I’d say never inject more than 2.5ml at a time in one area. Usually I base it on volume, not mass. However, your gear is pretty damn concentrated, so I’m not sure how you’ll react to it.
It’s easier to draw with a 23g opposed to a 25g because of the negative pressure in the vial. Sort of like why you vent a vial when you’re filling it, but the exact opposite. Positive pressure = hard to get in, negative pressure = hard to get out. Personally I draw with a 21 and shoot with a 25.
Also, the beauty of changing pins is that you’re guaranteed to have a sharp one and therefore less pain because there will less trauma to the injection site. Doesn’t seem like much, but drawing from the vial does indeed dull the needle.
Wow, very insightful. What about my case I mentioned above with drawing the vegetable oil into the syringe? It seems as if the viscosity of vegetable oil is much greater than testosterone. I take it this was the reason I was having difficulties drawing it with a 23g?
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wow, very insightful. What about my case I mentioned above with drawing the vegetable oil into the syringe? It seems as if the viscosity of vegetable oil is much greater than testosterone. I take it this was the reason I was having difficulties drawing it with a 23g?[/quote]
I draw and shoot with the same 23G and use all sorts of different sites and don’t have any problems, but other people are different. Some people pretty much can’t shoot quads, I have no problems with it. If you do want to get 25G and you are in America then pins are cheap and plentiful and you might as well go ahead and get some. If you choose not to, I don’t think it will be a problem.
Your experience with the veggie oil will be about the same with the test. It’s a bitch to draw with a 23. But if you are patient it is no big deal, either. Whenever you draw from a vial, first push the same amount of air into it. The pressure will aid in shuttling the oil out. I started using an 18G to withdraw and, while this is much, much easier, I kept shooting chunks of rubber into the vial, which freaked me out enough that I just stopped doing it.
I’m doing my taper with insulin syringes (29G). Now that is a bitch to draw with. However, it goes into your muscle just like a mosquito stinger, you pretty much don’t feel a thing.
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
Wow, very insightful. What about my case I mentioned above with drawing the vegetable oil into the syringe? It seems as if the viscosity of vegetable oil is much greater than testosterone. I take it this was the reason I was having difficulties drawing it with a 23g?[/quote]
Jakers,
Heat up your vial in a cup of very hot water for 5 minutes or so. This will thin it out nicely and it will draw much better than not heating prior to the draw.
Where does the rubber come from? I am assuming it is just the top of the vial? But if you are always pushing the needle though the same hole, how does the rubber get inside the vial? I am assuming from just brushing up against the sides of the hole? But… why wouldn’t this happen with a smaller needle?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I draw and shoot with the same 23G and use all sorts of different sites and don’t have any problems, but other people are different. Some people pretty much can’t shoot quads, I have no problems with it. If you do want to get 25G and you are in America then pins are cheap and plentiful and you might as well go ahead and get some. If you choose not to, I don’t think it will be a problem.
Your experience with the veggie oil will be about the same with the test. It’s a bitch to draw with a 23. But if you are patient it is no big deal, either. Whenever you draw from a vial, first push the same amount of air into it. The pressure will aid in shuttling the oil out. I started using an 18G to withdraw and, while this is much, much easier, I kept shooting chunks of rubber into the vial, which freaked me out enough that I just stopped doing it.
I’m doing my taper with insulin syringes (29G). Now that is a bitch to draw with. However, it goes into your muscle just like a mosquito stinger, you pretty much don’t feel a thing.[/quote]
I was planning on heating it up to begin with because I heard this makes the injection less painful, but I didn’t know that it would make the liquid easier to draw. Good to know. I guess I should have figured this based upon simple chemistry.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Jakers,
Heat up your vial in a cup of very hot water for 5 minutes or so. This will thin it out nicely and it will draw much better than not heating prior to the draw.
Yeah, I am going to definitely do this for my next cycle. Not only for the reason you mention but also from the “scar tissue” standpoint.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
In addition to heating the vial, if you draw with a 20 and shoot with a 25, then you’ll swear the needle was never even in you it goes so fast…[/quote]
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Actually if you want to save yourself a bit of a literal pain in the ass, you can buy the same brand needles only for a few dollars via the internet…[/quote]
Would this be something I could just buy off research supply company?
Also, are all needles interchangeable with syringes? Or, do I need to buy certain needles dependent upon my syringe?
[quote]Jakebambeeno wrote:
World1187 wrote:
Actually if you want to save yourself a bit of a literal pain in the ass, you can buy the same brand needles only for a few dollars via the internet…
Would this be something I could just buy off research supply company?
Also, are all needles interchangeable with syringes? Or, do I need to buy certain needles dependent upon my syringe?[/quote]
Yes. And all are interchangeable (basically). As far as your previous question, the reason rubber gets into the vial is because the hole in the needle cores out the rubber, then when the air is first pushed into the vial (remember, to add air pressure to help the oil come out easier) that chunk of rubber gets shot inside.
If the vial is sterilized it’s not really anything to worry about but it freaks me out enough that I don’t want anything to do with it. When I end up going back to the States and can order needles cheaply and easily (as you can) I will draw with a 23 and inject with a 25, as World suggests. I would, too, if I were you. It’s just too simple, easy and cheap to make excuses for.
So how do you eat the raw meat? Just…raw? Spice it up with pepper and tabasco? Raw egg yolk? Actually there is a dish with raw beef and raw egg yolk in Japan that I absolutely love…but I have a hard time imagining eating raw meat all the damn time. Cooked meat tastes too good.
I draw all the time with an 18GA. Just make sure your not stuffing it through the same spot in the stopper. If a chunk of the stopper falls in, then just refilter your AAS.
Have always used 23GA to inject, however may will likely pick up 25Ga after this box empties.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
This thread is kind of funny. Keep it up. There is no way you were eating 15,000 calories a day. [/quote]
I actually did. My diet was based of something similar to this. In between meals, I would chomp on nuts, drink soy milk (but usually Gatorade and protein shakes), and eat macaroni noodles in smart balance butter.
Breakfast:
6 whole eggs 8 egg white omelet
7 oz turkey sausage
1 lb hash browns
Shake
2 cups oatmeal
soymilk
2 cup egg whites
1 cup frozen fruit
Meal 1:
1.5 foot long deli roast beef (1.5 lb) rollup (wrap) loaded with mayo, spinach, dijon mustard on flat bread
2 cans on pringles
Spinach
gatorade mixed with dextose
Meal 2:
12 large meat balls
1.5 lb Potato salad
lots of oil
Meal 3:
4 large burgers with 90% lean ground beef w/ Worcestershire sauce and Hoisen sauce
8 wheat buns
mayo
Pasta
Meal 4:
2 large quizno mesquite chicken subs
1 can Pringles
Gatorade mixed with dextose
Meal 5:
2lbs chili
1 lb potato salad
Before bed shake:
100g protein powder
1/4 cup olive oil
1 cup oatmeal
1/2 liter soy milk
frozen fruit
Yeah, raw or partially frozen. I actually like raw meat more. Especially with a cup or so of hot brown rice to warm with olive oil or macadamia nut oil drizzled over the top. I use my food processor to chop up my potatoes and my veggies, and I square up my meat tiny with a meat clever to make things much easier to eat. Raw egg yolks are easy as I just throw them in my shakes. You have to be careful with buying grocery/supermarket meat as it is much more risky to eat raw.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
So how do you eat the raw meat? Just…raw? Spice it up with pepper and tabasco? Raw egg yolk? Actually there is a dish with raw beef and raw egg yolk in Japan that I absolutely love…but I have a hard time imagining eating raw meat all the damn time. Cooked meat tastes too good.[/quote]
Wait, now I am confused. Where exactly are you supposed to push the needle through? Just the top of the vial (I take it this is the stopper)? But, if you make multiple holes in the top, wont this take away from the pressure when you’re trying to increase it in the vial? Maybe the rubber prevents this from happening. I also assume I can find out about filter through a basic search on it?
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I draw all the time with an 18GA. Just make sure your not stuffing it through the same spot in the stopper. If a chunk of the stopper falls in, then just refilter your AAS.
Have always used 23GA to inject, however may will likely pick up 25Ga after this box empties.[/quote]