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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I highly doubt it too, I’m sure there would be SOME, but not a majority. My guess is he’ll use mercenaries. Academi (formerly Blackwater) already has a 250mil contract with the CIA and their subsidiary has nearly a 100mil contract with the State Dept. This year, many of the world’s top “para military” companies (all headquartered in Northern VA, coincidentally) have been purchased by the same holding company. Didn’t even make the news.[/quote]

Why do you think American mercenary companies will follow along?

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Not if we elect a true Conservative. If we elect another RINO we’re done.
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Dude. Virtually every single Republican (and Democrat for that matter) voted for the Patriot Act shortly after 9/11.

Even now, the vast majority of both parties vote to continue it every time it comes up.[/quote]

Yeah, this literally has no chance of changing. The only one who even acts like they may want to seriously change it is Rand.

And that is all before you’re elected. Once you’re elected and the “experts” get in your ear and talk about the necessity of it and the war on terror well…let’s just remember how well Obama talked the talk before he got into office.

I’d bet significant sums of money that the 2016 winner doesn’t champion significant changes to it during their years though they may pay some lip service to it (like Obama did) during campaigning.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I highly doubt it too, I’m sure there would be SOME, but not a majority. My guess is he’ll use mercenaries. Academi (formerly Blackwater) already has a 250mil contract with the CIA and their subsidiary has nearly a 100mil contract with the State Dept. This year, many of the world’s top “para military” companies (all headquartered in Northern VA, coincidentally) have been purchased by the same holding company. Didn’t even make the news.[/quote]

Why do you think American mercenary companies will follow along?[/quote]

Because right now they are following rules of engagement in the shadows. If they were the “tip of the spear”, they would be free to follow their nature. They’re MERCENARIES… They KILL… for MONEY… They LIKE war, they LIKE the rush that battle gives them and they’ve left their conscience behind a long time ago.

One of my close friends is a former Marine Scout Sniper, Silver Star decorated. He is one of the most accomplished hunters I know and when he got out, he got a job on a farm. He didn’t take any of the job offers from Blackwater or others like them. He has a soul. But he knows many men that don’t. They left something behind in Afghanistan or Iraq (or God knows where else our country happened to send them).

Besides that, many of these operatives are NOT American. They recruit from the special forces all over the world. Academi is in Greece right now as we speak getting practice. Blackwater in Greece: Fears of Coup as Mercenaries Drafted for Guarding Govt, Overseeing Police - 21st Century Wire

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Not if we elect a true Conservative. If we elect another RINO we’re done.
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Dude. Virtually every single Republican (and Democrat for that matter) voted for the Patriot Act shortly after 9/11.

Even now, the vast majority of both parties vote to continue it every time it comes up.[/quote]

Yeah, this literally has no chance of changing. The only one who even acts like they may want to seriously change it is Rand.[/quote]

And the only way he gets in the White House is by an invitation of the man or women who wins the election.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

Because it’s logical to compare the defense spending of some shit hole country to the greatest military power the world has ever known. Totally logical.
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China, Russia, France, UK, etc are shit hole countries? Since when? We have already been MASSIVELY outspending these places for a long time. Explain to me what would happen if we only spent a little more than them instead of gobs more?

I mean I honestly don’t get it. The right has so many people who talk about inefficient government and government waste. Yet they IGNORE it when it comes to defense. Defense spending to many of these people is too low and apparently waste free. [/quote]

This was days and pages ago, however… After watching a documentary on Hitler and WWII, I’m coming around to the “fuck yes we need to be spending this and more on defense” side.

Hitler doesn’t double cross Stalin and the world looks a lot different now than it does. And the German Tech advantage wasn’t really hurting them as they rolled through Europe.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

While the Left is in power, the thing it covets the most is an excuse to force everyone to do it their way. The way to accomplish that is via Martial Law. The only way to get to Martial Law is respond to an emergency. So they do everything they can to manufacture an emergency. (i.e. alienate allies, foster civil unrest and racial tension, get as many people as possible dependent upon the government via health care, food stamps, immigration and welfare). Once a critical mass of people are dependent upon the government, they will have the freedom to make some “riskier” moves. Moves such as declaring curfews, martial law, FEMA camps, check points and DISARMAMENT of citizens. Because as we all know, under martial law, civil rights are suspended. If you assume communications will be “down” (they now control the internet, remember?) they will have free reign to “disappear” whoever they choose.

That’s what they are practicing for.
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Why didn’t they declare Marshal Law right after 9-11?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

While the Left is in power, the thing it covets the most is an excuse to force everyone to do it their way. The way to accomplish that is via Martial Law. The only way to get to Martial Law is respond to an emergency. So they do everything they can to manufacture an emergency. (i.e. alienate allies, foster civil unrest and racial tension, get as many people as possible dependent upon the government via health care, food stamps, immigration and welfare). Once a critical mass of people are dependent upon the government, they will have the freedom to make some “riskier” moves. Moves such as declaring curfews, martial law, FEMA camps, check points and DISARMAMENT of citizens. Because as we all know, under martial law, civil rights are suspended. If you assume communications will be “down” (they now control the internet, remember?) they will have free reign to “disappear” whoever they choose.

That’s what they are practicing for.
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Why didn’t they declare Marshal Law right after 9-11?
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The short answer is, they COULDN’T - even if they wanted to. We were too “free” then. We hadn’t been scared enough by the government and MEDIA to willingly give our civil liberties away and ALLOW our government to spy on us. NO, we needed to be CONDITIONED (neutered). And that’s what happened.

Look at what Jeb Bush said just yesterday: Jeb Bush is a big fan of NSA surveillance | CNN Politics

“… the best part of the Obama administration would be his continuation of the protections of the homeland using, you know, the big metadata programs, the NSA being enhanced…”

And we have people just FINE with that, “cuz it’s for your own good”. “you want to be SAFE, don’t you? I mean if you’re not doing anything wrong, what’s the problem?”

Most of us on this board are uncomfortable by the extent and reach of the Patriot act and the subsequent programs stemming from it alluded to by Edward Snowden (who, ironically, people call a traitor when he exposed how corrupt, unconstitutional and widespread the government’s spying on us had become - the guy should be considered a fucking hero). But we’ve been CONDITIONED to be OK with the fact that the NSA is probably reading this thread right now and putting me on a fucking list. After all, I’m “subversive”, aren’t I?

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I realize the source here is “infowars”, but he’s showing video of what he’s saying. See for yourselves what’s going on: our military, dealing DIRECTLY with civilian unrest. They are planning to deploy our troops against us.

http://www.infowars.com/video-marines-conduct-riot-control-drill/

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Most of us on this board are uncomfortable by the extent and reach of the Patriot act and the subsequent programs stemming from it alluded to by Edward Snowden (who, ironically, people call a traitor when he exposed how corrupt, unconstitutional and widespread the government’s spying on us had become - the guy should be considered a fucking hero). But we’ve been CONDITIONED to be OK with the fact that the NSA is probably reading this thread right now and putting me on a fucking list. After all, I’m “subversive”, aren’t I?[/quote]

I’ve always found the Snowden stuff very compelling. Even if 10% of what he says is true (i think it’s mostly true) that’s still a serious problem which people just dismiss like crazy talk.

If there was another 9-11 attack today, no doubt we would have martial law. It might have worked back in 01 with the level of shock people were in, but today people would line up to be put in camps after a decade and a half of conditioning.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Most of us on this board are uncomfortable by the extent and reach of the Patriot act and the subsequent programs stemming from it alluded to by Edward Snowden (who, ironically, people call a traitor when he exposed how corrupt, unconstitutional and widespread the government’s spying on us had become - the guy should be considered a fucking hero). But we’ve been CONDITIONED to be OK with the fact that the NSA is probably reading this thread right now and putting me on a fucking list. After all, I’m “subversive”, aren’t I?[/quote]

I’ve always found the Snowden stuff very compelling. Even if 10% of what he says is true (i think it’s mostly true) that’s still a serious problem which people just dismiss like crazy talk.

If there was another 9-11 attack today, no doubt we would have martial law. It might have worked back in 01 with the level of shock people were in, but today people would line up to be put in camps after a decade and a half of conditioning. [/quote]

I know, right? I mean, what the fuck are people THINKING, being OK with our government spying on us! “Well, I just want to be safe from terrorism…” to which I reply, “fuck you - get a gun, don’t tread on my rights to privacy”.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

I know, right? I mean, what the fuck are people THINKING, being OK with our government spying on us! “Well, I just want to be safe from terrorism…” to which I reply, “fuck you - get a gun, don’t tread on my rights to privacy”.
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“get a gun, don’t tread…”

  • immediately discredited by the average brain washed millennial liberal as crazy talk
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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Most of us on this board are uncomfortable by the extent and reach of the Patriot act and the subsequent programs stemming from it alluded to by Edward Snowden (who, ironically, people call a traitor when he exposed how corrupt, unconstitutional and widespread the government’s spying on us had become - the guy should be considered a fucking hero). But we’ve been CONDITIONED to be OK with the fact that the NSA is probably reading this thread right now and putting me on a fucking list. After all, I’m “subversive”, aren’t I?[/quote]

I’ve always found the Snowden stuff very compelling. Even if 10% of what he says is true (i think it’s mostly true) that’s still a serious problem which people just dismiss like crazy talk.

If there was another 9-11 attack today, no doubt we would have martial law. It might have worked back in 01 with the level of shock people were in, but today people would line up to be put in camps after a decade and a half of conditioning. [/quote]

Really valid points all around. Whether you buy infowars take on things or not, the reality is we are living the “slippery sloop” scenario. In 2001 I got told I was a commie-terrorist-SOB for speaking out (at a party)against the lock step support of the Patriot act, which in hindsight was minor compared to what we have these days. We voluntarily (as a society) surrendered our rights in trade for a sense of security, yet anyone determined enough could strike us the same as they did on 9/11…so what did we gain vs what did we loose? If we didn’t gain anything, who did?

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[quote]TheKraken wrote:
If we didn’t gain anything, who did? [/quote]

The people who have power and want to keep it that way.

Maybe im just an old man (31) but all these new “smart” products are insane to me. The idea of having everything i own connected to the internet is an open invitation to allow spying and control if need be. Our cell phones are nothing more than an voluntary monitoring chip we carry around as it is, why the fuck would i want my hot water tank connected to the internet?

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[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]TheKraken wrote:
If we didn’t gain anything, who did? [/quote]

The people who have power and want to keep it that way.

Maybe im just an old man (31) but all these new “smart” products are insane to me. The idea of having everything i own connected to the internet is an open invitation to allow spying and control if need be. Our cell phones are nothing more than an voluntary monitoring chip we carry around as it is, why the fuck would i want my hot water tank connected to the internet? [/quote]

Im 40 and I oscillate between delight at the near magic of technology and paranoia that all this convenience is in trade of surveillance and Control. In real life I am going through my annual “I want a Harley” phase. My dream bike comes with navigation. It seems sacrilegious to thunder down the open road with directions from a satellite…until I got lost. I wonder if “outlaw bikers” disable nav systems.

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[quote]TheKraken wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:

[quote]TheKraken wrote:
If we didn’t gain anything, who did? [/quote]

The people who have power and want to keep it that way.

Maybe im just an old man (31) but all these new “smart” products are insane to me. The idea of having everything i own connected to the internet is an open invitation to allow spying and control if need be. Our cell phones are nothing more than an voluntary monitoring chip we carry around as it is, why the fuck would i want my hot water tank connected to the internet? [/quote]

Im 40 and I oscillate between delight at the near magic of technology and paranoia that all this convenience is in trade of surveillance and Control. In real life I am going through my annual “I want a Harley” phase. My dream bike comes with navigation. It seems sacrilegious to thunder down the open road with directions from a satellite…until I got lost. I wonder if “outlaw bikers” disable nav systems.[/quote]

Outlaw bikers have an “area of operation” that they control and are familiar with, hence no need for navigation. When I ride, I usually take the time to stop under an overpass (or somewhere with some shade if possible) to take a sip of water and rest my ass for a little bit while I plot the next leg of my journey.

For various reasons, I am finding myself drifting toward “old” technology or “low tech”. My exception is my computer - I always want a very up to date and fast laptop so that I can run my anti-spyware and VPN and all that stuff without affecting my performance.

As for navigation, I’m fortunate enough to have grown up without it. So I actually have a fairly good sense of direction. My son, who is about to turn 18 and is driving now, is absolutely CLUELESS about where he is or how to get places without his phone for navigation. It’s downright sad - his friends are the same way, they just don’t know how to get anywhere on their own.

I’m starting to feel like an analog man in a digital world. But you know what? I like it. I like being able to do things in a more traditional way. It might take more effort, but it’s generally more “reliable” for the long term or in a grid down scenario.

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The more I read about this, the less and less I am comfortable with it…

And the government repeating “there is nothing to see here, these are not the droids you are looking for” the more I think this is the fucking driods we’re looking for.

Frogs in a pot, turning up the heat and all that.

But I’ve been told I’m dumb and obviously don’t understand the military for being cautious.