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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Brandon Lilly article at JTS strength, made me think of your deadlifting style, I didn’t want to post the whole article here, but it might be worth a read for you, as it seems you have the same style. I threw a little piece of it here, and the title. Latter
Improving your Deadlift Lockout

After you have identified how you are going to pull, you need to understand how each will effect your lockout. Round back pullers (like myself) usually have massive explosive power off the floor. However, the knees, and hips tend to lock fairly early leaving some extra strain on the lower back to finish. Whereas, a straight back puller usually sacrifices some speed from the floor but ends up in a better position to uniformly lockout the legs, and back at the same time. Whatever the result is with how you pull, you need to look at your lift as a ?whole?, not just where you are weak within the lift. One problem people have when trying to identify[/quote]

I think the reason people like Lily, Lilliebridges, and Koklyaev have such consistent progress is because they actually train with proper form. Form is subjective, but look at the likes of Hickson and Pete Rubish. They yank the bar off the floor in the most absurd fashion possible. Then their achilles tendon ends up in their ass or what have you, and they then proceed to attempt a 987lb box squat.

What’s important to glean from that is that it’s important to learn how to properly engage certain muscle patterns so that they can grow. If you yank the bar off the floor with no mind of engagement of glutes and hamstrings through torque off the floor, what’s growing? Maybe your nervous systems ability to be acute and virile, but how far does that go? I personally think the yanking thing works for you Chris, but a few adjustments, that you need to figure out on your own, could totally mean the difference between you pulling low 5s and 600!

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[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Brandon Lilly article at JTS strength, made me think of your deadlifting style, I didn’t want to post the whole article here, but it might be worth a read for you, as it seems you have the same style. I threw a little piece of it here, and the title. Latter
Improving your Deadlift Lockout

After you have identified how you are going to pull, you need to understand how each will effect your lockout. Round back pullers (like myself) usually have massive explosive power off the floor. However, the knees, and hips tend to lock fairly early leaving some extra strain on the lower back to finish. Whereas, a straight back puller usually sacrifices some speed from the floor but ends up in a better position to uniformly lockout the legs, and back at the same time. Whatever the result is with how you pull, you need to look at your lift as a ?whole?, not just where you are weak within the lift. One problem people have when trying to identify[/quote]

I think the reason people like Lily, Lilliebridges, and Koklyaev have such consistent progress is because they actually train with proper form. Form is subjective, but look at the likes of Hickson and Pete Rubish. They yank the bar off the floor in the most absurd fashion possible. Then their achilles tendon ends up in their ass or what have you, and they then proceed to attempt a 987lb box squat.

What’s important to glean from that is that it’s important to learn how to properly engage certain muscle patterns so that they can grow. If you yank the bar off the floor with no mind of engagement of glutes and hamstrings through torque off the floor, what’s growing? Maybe your nervous systems ability to be acute and virile, but how far does that go? I personally think the yanking thing works for you Chris, but a few adjustments, that you need to figure out on your own, could totally mean the difference between you pulling low 5s and 600![/quote]

This kid in the gym the other day told me that I was deadlifting wrong, and that I was almost squatting the bar off the floor. I have been working on engaging my back sooner in the lift so that I can stay upright, and really use the largest muscles of my body to perform the lift while keeping the weight centered/pulling it back. This is in my attempt to be able to lock out more weight. I looked over, and while he was strong, maybe stronger than I, he was pretty much doing stiff legs.

That is not how I want to deadlift haha.

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[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Brandon Lilly article at JTS strength, made me think of your deadlifting style, I didn’t want to post the whole article here, but it might be worth a read for you, as it seems you have the same style. I threw a little piece of it here, and the title. Latter
Improving your Deadlift Lockout

After you have identified how you are going to pull, you need to understand how each will effect your lockout. Round back pullers (like myself) usually have massive explosive power off the floor. However, the knees, and hips tend to lock fairly early leaving some extra strain on the lower back to finish. Whereas, a straight back puller usually sacrifices some speed from the floor but ends up in a better position to uniformly lockout the legs, and back at the same time. Whatever the result is with how you pull, you need to look at your lift as a ?whole?, not just where you are weak within the lift. One problem people have when trying to identify[/quote]

I think the reason people like Lily, Lilliebridges, and Koklyaev have such consistent progress is because they actually train with proper form. Form is subjective, but look at the likes of Hickson and Pete Rubish. They yank the bar off the floor in the most absurd fashion possible. Then their achilles tendon ends up in their ass or what have you, and they then proceed to attempt a 987lb box squat.

What’s important to glean from that is that it’s important to learn how to properly engage certain muscle patterns so that they can grow. If you yank the bar off the floor with no mind of engagement of glutes and hamstrings through torque off the floor, what’s growing? Maybe your nervous systems ability to be acute and virile, but how far does that go? I personally think the yanking thing works for you Chris, but a few adjustments, that you need to figure out on your own, could totally mean the difference between you pulling low 5s and 600![/quote]

This kid in the gym the other day told me that I was deadlifting wrong, and that I was almost squatting the bar off the floor. I have been working on engaging my back sooner in the lift so that I can stay upright, and really use the largest muscles of my body to perform the lift while keeping the weight centered/pulling it back. This is in my attempt to be able to lock out more weight. I looked over, and while he was strong, maybe stronger than I, he was pretty much doing stiff legs.

That is not how I want to deadlift haha.[/quote]

I’m the opposite man. I’m stronger stiffer legged. I really have to engage the glutes hard off the floor, because I’m super weak at the start. If I go upright, my hips just shoot up and floor speed is non-existent. It’s weird, some people say sitting back with leg drive helps floor speed, but it just impedes my strength. If gotta find a mix between stiff leg and sitting back. But it just shows following textbook form is really not good and is why so many people get injured. I once tried to pull like KK…and uh…sacroilliac injury that follows me around everywhere lol.

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[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]strongmanvinny wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Brandon Lilly article at JTS strength, made me think of your deadlifting style, I didn’t want to post the whole article here, but it might be worth a read for you, as it seems you have the same style. I threw a little piece of it here, and the title. Latter
Improving your Deadlift Lockout

After you have identified how you are going to pull, you need to understand how each will effect your lockout. Round back pullers (like myself) usually have massive explosive power off the floor. However, the knees, and hips tend to lock fairly early leaving some extra strain on the lower back to finish. Whereas, a straight back puller usually sacrifices some speed from the floor but ends up in a better position to uniformly lockout the legs, and back at the same time. Whatever the result is with how you pull, you need to look at your lift as a ?whole?, not just where you are weak within the lift. One problem people have when trying to identify[/quote]

I think the reason people like Lily, Lilliebridges, and Koklyaev have such consistent progress is because they actually train with proper form. Form is subjective, but look at the likes of Hickson and Pete Rubish. They yank the bar off the floor in the most absurd fashion possible. Then their achilles tendon ends up in their ass or what have you, and they then proceed to attempt a 987lb box squat.

What’s important to glean from that is that it’s important to learn how to properly engage certain muscle patterns so that they can grow. If you yank the bar off the floor with no mind of engagement of glutes and hamstrings through torque off the floor, what’s growing? Maybe your nervous systems ability to be acute and virile, but how far does that go? I personally think the yanking thing works for you Chris, but a few adjustments, that you need to figure out on your own, could totally mean the difference between you pulling low 5s and 600![/quote]

This kid in the gym the other day told me that I was deadlifting wrong, and that I was almost squatting the bar off the floor. I have been working on engaging my back sooner in the lift so that I can stay upright, and really use the largest muscles of my body to perform the lift while keeping the weight centered/pulling it back. This is in my attempt to be able to lock out more weight. I looked over, and while he was strong, maybe stronger than I, he was pretty much doing stiff legs.

That is not how I want to deadlift haha.[/quote]

I’m the opposite man. I’m stronger stiffer legged. I really have to engage the glutes hard off the floor, because I’m super weak at the start. If I go upright, my hips just shoot up and floor speed is non-existent. It’s weird, some people say sitting back with leg drive helps floor speed, but it just impedes my strength. If gotta find a mix between stiff leg and sitting back. But it just shows following textbook form is really not good and is why so many people get injured. I once tried to pull like KK…and uh…sacroilliac injury that follows me around everywhere lol.
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I seem to feel better with more upright pulls. My big thing is that as long as your hips don’t jump up to start the rep, I think that is pretty good. Back angle is a very personal thing that does depend on your levers though.

I personally don’t see a ton of difference between my numbers with both, but I am coming from the other end as you (hips lower but working toward the middle rather than hips higher and working toward the middle). I need to find the perfect angle for me though, because I do feel that I will be strongest somewhere in the middle.

KK is inhuman.

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[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Of a much more interesting note, for the people in my log who may remember this person, I saw waylanderxx at the Rush today. First time I’d seen him in years. Yes he is still a monster.[/quote]

Does he still post on here?[/quote]
He’s not allowed.

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12/23/2013

Bench:
135 15x (I normally warm up with the bar, but someone had left 45’s on, and I was too lazy to take them off)
135 10x
185 5x
225 5x
275 2x
315 1x
335 1x
350 1x PR. Butt came up a bit so don’t count it if you don’t want to, I don’t give a shit; all that matters is the paused bench in a meet anyhow. It was fast regardless. This is just something I needed to do for my own sanity to prove to myself that I could. It has been ages and ages since I took a max single on tng bench.

Slingshot Bench:
365 2x
385 1x smoked, should try 4 plates soon

Paused Bench:
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x such easy. much fast. very pause.

I’m actually more stoked about the paused 5x5 with 275 than the 350. Those reps were all so solid and fast with long pauses, and my butt never even thought about coming off the bench on any of them. That’s the best way to train, where you can dominate a weight.

DB Seated OHP:
70’s 5x
90’s 0x …pretend that didn’t happen
70’s 12x
70’s 12x
70’s 12x

Weighted Dips:
+90lbs 10x
+90lbs 12x I think that might be a PR lol
+90lbs 12x

DB Skullcrushers:
40’s 10x
40’s 10x
30’s 10x

Pushdowns w/ Monster Mini Band in each hand:
4 sets of 15-20

Cable Flies:
6 sets of 10

Lateral Raises:
40’s 10x
40’s 10x
30’s 10x
30’s 10x

Cable Lateral Raises:
4 sets of 10

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[quote]csulli wrote:
12/23/2013

Bench:
135 15x (I normally warm up with the bar, but someone had left 45’s on, and I was too lazy to take them off)
135 10x
185 5x
225 5x
275 2x
315 1x
335 1x
350 1x PR. Butt came up a bit so don’t count it if you don’t want to, I don’t give a shit; all that matters is the paused bench in a meet anyhow. It was fast regardless. This is just something I needed to do for my own sanity to prove to myself that I could. It has been ages and ages since I took a max single on tng bench.

Slingshot Bench:
365 2x
385 1x smoked, should try 4 plates soon

Paused Bench:
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x
275 5x such easy. much fast. very pause.

I’m actually more stoked about the paused 5x5 with 275 than the 350. Those reps were all so solid and fast with long pauses, and my butt never even thought about coming off the bench on any of them. That’s the best way to train, where you can dominate a weight.

DB Seated OHP:
70’s 5x
90’s 0x …pretend that didn’t happen
70’s 12x
70’s 12x
70’s 12x

Weighted Dips:
+90lbs 10x
+90lbs 12x I think that might be a PR lol
+90lbs 12x

DB Skullcrushers:
40’s 10x
40’s 10x
30’s 10x

Pushdowns w/ Monster Mini Band in each hand:
4 sets of 15-20

Cable Flies:
6 sets of 10

Lateral Raises:
40’s 10x
40’s 10x
30’s 10x
30’s 10x

Cable Lateral Raises:
4 sets of 10[/quote]

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[quote]csulli wrote:
12/23/2013

such easy. much fast. very pause.

[/quote]

such PR. no vid? much disappoint.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Of a much more interesting note, for the people in my log who may remember this person, I saw waylanderxx at the Rush today. First time I’d seen him in years. Yes he is still a monster.[/quote]

Does he still post on here?[/quote]
He’s not allowed.[/quote]

I don’t understand why. Did he do something bad?

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Of a much more interesting note, for the people in my log who may remember this person, I saw waylanderxx at the Rush today. First time I’d seen him in years. Yes he is still a monster.[/quote]

Does he still post on here?[/quote]
He’s not allowed.[/quote]
Nor does he want to unless to be a dick.

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[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Of a much more interesting note, for the people in my log who may remember this person, I saw waylanderxx at the Rush today. First time I’d seen him in years. Yes he is still a monster.[/quote]

Does he still post on here?[/quote]
He’s not allowed.[/quote]

I don’t understand why. Did he do something bad?[/quote]
I actually don’t either, but I think so.

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much bench pr
so strength
very power

573

Such children. Much please.

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Too much doge.

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DOGEY WALKER TEXAS RANGO

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The day after I challenge you to a bench race to 365, and you hit 350 in training, fuck you :slight_smile: I was about to allow myself to take the week between Christmas, and New Years off, as a deload figuring I earned it, so much for that idea. Thanks for ruining my fucking Christmas holidays !

Oh ya, I got 300x1 at the end of my incline cycle, hense the delaod, but I guess it’s straight back to the bar, and a 6week bench cycle, oh well, straight back to the bar, used to mean something different in my world, so I guess I should be grateful for the motivation----New Years resolution, Bench 365x1 by Feb 1st ( ass on the bench ) LOL Goodluck

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
The day after I challenge you to a bench race to 365, and you hit 350 in training, fuck you :)[/quote]
Reading that just made me realize that I hit 365 2 damn years ago lol. I’m obviously stronger now than I was then, but I should’ve been messing with some bigger numbers by now. I’ve been dillydallying with pretty much everything (not just my lifts) too much. God damn. Time is strong incentive.

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1360×672 42.8 KB

:slight_smile:

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
The day after I challenge you to a bench race to 365, and you hit 350 in training, fuck you :slight_smile: I was about to allow myself to take the week between Christmas, and New Years off, as a deload figuring I earned it, so much for that idea. Thanks for ruining my fucking Christmas holidays !

Oh ya, I got 300x1 at the end of my incline cycle, hense the delaod, but I guess it’s straight back to the bar, and a 6week bench cycle, oh well, straight back to the bar, used to mean something different in my world, so I guess I should be grateful for the motivation----New Years resolution, Bench 365x1 by Feb 1st ( ass on the bench ) LOL Goodluck[/quote]
Hahaha glad I could help!

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
The day after I challenge you to a bench race to 365, and you hit 350 in training, fuck you :)[/quote]
Reading that just made me realize that I hit 365 2 damn years ago lol. I’m obviously stronger now than I was then, but I should’ve been messing with some bigger numbers by now. I’ve been dillydallying with pretty much everything (not just my lifts) too much. God damn. Time is strong incentive.[/quote]
Get more consistent if you can dude. We all want to see you display the kind of strength you’re truly capable of.