[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
at any rate, i fail to see how training with the system that’s always brought me the best progress can be considered not training “smart”. just sayin.
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Would you mind giving us a little more information about what you mean when you say “the best progress”
What kind of progress have you made? What are some current lifting stats? Pics?[/quote]
I Sorta do TBT 4x a week
Mine looks like this
Mon Deadlift(reps)or chest suported row ,C+P, OH tricep lockous, DB row
Wed Zercher squat moderate weight or leg press, bench, heavy leg curls, push press, weighted sit-ups
Thrus Deadlift(heavy), Farmers walk, row variation, curl variation, weighted sit-ups
Sat Squat, C+P, Farmers walk(distance), bench, GHR, Curl variation.
It can be done I reccomend some wrist wraps and elbow wraps to use on keavy sets. I myself use wrist wraps on heay push press and bench
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
at any rate, i fail to see how training with the system that’s always brought me the best progress can be considered not training “smart”. just sayin.
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Would you mind giving us a little more information about what you mean when you say “the best progress”
What kind of progress have you made? What are some current lifting stats? Pics?[/quote]
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Ah, yes. I remember that thread well. Unanimously, we all came to the conclusion that TBT is far superior to splits given Mr. Shumsky’s tremendous progress.
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
key word: might.
so, i realize it’s hugely unpopular around here to do total body workouts. i couldn’t care less. i’ve gotten my best results with them, so that’s what i usually do. anyway, on to my point.
i’ve recently started to experience what i can only describe as joint pain… primarily in the elbows and wrists. i know that this can be an unwelcome side effect of such a high frequency of training, and am simply wondering if anyone has experienced this type of thing before, and how they dealt with it.
i’m really only assuming that this pain is being caused by my training schedule, as i’ve read about this type of thing being fairly common when training exceeds the 3x or 4x per week mark.
as such, possible solutions that i’ve come up with so far include:
a.) doing a total body workout every other day instead of every day
b.) moving to a two way split (most likely lower/upper) and still training every day
c.) getting a new hobby (just kidding)
any constructive comments are welcome.
key word: constructive.[/quote]
After reading some of your old thread, I will throw you a bone here.
First, have your lifts changed since the last time you posted pics? Have you gotten heavier/Stronger? Do you have any vids? Its a bit tough to give internet advice without some kind of evidence of where exactly you are. Also, exactly what are your long term goals? Do you wish to stay the midget that we saw in that earlier thread, or do you actually want to gain size/get stonger? There is not much inherently wrong with either goal mind you, but if you want the former, why post in a forum where the main goal is to become huge?
At one time, I had the mindset that I was a lazy bastard if I wasn’t hitting the weights every day also, and like you, I hit a wall. Where that wall is varies, but at some point, you simply cannot train EVERY DAY without significant rest and expect to make progress, especially if TBT is your chosen approach. To put it simply, if you are not progressing in strength/size, you are exceeding your bodies ability to recover or not eating/sleeping enough. I am reasonably certain that you will make progress if you add in some rest/eat more. Both would probably be best though.
In regards to your joint pain, this may be a form issue, but none of us can really offer much advice on this that is worthwhile unless we can get some vids of you lifting. For generic stuff, try fish oils, or more fish oils if you are already taking them. This has helped me with joint pain in the past. A good set of wrist wraps and elbow sleeves may help also.
[quote]joe shumsky wrote:
clean and jerk
jump
c. muscle up
c. chest press
c. row
c. incline press
c. incline pulldown
c. decline press
c. decline row
calves
abs
neck
forearms
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What is a cable muscle up?
How long does this workout take you?
How much can you clean and jerk?
first of all, i’m a bit shocked this thread is still going…
secondly, i’m not at all surprised to find the usual armchair internet experts/losers talking trash within it.
thirdly, i’ll attempt to answer some of the actual “questions” that were asked.
i use dumbbells for the clean and jerk, and my gym only has them up to 80 lbs. so, as an axample of the weights i’m currently using, i can get the 75s… but not the 80s. not yet, that is. i will.
i’ve found that, while i can do regular muscle ups, i cannot do them if i do the clean and jerk first in the workout (because it’s quite exhausting, frankly.) so i’ve kind of invented a maneuver on the cables that is as close to a reasonable fascimile of the exercise as you’re likely to find. it is kind of hard to explain, but picture standing with your arms fully extended above you, holding the handles inside of a cable crossover. you then proceed to cheat the weight down with a pulldown motion aided by your legs, and then cheat it down again into a dip position (again with the help of your legs.) it is a strange exercise, i agree… but it compliments the clean and jerk nicely, as it’s basically exactly the opposite in nature (and it’s actually given me a decent lat taper, as well… relatively speaking, of course.)
the entire workout takes about an hour or so, depending on how many reps i do. i’ve been doing sets of singles, doubles, triples, and quadruples. i rest as little as possible between sets.
in the way of miscellaneous stats, i can tell you that i have deadlifted 405, have done 19 consecutive dead hang pullups, and have run 3 miles in less than 18 minutes… for whatever that is worth to anyone.
and just for the sake of giving a little more background, i’ll have you know that i weighed, quite literally, 100 lbs when i was a sophomore in high school (right around the time i started lifting weights.) i weighed 142 lbs as of this morning (at a height of 5’4", mind you.) so, if my calculations are correct, that’s roughly 42 lbs of muscle gained since i started training.
i’m sorry i started much lighter than alot of you… and i’m sorry i don’t weigh as much as you now… i’m sorry if this isn’t enough for you…
well, actually, strike that. i’m not sorry one bit. i’m just trying to do the best i can with what little i obviously have. some of you should do the same. fact of the matter is, i feel sorry FOR alot of you.
long story short, thank you for the constructive responses and questions.
fuck the haters.
that is all.