It's Who You Listen To

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i listen to C_C, thats it.

and even then, i listen to the great philosophy that you need to train for your body, no two people are the same, do what works for you and what you feel is right.

so even if someone says i should X amount of reps of G amount of sets i may do a few extra of either just because i feel ready for it.

i stopped reading articles on this site 6 months ago. logically, you cant spit out some new groundbreaking training method every week or whatever.

even the owner of Metroflex was interviewed and saying how Branch n Ronnie trained with pretty basic concepts, just heavy weight and lots of intensity.
Yeah, Ronnie is actually one of the few exceptions in that he had periods where he trained every muscle twice a week. Still, standard ramping to one top-set on almost everything, 3 exercises per muscle-group…
Most others do that and train everything once a week, that’s pretty much the norm.
You’d think that doing 2-3 exercises per muscle-group for 3-4 ramped sets(1 top set each) once per week for a total of 4-6 sessions would be well within the realm of possibility for most people on this forum…

I mean, just about any of CT’s bb programs have about 4 times the amount of work-sets…
Other people on here do 10*3 and what have you, all at the same weight and with 4-8 sessions a week and what not.

Amusing how few people even know that their training approach is far more extreme/far higher in volume than that of most pros all things considered…
Yet everyone goes on about how they could never handle pro-volume. Give me a break…

id rather listen to what a pro BBer has to say about being a pro BBer than a guy who read a couple textbooks about it.

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Exactly what I was thinking.

You know, I have never seen this pointed out before.

This is why I brought up the straight sets vs ramped sets discussion. Some pro’s type out their routine saying 4 sets, and people assume they are straight sets, which is a big difference from ramping to 1 top set.

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

Would be cool if I could find some material on what the top BB’rs today used to do earlier in their career also.[/quote]

You have been told over & over what they did…the type of work & diet that X did and everyone else that has made progress has done. Get strong on the basics to get big-eat for the size you want-get your rest. This is what lies at the core of EVERY bio. People who say different are either trying to sell you something or ignorant of the facts.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:

Would be cool if I could find some material on what the top BB’rs today used to do earlier in their career also.

You have been told over & over what they did…the type of work & diet that X did and everyone else that has made progress has done. Get strong on the basics to get big-eat for the size you want-get your rest. This is what lies at the core of EVERY bio. People who say different are either trying to sell you something or ignorant of the facts.

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Gee, no shit. I’m talking about their splits/sets/reps. Just because I’m interested in it. Not because I don’t know what to do.

Do I really need to explain that?

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:

Would be cool if I could find some material on what the top BB’rs today used to do earlier in their career also.

You have been told over & over what they did…the type of work & diet that X did and everyone else that has made progress has done. Get strong on the basics to get big-eat for the size you want-get your rest. This is what lies at the core of EVERY bio. People who say different are either trying to sell you something or ignorant of the facts.

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This couldnt have been said better. I don’t post much but I do listen to what all the big guys on this site preach, I think you would be stupid not to. If you look at the core, the heart of all of their philosophies its the same, its simple, its tried, and its true. What it comes down to is these methods have worked for 50 years, if it worked then, if it worked for them, then why wouldn’t it work for anyone else.

I dont consider myself big by any means but after three years of listening Prof X and CC and applying that methodology to what i practice, im 50 lbs heavier, and stronger than ever. I owe a lot to these guys, when they talk i listen, you dont have to listen to me, but when someone has achieved what you hope to, you would be stupid not to listen.

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:

Would be cool if I could find some material on what the top BB’rs today used to do earlier in their career also.

You have been told over & over what they did…the type of work & diet that X did and everyone else that has made progress has done. Get strong on the basics to get big-eat for the size you want-get your rest. This is what lies at the core of EVERY bio. People who say different are either trying to sell you something or ignorant of the facts.

Gee, no shit. I’m talking about their splits [/quote] 4-6-way splits…[quote]/sets [/quote] 3-4 total per exercise, ramped up [quote] /reps [/quote] Depends on the exercise. [quote]. Just because I’m interested in it. Not because I don’t know what to do.

Do I really need to explain that?
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There :slight_smile:

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Cool clip.

I think those who are willing to listen will and for those who won’t, it will be noticed in less than 5 minutes of talking to them. There is a mindset of damn common sense necessary for this lifestyle to actually create noticeable changes. The people who are interested will rise to the top on their own. Some are so resistant around here to actually listen that it feels like giving them advice is like pulling teeth. Needless to say, they will NOT be in this game for much longer.

I think the ones who understand Tate’s message and really GET his point are the ones who didn’t need to hear this clip in the first place.

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That applies to just about everything.

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I always imagined Dave Tate would sound more like an angry Grizzly Bear.

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From the video on success:

‘If hate is a value of yours, then fucking HATE everybody.’

Fuck that ‘To thine own self be true’ bullshit. Dave Tate beats Shakespeare any day.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I always imagined Dave Tate would sound more like an angry Grizzly Bear.[/quote]

Haha no shit, but he damn sure LOOKS like an angry Grizzly Bear

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Same for 98 percent of pros (though Matt goes lower in volume than the average BB pro). What do you think these people do? Endless work-sets, drop sets, forced reps, supersets(ha!), etc?

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A lot of the “Flex” routines do actually say things like “He does 3 drop sets followed by supersets” etc…but obviously those aren’t their typical routines

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

Same for 98 percent of pros (though Matt goes lower in volume than the average BB pro). What do you think these people do? Endless work-sets, drop sets, forced reps, supersets(ha!), etc?

A lot of the “Flex” routines do actually say things like “He does 3 drop sets followed by supersets” etc…but obviously those aren’t their typical routines

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Most of the mag stuff is ghost-written bs.

And still, a lot of the routines I’ve seen in there were just “3-4 exercises per bodypart, 3-4 sets per exercise, every muscle once a week…” (now you need some BB knowledge to figure out that those would be ramping sets if the routine was for real, but yeah).

Pros use intensity-techniques every now and again, but that seems to be more or less random…

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nice vid, but many of the people watching it thinking “yes, this is just the info I need” will have forgotten it in a couple of weeks and moved on to something else.

The biggest problem in weight training today (either for aesthetics or just strength) for MOST people is that they are unable to see that everything has pretty much already been done. This means that authors/coaches have to “invent” stuff which is not optimal in order to be different and confuses the hell out of people who are always looking for the magic bullet.

If you are a bodybuilder, do what successful bodybuilders are doing (as cc said above). Idem for powerlifters. Just stop over complicating the shit out of it, work hard and you quickly find out what works for you.

The best piece of advice I got was a couple of years ago.I was pissing about trying to build my squat by using a lot of pseudo-scientific methods (necessary to get to 5-6-700 maybe, but not for me looking for 400).
A guy I know who has been lifting for years said “just get stronger on 3s and 5s and you’ll soon be doing your max for 5s”.
You’ll never guess what happened after a couple of months of following that advice…

best, nico

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You mean, the piss drinking thing doesn’t work?

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The easiest ways to get training ideas is to take a bodybuilder you admire, type their name in youtube and watch exactly how they workout. No ghostwriting, no BS. Pure training.

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[quote]saroachman wrote:
You mean, the piss drinking thing doesn’t work?[/quote]

no one ever said that

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just to throw a monkey wrench into everything, being said i plan on switching up my quad exercises from 1 all out set of 6 then another of 20 to an all out set of 6 followed by a drop set, and then maybe a couple more working sets.

i did this last night and my legs felt brutal. i wanted to keep going but i kept myself from it b/c of all the “not going overboard” stuff ive been told.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
just to throw a monkey wrench into everything, being said i plan on switching up my quad exercises from 1 all out set of 6 then another of 20 to an all out set of 6 followed by a drop set, and then maybe a couple more working sets.

i did this last night and my legs felt brutal. i wanted to keep going but i kept myself from it b/c of all the “not going overboard” stuff ive been told.[/quote]

Let’s face it, the 20-rep set was too much for you, you little pussy :wink:

Oh well, as long as you keep progressing.

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[quote]Rhino Jockey wrote:
The easiest ways to get training ideas is to take a bodybuilder you admire, type their name in youtube and watch exactly how they workout. No ghostwriting, no BS. Pure training.[/quote]

Unfortunately most of the results you get are bodybuilders being featured several weeks prior to a contest, so it isn’t necessarily a very accurate portrayal of how they are training most of the time.

Semi-well known and pro bodybuilders have their own websites where they list their workout routines.

But in my experience the thing that worked for me was actually tracking down where my favorite bodybuilders were (what BB boards they posted on), and reading all of their posts to see what they are actually saying. (MD, MuscleMayhem, and ProMuscle are good for anyone looking to cyber stalk their favorite bodybuilder lol)

However, if you like guys like Branch Warren and Ronnie Coleman, their videos tend to be fairly accurate regardless of whether they’re preparing for a contest or are in full offseason mode.

Or, they used to do great Valeo features on a lot of guys, and Shawn Ray had his little show he always hosted with other bodybuilders like Levrone and I think even Frank Zane made an appearance. You can find all of that here:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tabyoul8&view=videos

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
just to throw a monkey wrench into everything, being said i plan on switching up my quad exercises from 1 all out set of 6 then another of 20 to an all out set of 6 followed by a drop set, and then maybe a couple more working sets.

i did this last night and my legs felt brutal. i wanted to keep going but i kept myself from it b/c of all the “not going overboard” stuff ive been told.

Let’s face it, the 20-rep set was too much for you, you little pussy :wink:

Oh well, as long as you keep progressing.[/quote]

actually what happened was i lost my logbook so i was doing a weight i thought i did before and got 6 reps out of but i got only 4 and ended up having to get out at the bottom position cause i couldnt get the weight up (which is why i love the Hack squat) so i said fuck it and took a plate off each side and grinded some more out. i got down to 2 plates or something and my legs were just feeling devastated so i decided itd be a good way to train for a bit. especially since ive heard a lot of guys on this site say that sometimes they do better in 20 rep range but sometimes they do better in the 6-10 range and it switches around for them.