff and cue you. And those two old guys are 71 and 84 years old! They’re usually the only other people in the gym when we’re in there in the mornings, so they get a kick out of watching me and my partner abuse ourselves.
I thought I’d write down some thoughts of mine regarding what I’d change or like to try for the next time I do a test/tren cycle, knowing what I do now.
-I’d like to try a higher dose of the tren, say 500mg/week? instead of 350mg/week.
-I’ll use tren-enanthate instead of tren-acetate.
-I’m including EQ throughout the cycle (200mg maybe?) for my appetite.
-In a perfect world, I’d like to schedule my weightlifting for the afternoon/evening. Usually I lift from 6-7AM because of work and family, but I’ve noticed that I’m considerably stronger when I get the chance to lift around dinnertime.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
For some reason, the volume doesn’t play on here for me, but if you want to hear me grunting I’ve posted the videos on youtube under WILLYJR3. TB, you’re sharp, luckily my training partner caught the form breakdown too and straightened me out. It’s really great having someone there to watch for that stuff and cue you. And those two old guys are 71 and 84 years old! They’re usually the only other people in the gym when we’re in there in the mornings, so they get a kick out of watching me and my partner abuse ourselves.
I thought I’d write down some thoughts of mine regarding what I’d change or like to try for the next time I do a test/tren cycle, knowing what I do now.
-I’d like to try a higher dose of the tren, say 500mg/week? instead of 350mg/week.
-I’ll use tren-enanthate instead of tren-acetate.
-I’m including EQ throughout the cycle (200mg maybe?) for my appetite.
-In a perfect world, I’d like to schedule my weightlifting for the afternoon/evening. Usually I lift from 6-7AM because of work and family, but I’ve noticed that I’m considerably stronger when I get the chance to lift around dinnertime.
That’s all I can think of right now. [/quote]
Yeah JR,
That is even more impressive if possible, with the audio.
Partner sounds like a good friend too. I guess I was pretty close, think that one rep was number 11 or 12. Hell of an effort to get that back in alignment and finish the set off though. Damned good job. Looks like a great group of nice guys there.
Well if I ever start mine, I’ll definitely let you know how the enan goes for me w/regards to sides etc. And wow, 500 is gonna be a whollop there bubba. You are gonna make some sick gains on that I imagine.
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
For some reason, the volume doesn’t play on here for me, but if you want to hear me grunting I’ve posted the videos on youtube under WILLYJR3. TB, you’re sharp, luckily my training partner caught the form breakdown too and straightened me out. It’s really great having someone there to watch for that stuff and cue you. And those two old guys are 71 and 84 years old! They’re usually the only other people in the gym when we’re in there in the mornings, so they get a kick out of watching me and my partner abuse ourselves.
I thought I’d write down some thoughts of mine regarding what I’d change or like to try for the next time I do a test/tren cycle, knowing what I do now.
-I’d like to try a higher dose of the tren, say 500mg/week? instead of 350mg/week.
-I’ll use tren-enanthate instead of tren-acetate.
-I’m including EQ throughout the cycle (200mg maybe?) for my appetite.
-In a perfect world, I’d like to schedule my weightlifting for the afternoon/evening. Usually I lift from 6-7AM because of work and family, but I’ve noticed that I’m considerably stronger when I get the chance to lift around dinnertime.
That’s all I can think of right now. [/quote]
I strongly support you in adding in EQ to offset the hunger issues that come along with higher doesed tren cycles.
Yeah, it started getting uncomfortable trying to eat enough near the end of the 8 weeks on tren, and for me that defeats my point of using AAS. I want to improve upon the quality of my training but also my life outside the gym as well.
Nicely done Jelly! And btw, I want to look that spry at 80+. Those two cats looked like cool old timers with a sense of humor. I always like the grizzled vets.
Sorry All2ez, I just got too busy and taking pictures was near the bottom of my to-do list. However, I was thinking of taking some shots after my 8 weeks of PCT is done, just to illustrate the effectiveness of the taper in keeping gains. Right now I’m finishing week 4 of my stasis and I’m doing great. I’ve dropped the volume considerably but my strength and energy is still good, and my bodyweight is 238 lbs. My partner says he thinks I’m still “pinning”, lol…
Aragorn, those old-timers are quite the characters! And, surprisingly very cool about my supplementation with AAS. In fact, one of them has started TRT, after several discussions with me and my training partner about the benefits of testosterone as you age. I know that he reads this forum because I recommended it to him so he could learn more about it.
I thought I’d write down some thoughts of mine regarding what I’d change or like to try for the next time I do a test/tren cycle, knowing what I do now.
-I’d like to try a higher dose of the tren, say 500mg/week? instead of 350mg/week.
-I’ll use tren-enanthate instead of tren-acetate.
-I’m including EQ throughout the cycle (200mg maybe?) for my appetite.
-In a perfect world, I’d like to schedule my weightlifting for the afternoon/evening. Usually I lift from 6-7AM because of work and family, but I’ve noticed that I’m considerably stronger when I get the chance to lift around dinnertime.
That’s all I can think of right now. [/quote]
Good as always JR
Thanks to you and ole Cortes, I suppose I’m going to be the next one to have to document a tren log.
I support you on moving to TrenE. Its what I’m going to do too. Probably looking at 200mg E3D myself which is about your 500mg a week level. Of course with the ester weight 200E3D of enanthate really is not that much more than 50ED of Ace. Main differences really are one poke versus three and the price. Enanthate really is about half the price of Ace for the same miligrams of product.