breakfast looks good! interesting about ‘once it gets just over your breasts, beat it’. think i’m moving under too soon…
i’d be interested to know what happens with more weight, too. might be that that sorts out some of the things that are hard. might be that it doesn’t. but confidence in missing safely is good, too, so no harm and you do seem capable of powersnatching what you are currently snatching. bitch! just kidding. damn you are strong!
i think we just cross posted…
the guy who teaches at the school down the street seems promising. fingers crossed for you. i am starting to lament not having an in person coach, too 
i really really want one
i only get PB’s because i fuck up the math. i swear.
[quote]alexus wrote:
breakfast looks good! interesting about ‘once it gets just over your breasts, beat it’. think i’m moving under too soon…
i’d be interested to know what happens with more weight, too. might be that that sorts out some of the things that are hard. might be that it doesn’t. but confidence in missing safely is good, too, so no harm and you do seem capable of powersnatching what you are currently snatching. bitch! just kidding. damn you are strong![/quote]
Heh thanks. Maybe I need to powersnatch a bit if for no other reason than to get confident?
Lol! Yeah. By no means should anyone take my advice without any serious consideration - like i said, i’m just as much a newb. I’m just relaying info I’ve gleamed off my coach, but each of us is different! So what works for me may not work for you.
Breakfast looked great! YUM!
Even if you could get him to crtitique your form in person, that would be great! Hope that pans out.
so good to have lots of different ideas to try, though.
powersnatching might help…
i guess i was thinking that more weight might help you get down faster. because you would have to haul ass to get yourself under it since you wouldn’t be strong enough to powersnatch it.
that happened for me at 30kg. i can occasionally powersnatch 30kg now - but learning to get my ass down under 30kg was pretty monumental for me precisely because i wasn’t strong enough to pull it high and the only way i could complete the lift was to get under it. i’m not sure what weight that would mean for you…
yes, its scary.
teaches you to pull it hard though, too.
I just did snatches tonight and tried to go heavier. I went to 85lbs and it wasn’t pretty but it might count 
I strained my shoulder a little bit bringing in groceries (doh! it’s okay to bring them in more than one trip, idiot!) and I hope that’s not going to become a problem. Ironically I was hauling in a big thing of Epsom salts that I will need now.
Sundays workout:
snatch
bar
65x3
65x3
65x3
70x2
70x2
75x1
75x1
75x2
75x1
80x1
80x1
85x1 - sort of…
85x1 - still not good
85x0
The video is of the last 5 snatches 75,80,80,85,85 and you can see what I mean on those 85s lol
85 looks like a pretty easy powersnatch for you too, lol. what i’m thinking (though i could be wrong) is that at some point with the weight it will get heavy enough such that if you really pull the crap out of it hard as you can it will only get as high as your shoulders. once you realize that that is what is going to happen you won’t have any option but to race yourself down under it in order to make the lift.
i used to try and fatigue my arms with powersnatches first so that i could practice dropping quickly under as light a weight as i could get away with. it is just so hard to make the transition between really finishing the pull (which seems to require heavy weights) and really racing under the bar fast (which gets freaking terrifying with heavy weights until you gain some confidence in doing it). dunno, though.
Hi Deb congrats on the 200lbs squat!
I was looking at the last vid of yours I’m not sure but it looks like you may have gotten the bar up as high or even higher than with the lower weights initially, it seems like a shoving yourself under the bar problem or maybe you already knew that. Or a carrying the groceries in the house problem lol. Just my .02, I haven’t done any oly lifting in years though so no real advice on this. I like the vids and I am jealous of your home gym, I figure if I get rid of the loveseat, coffee table and tv I could fit a squat rack in my bachelor apartment.
I find irony that you can snatch 80+ pounds, but strain your shoulder bringing in groceries lol
I hope it’s not serious, and that the Epsom salts that caused this will help
That 200 lb squat really did look smooth and effortless. Nice job.
I do the same. Hard-headed and carry all the groceries at once. I’ve strained the tendons in my hands a few times. Nothing serious, but still stupid. I should save beating my body up for the gym and the office. In that order.
Sounds like your quads might be a bit congested. That’s what your description sounds like. Do you ever get body work? Has foam rolling helped?
Very jealous that you get to squat every day at home.
Looking great especially your upper back!
[quote]debraD wrote:
I think I’m having more wins with the squats and that’s why I’m liking them but I suppose I should be working on the things that I’m lacking!
Yeah the thinking thing totally messes with me. Once I miss badly I have a hard time getting the groove back.
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At the risk of contradicting an earlier post on squatting frequency, I am reminded of the words of Duane Hansen, “Some lifters may need extra work
on the squat and others will have
“enough” squat strength, at least for
what they are lifting right now. A good
coach will usually be able to steer you in
the right direction. The bottom line here
is that the squat is just an assistance
exercise. It is good to be stronger rather
than weaker, but if squatting too much is
holding back progress in the classical
lifts, it is too much of a good thing.”
and
“After a while a
lifter will become much more reliable on
how much weight they can lift in the
squat compared to what they can clean.
Repetition work (sets of 2 or 3 reps)
should be watched because it will be
easier at this point to do so much
squatting that everything else will start
to stagnate from the effort. A good idea
is to keep the total number of squats to
no more than the total number of clean
in a workout.”
I am in the same boat: while we always can/need to get stronger at this point in our lifting progress we have more than enough strength to do the classic lifts. Prioritization of weaknesses is necessary for progress (you know this already based on what you wrote above!).
Go ahead and keep pushing the heavy squats but be mindful IF they begin to interfere with your classic lifts.
If you’ve read any Donny Shankle at all you will know that you simply need to be fearless when taking max attempts and also be relentless. If your form totally breaks down after multiple max attempts maybe take one or two down weight attempts but try to get back up to max and LEARN how to lift a max attempt. I believe Mr. Shankle himself noted that you may have to miss a weight 20 or 30 times to finally get it on the 40th time (not all on the same day necessarily!) John Broz recounts a similar fight, taking over 20 attempts to finally get a 120 snatch and then immediately getting a 125 also!
onward and upward…
[quote]alexus wrote:
… what i’m thinking (though i could be wrong) is that at some point with the weight it will get heavy enough such that if you really pull the crap out of it hard as you can it will only get as high as your shoulders. once you realize that that is what is going to happen you won’t have any option but to race yourself down under it in order to make the lift.
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Great advise Alexus! I had another lifter/coach of 40 years tell me that once the weight gets heavy enough you will HAVE to get under it faster (retreat the hips as Pendlay/McCauley like to say). Just remember to use use your arms to push UNDER the bar - as much as the hips have to retreat fast you still have to be aggressive in the catch!
Koing likes to have lifters stand up on their toes (no bar) and squat down as fast as they can - then realize they need to never be slower than that when getting under the bar!
Alexus,
You mentioned earlier you thought you weren’t finishing your pull - if you have access to blocks try snatching from blocks mid-thigh - you will have to pull hard and finish from this dead stop or you won’t make the lift!
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
[quote]alexus wrote:
… what i’m thinking (though i could be wrong) is that at some point with the weight it will get heavy enough such that if you really pull the crap out of it hard as you can it will only get as high as your shoulders. once you realize that that is what is going to happen you won’t have any option but to race yourself down under it in order to make the lift.
[/quote]
Great advise Alexus! I had another lifter/coach of 40 years tell me that once the weight gets heavy enough you will HAVE to get under it faster (retreat the hips as Pendlay/McCauley like to say). Just remember to use use your arms to push UNDER the bar - as much as the hips have to retreat fast you still have to be aggressive in the catch!
Koing likes to have lifters stand up on their toes (no bar) and squat down as fast as they can - then realize they need to never be slower than that when getting under the bar!
Alexus,
You mentioned earlier you thought you weren’t finishing your pull - if you have access to blocks try snatching from blocks mid-thigh - you will have to pull hard and finish from this dead stop or you won’t make the lift![/quote]
Another good one is to load up the bar a bit and attempt to snatch from a short hang. You’ll have to put everything into it to get it high enough AND probably have to dive low to catch it. You’ll miss a few, but you can always back off on weight if it happens too much.
Thanks for all the great feedback guys! I’m going to get it soon I swear! Charlie thanks!
I think Alexus said what’s pretty much going on.
Problem now though is my shoulder is hurting…grrrr. I can barely raise it with my arm in front of me today. I can raise it to the side or about 45 degrees from at the side but straight in front is not good. Nikki, I used the salts this morning lol.
My coworkers have been nailing me with mini soccer balls all morning because I can’t fend them off. Opportunists!
Veggie, I’m terrible at foam rolling but I’ve been using a broomstick on my quads. I’m thinking of booking a massage soon. The guy I go to really works me hard, which I really like, but I get DOMS from it and can’t lift the next day. But it is sooooo good.
[quote]debraD wrote:
My coworkers have been nailing me with mini soccer balls all morning because I can’t fend them off. Opportunists!
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Geeky software developers!
NewWorldMan, yeah I’ve been thinking about that. Right now it seems like squatting at the end of my workout and not really pushing too hard for PRs isn’t taking away from my other lifts. As the other lifts get better, I’ll have to decide if it’s time to change things. My lifts are so low weight wise that they’re not really utilizing my squat strength I don’t think. I do get fatigued doing cleans and jerks but not in my legs but my wrists and arms. I suspect once my form is better that will change. Snatches I seem to have an unlimited supply for and I have to make myself move on so I have time for cleans before hunger takes over.
I hope I’m getting over the mental hurdles! It feels like it…
[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
My coworkers have been nailing me with mini soccer balls all morning because I can’t fend them off. Opportunists!
[/quote]
Geeky software developers!
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hah at least they’re throwing plush items instead of harder office supplies =D We’re stocked up with toys because we’ll just make toys if we’re not.
Unfortunately, I have no constrictive OLY advice, but I do like to come and watch your vids.
And congrats on the big squat number!
Hope the shoulder is feeling better.
Thanks Powerpuff! I’ll keep posting the vids then 
The shoulder was killing me by lunch but it just an annoyance now. A day or two off of snatches and c&j will hopefully allow me to heal.
Playoffs are on now…there goes my lifting routine! lol
After yesterday and feeling like I just need more balls I really want to lift tonight so the sore shoulder sucks! Soon…