[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I mean, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, isn’t it? If I thought everything is fine in America, with nothing to worry about, would I have emigrated…twice?[/quote]
Gotcha - I misunderstood (I should post less when I drink! LOL)[/quote]
I’m going to go out on a limb and say the opposite is true.
More drinks, more posts![/quote]
LMAO!
“Our military is underfunded and over extended. Our foreign policy is a fucking JOKE.”
How is the US military underfunded, absolutely or relatively? How is it overextended? Your simplistic understanding of foreign policy is a JOKE.
“Our currency is being deflated on a daily basis by the FED actively printing money and manipulating the bond market.”
Currency appreciates or depreciates, it doesn’t inflate or deflate. And no, that isn’t semantics. There is no simple positive correlation between the strength of a state’s currency and its economy. This is especially true in regard to net exports, which a strong dollar negatively impacts. The Federal Reserve is the central bank of the US. It isn’t responsible for coining money, the Treasury is. The Fed conducts monetary policy by carrying out open market operations to increase or decrease the money supply with the purpose of closing recessionary and expansionary gaps in output.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
“Our military is underfunded and over extended. Our foreign policy is a fucking JOKE.”
How is the US military underfunded, absolutely or relatively? How is it overextended? Your simplistic understanding of foreign policy is a JOKE.
[/quote]So since you cherry picked only two sentences from my list of issues, I assume you agree that the rest of them are spot on? Cool, I can live with that. Thank you for your wisdom, oh great one. I WISH I were as smart as you and had the educational opportunities that you had growing up. I didn’t make it through highschool - I’m a self taught man, most of it from a prison library, so forgive my “simplistic understanding of foreign policy that’s a joke” (no offense taken, you fucking asshole). You call me stupid, I call you an asshole - see how that works?
I think we are underfunded because of of the responsibilities we are shouldering as the “defacto world police”. There are no other countries in the world who are stepping up and doing shit that we have historically done and continue to do. No one maintains as many bases in as many theaters of operation as we do. While I don’t necessarily AGREE with that policy, it IS the reality of the US military. And the fact that OUR SOLDIERS’ lives are being put at risk by political and budgetary considerations is ridiculous. They have been given a mission. But the aren’t getting the funding to fulfill the mission optimally. That fancy chart of yours doesn’t really cover that, now does it? I see your chart and raise you an ARTICLE. 
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“Our currency is being deflated on a daily basis by the FED actively printing money and manipulating the bond market.”
Currency appreciates or depreciates, it doesn’t inflate or deflate. And no, that isn’t semantics. There is no simple positive correlation between the strength of a state’s currency and its economy. This is especially true in regard to net exports, which a strong dollar negatively impacts. The Federal Reserve is the central bank of the US. It isn’t responsible for coining money, the Treasury is. The Fed conducts monetary policy by carrying out open market operations to increase or decrease the money supply with the purpose of closing recessionary and expansionary gaps in output. [/quote]
Are you REALLY trying to “school me” on who prints money? Jesus fucking christ, dude… That sentence is using what is called “common parlance” to designed to compress a VERY complicated process/idea into ONE SENTENCE. Yes, Bis, I know, the treasury is the one that prints the actual money. But for some reason, it’s the FED who is buying all of these mortgage backed securities… With what exactly? Oh yeah, MONEY. MONEY that doesn’t exist in reality and that is being utilized to put downward pressure on interest rates. FAQs: Agency MBS Purchases - FEDERAL RESERVE BANK of NEW YORK
Here is an article that compares QE to “printing money”, and THAT’S what I meant.
Regarding currencies deflating, here’s another article that uses the exact terminology that I used. Why don’t you go write to THEM and tell them how wrong they are?
oh and here’s an article explaining monetary INFLATION (but I thought that didn’t exist?)
Quit cherry picking, dude. How about you address the SUBSTANCE of my post, instead of picking out TWO FUCKING SENTENCES? You’re like a goddamned grammar nazi but with sentences. Which is to say, you don’t contribute anything worthwhile to the conversation, you only annoy people and distract from the discussion.
Now address my entire post or fuck off.
Could it possibly be said that our military is underfunded precisely BECAUSE our foreign policy sucks?
I mean, even the most well-equipped, best-trained and lavishly funded fire department in the world would seem inadequate to the task if it regularly sold matches and gasoline to every punk arsonist in town.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Could it possibly be said that our military is underfunded precisely BECAUSE our foreign policy sucks?
I mean, even the most well-equipped, best-trained and lavishly funded fire department in the world would seem inadequate to the task if it regularly sold matches and gasoline to every punk arsonist in town.[/quote]
Let’s take that analogy and align it with reality. It’s not the FIRE DEPARTMENT that’s selling the matches to the punk arsonists, it’s the MAYOR of the town and the “town council”. THEY are the ones selling the matches (because their brother in law is a match manufacturer and their sister’s best friend’s cousin is the insurance adjustor who profit’s from underpaying policies on the fire damage). But then they don’t appropriate enough funds for the fire department to fight all of the fires, much less educate the public on “fire prevention”… Because they have a vested financial interest in making sure the “fire” business is going strong. Crony capitalism at it’s finest.
But that’s not the fault of the FIRE DEPARTMENT…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
And given those above trends, and what you know about history and human nature, you think everything is just “fine”? Nothing to worry about? We have more “unaddressed issues” than Germany did circa 1933…[/quote]
So, who should we be afraid of? The government which represents the status quo, which already has the power and the ability to arrest you and put you, not in a Fema camp, but a Supermax if need be, because the bureaucracy for this is already in place or the alternative:
In Germany 1933, the Nazi’s were have nots (as were the Communists, the French Revolutionaries, ect). The Communists exterminated the middle class, the French, the Monarchy, the Nazi’s the Jewish people…
If history has taught us anything, the real bloodbath will come when the have nots in this country, the lower class, those on welfare, ect, decide to take down the mega-rich on Wall Street.
You listed all the problems the country is facing right now. Would such a slaughter be the solution or, since this is America, could there perhaps be another way?
Is my thinking possible? What would you fear more, the Government or the results of the revolution in the scenario I have presented?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Could it possibly be said that our military is underfunded precisely BECAUSE our foreign policy sucks?
I mean, even the most well-equipped, best-trained and lavishly funded fire department in the world would seem inadequate to the task if it regularly sold matches and gasoline to every punk arsonist in town.[/quote]
Let’s take that analogy and align it with reality. It’s not the FIRE DEPARTMENT that’s selling the matches to the punk arsonists, it’s the MAYOR of the town and the “town council”. THEY are the ones selling the matches (because their brother in law is a match manufacturer and their sister’s best friend’s cousin is the insurance adjustor who profit’s from underpaying policies on the fire damage). But then they don’t appropriate enough funds for the fire department to fight all of the fires, much less educate the public on “fire prevention”… Because they have a vested financial interest in making sure the “fire” business is going strong. Crony capitalism at it’s finest.
But that’s not the fault of the FIRE DEPARTMENT…[/quote]
Yeah. That’s a better analogy.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
And given those above trends, and what you know about history and human nature, you think everything is just “fine”? Nothing to worry about? We have more “unaddressed issues” than Germany did circa 1933…[/quote]
So, who should we be afraid of? The government which represents the status quo, which already has the power and the ability to arrest you and put you, not in a Fema camp, but a Supermax if need be, because the bureaucracy for this is already in place or the alternative:
In Germany 1933, the Nazi’s were have nots (as were the Communists, the French Revolutionaries, ect). The Communists exterminated the middle class, the French, the Monarchy, the Nazi’s the Jewish people…
If history has taught us anything, the real bloodbath will come when the have nots in this country, the lower class, those on welfare, ect, decide to take down the mega-rich on Wall Street.
You listed all the problems the country is facing right now. Would such a slaughter be the solution or, since this is America, could there perhaps be another way?
Is my thinking possible? What would you fear more, the Government or the results of the revolution in the scenario I have presented?
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I would submit for your consideration that the “downtrodden” (minorities/special interest) have already taken control of the MEDIA (controlling the message) and are in the process of taking control of our government. If you look, the middle class is clearly in decline. The executive orders of Obama are further diluting it.
Communism is like a fucking disease. Our country has been infected (back in the 60’s) and the disease is spreading. They laid their groundwork VERY well - MEDIA controlling the message, Left leaning SCOTUS appointments at every opportunity, dumbing down the school system so that the newer generations can’t critically think for themselves, utilizing technology in a way that distracts from important issues while making “urgent/unimportant” issues the primary focus of the MSLM - it’s a VERY well orchestrated attack.
Now that the ground work has been laid, they are quickly encroaching on territory that they never would have gotten with a direct assault.
If you suspend your disbelief for just one second, put yourself in the shoes of a fucking communist, and THINK: what is the SINGLE obstacle that truly stands in the way of them reaching full power? The fact that 40% of Americans are gun owners. And about a quarter of them are ultra conservative and will die before giving up their firearms. The Government knows this, which is why they put them on the list associating them with terrorists. Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution. So once this conservative minority has been dealt with, they will create an incident similar to England or Australia and use that as an excuse to ban semi-automatic weapons. Shortly after that, they will ban handguns. And soon after, they will ban/over regulate ALL firearms left over. In effect, they will geld us. And just like an animal who has been gelded, we will be easy to control. At that point, it will really get bad (unless you are a part of the one’s doing the gelding…)
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution.
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This is what scares me the most.
And it will another generation of entitled, uneducated people to fully submit to a government controlled society.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Left leaning SCOTUS appointments at every opportunity[/quote]
Huh? I don’t recall Republicans electing left-leaning SCOTUS members.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The Government knows this, which is why they put them on the list associating them with terrorists.[/quote]
Could you source this?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution.
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Damn those Republicans!
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution. [/quote]
So would you say the events of 9-11-01 are acting like a slow Reichstag Fire?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution. [/quote]
So would you say the events of 9-11-01 are acting like a slow Reichstag Fire?
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Interesting comparison, for a variety of reasons.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
How did this become a “government spending and waste” thread so quickly? The topic is the United States preparing to make war with its citizens. I guess that’s not as worrisome as whether the U.S. spends $999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.99 on sending members of the military on extended vacations to shitholes vs. spending that money on Americans that refuse to take care of themselves(or, much more rarely, can’t).[/quote]
I am not sure what your point is but are you implying that people are sick because they don’t take care of themselves and that because of this it’s a bad thing for a state to pay for healthcare?
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Left leaning SCOTUS appointments at every opportunity[/quote]
Huh? I don’t recall Republicans electing left-leaning SCOTUS members.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The Government knows this, which is why they put them on the list associating them with terrorists.[/quote]
Could you source this?
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Both of these links shed light on the fact that the FBI, DHS, ATF and other agencies are more worried about classifying conservatives and people who support the Constitution as “terrorists” than they are about rooting out and destroying ISIS and other muslim based terror organizations. They are going after CITIZENS with the same rulebook that they used to go after TERRORISTS.[quote]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution.
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Damn those Republicans![/quote]
As I’ve said before, I hope there is new level of hell created for “W” and Cheney for their role in implementing the Patriot acts. Those fuckers blew the lid off of Pandora’s box.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Anything having to do with “the war on terror” gets a free pass to “bend” the Constitution. [/quote]
So would you say the events of 9-11-01 are acting like a slow Reichstag Fire?
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There is debate as to whether or not the Reichstag fire was a false flag or not, so I don’t want feed THAT angle, but I do believe that the events of 9/11 were used as an excuse to empower the Executive branch of the government and upset many of the checks and balances in our system. It undermines the very fabric of the Constitution. And the inevitable result is that President Obama felt legally entitled to execute a US Citizen without trial. I have a HUGE issue with this. Not because I believe he wasn’t a terrorist. Not because I believe he didn’t deserve to die. But because of the precedent it sets. Obama crossed a line PUBLICLY, and got away with it. It was a HUGE line. And if that’s the power they currently have, then it needs to be taken back before it get’s out of hand and abused even further than it already has been.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Communism is like a fucking disease. Our country has been infected (back in the 60’s) and the disease is spreading. They laid their groundwork VERY well - MEDIA controlling the message, Left leaning SCOTUS appointments at every opportunity, dumbing down the school system so that the newer generations can’t critically think for themselves, utilizing technology in a way that distracts from important issues while making “urgent/unimportant” issues the primary focus of the MSLM - it’s a VERY well orchestrated attack.
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I find this thought-provoking.
Is it your view that some person or body consciously planned and is carrying this out, or am I misunderstanding? If so, who would you identify as it being?
I guess I’m asking who is “they?”
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I can only look at the results and the implication of those results (I.E. LESS freedom for Americans). I’m not smart enough or well educated enough to articulate my “hunches” without coming across as a crazy tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, so I apologize in advance for my poor communication skills and ask that any specific sentences that I make a mistake on not be picked out of the paragraph and attacked. I know I’m not as smart as most of you, but I’m doing my best. In other words, I don’t have the time to respond to cherry picking anymore - address the POINT of my post and kindly refrain from picking one sentence out of one paragraph and using that to distract from the discussion at hand. I’m kinda sick and tired of that “internet debate” tactic and won’t be indulging in it anymore (not addressed specifically at you Chushin). It distracts from the discussion.
I think there are elements of Special Interest Groups (minorities, LGBTABCDEFG, and the rest of the “politically correct police” who control the MEDIA), elements of “Big Money” interested in influencing the government in their favor for profit and promoting “consumption”, elements of international influences who want to tear down American exceptionalism, elements of socialist/communist second and third generation people/institutions actively working to meet that agenda, elements within our government who are tasked with “protecting us” and are pressured to do by any means necessary (even if it means effectively neutering the population and violating the Constitution to do so), and an overall “decline” in Conservative values fueled by Radical Feminism which has basically made divorce and the systematic financial castrating of the American Man commonplace which has led to the diminishing of the Family unit, single mommy syndrome, and a host of other social issues that move us in a negative direction. These ideas are literally beaten into our brains everyday with advertizing, TV shows, Movies and other forms of MEDIA. It is compounded when these ideas are LEGISLATED and ENFORCED - the result of which is more police encounters and the incarceration of a significant percentage of our population. 90% of the time, these people who get caught up in the “justice system” will NEVER go on to lead any kind of “productive” life. This leads to a permanent “under class” and everything that goes along with it. Even the basic non violent traffic laws result in what is essentially debtors prison and systematic disenfranchisement of the poor, uneducated and many minorities. Which, of course, is basically another form of taxation - more laws = more arrests = more inmates = more prisons = more money = better cop cars, more “justice” jobs and an incentive to keep that cycle (of abuse and raping citizens financially to justify their pathetic existence) going. This concept is furthered by the Liberal agenda who want’s to have MORE “protection” and is too stupid to realize that the very system that they fearfully support actually CREATES more desperate people who are in fact MORE likely to commit crime - after all, who want’s to hire a felon? it’s a feed-forward loop that continues to spiral out of control to the detriment of our society.
I don’t think it’s “one person” pulling the strings. I think it’s a result of poorly thought out Liberal ideas that have been gaining ground little by little over the course of decades. These ideas have produced a critical mass of uninformed, government dependent voters who view themselves as victims and feel entitled to XYZ… Their voices are magnified by special interest groups who are financed by “big money” in exchange for influence.
Our laws (specifically Tort laws) have been used to create very harmful precedents that have had unforeseen consequences. Instead of changing the laws in the interest of the general population, concessions are made for minorities and special interests at the expense of the general population. This has become very apparent in government where it’s become virtually impossible to fire an incompetent person. If you have a culture of incompetence and special interest, fueled by entitlement and “victim” culture, it’s pretty obvious that the results are going to be less than stellar.
Other laws (usually rammed down our throats in the form of HUGE bills that are not debated or even given adequate time to READ before being voted on) give unprecedented power to the Federal government in the form of the Three Letter Agencies. This has given rise to the effective militarization of the Executive Branch and opens the door to all kinds of unsupervised actions in our Homeland against AMERICANS. The “war on XXXX” (drugs, terror, etc…) gives the government the excuse to spy on us. Here is a great article that sums that up nicely:
http://www.alternet.org/world/how-wars-terror-and-drugs-distract-public-bigger-motives-behind-them
And here is a great video showing the active ignorance of some individuals and their BLIND faith in the Government and the unconstitutional actions of President Obama.