Israel Will Strike

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

This statement is the problem with you and other ideologues. You and other commentators on the right are quick to vilify the Muslim Brotherhood based on nothing more than political statements made by the affiliation that you deem “extremist.” Last I checked the Muslim Brotherhood has yet to completely rule the Egyptian government and kill its own people to the capacity of what Hosni Mubarak did. Obama invited the MB because they were a more accurate representation of Egyptians. You’re being ignorant every time you talk about Egypt. You have not talked to Egyptians and you do not understand their perspective on issues.

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Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood recently led prayers for more than a million followers in Tahrir square and said: “Throughtout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”

I understand that you claim to believe I’ve misjudged the Muslim Brotherhood. I understand what you really believe now. Thanks for your input.[/quote]

Yawn…

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Iran, meanwhile, claimed Israel was targeting its own diplomats in Bangkok to “harm the friendly and historic relations between Iran and Thailand.”

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/February/Thai-Official-Iranians-Targeted-Israelis/[/quote]

LOL…do all of these dictatorships share the same loony PR guy?
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Don`t know, is it the same one the US used on these Ambassador assassination plot idiocy?

If so, that guy gets around.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Pretty much echoes everything I’ve said in this thread.[/quote]

Although I wouldn’t discount the effectiveness of an Israeli strike buying us time for sanctions to really bite, this article pretty much confirms what I’ve been thinking. Bombing is not going to be the best way to take out the Iranian nuclear program.

“Most experts argue that Iranian scientists now possess enough technological know-how so that no air campaign, not even sustained bombing by U.S. forces, could destroy Iran’s ability to someday produce a nuclear weapon should it choose to do so.”

The easiest way to decisively put an end to the Iranian problem will be a ground invasion. Interestingly enough in recent months we have been building up our troop levels in the Persian gulf to a high enough level that we could invade.

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Brikkaty, brackity, bruckaty, BROKE!

Was that Disney enough for you or would you prefer if I made some memes with Sesame street characters?

Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

I’ll take the word of the former Director of the CIA and the current head of the National Intelligence Agency over a journalist’s trying to sell books or an alleged spy confirmed as such by anonymous, ambiguous sources.[/quote]

+1
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Hey GL. What is it that they disagree on? I can’t find anything in that article that has anything whatsover to do with Ignatius or Kahlili or anything to do with Kahlili’s claims. What is the connection?

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'Officials in key parts of the Obama administration are increasingly convinced that sanctions will not deter Tehran from pursuing its nuclear programme, and believe that the US will be left with no option but to launch an attack on Iran or watch Israel do so.

The president has made clear in public, and in private to Israel, that he is determined to give sufficient time for recent measures, such as the financial blockade and the looming European oil embargo, to bite deeper into Iran’s already battered economy before retreating from its principal strategy to pressure Tehran.

But there is a strong current of opinion within the administration including in the Pentagon and the state department - that believes sanctions are doomed to fail, and that their principal use now is in delaying Israeli military action, as well as reassuring Europe that an attack will only come after other means have been tested.

UK Guardian no less.

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Senate backs military force to stop Iran from getting nukes.

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My honest opinion:

Israel will WANT (not will for certain) to conduct a bombing raid in Autumn 2012. Such a bombing raid so close to the presidentail elections would force Obama to nail his colours to the mast to support Israel - whereas up until now, Netanyahu’s been on a leash

Obama is well aware that a potential gas hike and perceived potential vacillation weeks before the election plays right into the republican’s hands and makes him look like Jimmy Carter mk ii. This would give a good points rush to the Republican candidates who have all promised military action re: IRan.

Obama will beg/plead with Israel to postpone the strike, to give the economic recovery some momentum in return for concessions on Israel’s domestic policy. This, if he’s lucky will postpone a strike till 2013.

Either way, buckle up. Iran just announced oil sanctions on the Uk and France (less than 1% of our exports but we’ll see how the markets take it)

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[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

orion, get the facts straight.

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Lol nobody is bombing anyone, this is about selling arms and fighter jets to neighbouring countries and Russia doing the same with Iran and Syria. It’s boring. Nobody is nuking anyone especially the Iranians, it would be a pointless venture.

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If Iran continues on it’s current course, Iran’s Nuclear facilities and support structures will be attacked with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
If Iran continues on it’s current course, Iran’s Nuclear facilities and support structures will be attacked with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons.

Mufasa[/quote]
I disagree, Iran will not be bombed for pursuing nuclear energy.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Pretty much echoes everything I’ve said in this thread.[/quote]

Although I wouldn’t discount the effectiveness of an Israeli strike buying us time for sanctions to really bite, this article pretty much confirms what I’ve been thinking. Bombing is not going to be the best way to take out the Iranian nuclear program.

“Most experts argue that Iranian scientists now possess enough technological know-how so that no air campaign, not even sustained bombing by U.S. forces, could destroy Iran’s ability to someday produce a nuclear weapon should it choose to do so.”

The easiest way to decisively put an end to the Iranian problem will be a ground invasion. Interestingly enough in recent months we have been building up our troop levels in the Persian gulf to a high enough level that we could invade.

[/quote]

Brikkaty, brackity, bruckaty, BROKE!

Was that Disney enough for you or would you prefer if I made some memes with Sesame street characters?

Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

This ain’t a Disney fantasy we are talking about. This is a very serious business that needs to be handled definitively. A ground invasion combined with air strikes would be the easiest way to make sure we completely dismantled the Iranian nuclear program and left them with nothing to work with. Plus we could achieve other goals as well.

We have over a 100,000 troops in the region right now. That’s not much less than what we steam rolled over the Iraqi’s with and back then our equipment was inferior to what we have now.

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[quote]Bambi wrote:
My honest opinion:

Israel will WANT (not will for certain) to conduct a bombing raid in Autumn 2012. Such a bombing raid so close to the presidentail elections would force Obama to nail his colours to the mast to support Israel - whereas up until now, Netanyahu’s been on a leash

Obama is well aware that a potential gas hike and perceived potential vacillation weeks before the election plays right into the republican’s hands and makes him look like Jimmy Carter mk ii. This would give a good points rush to the Republican candidates who have all promised military action re: IRan.

Obama will beg/plead with Israel to postpone the strike, to give the economic recovery some momentum in return for concessions on Israel’s domestic policy. This, if he’s lucky will postpone a strike till 2013.

Either way, buckle up. Iran just announced oil sanctions on the Uk and France (less than 1% of our exports but we’ll see how the markets take it)[/quote]

The Israelis aren’t going to wait until after the election and take a chance on getting the support of a lame duck president who was extremely reluctant to support them when he still needed the Jewish vote to get reelected.

The Israelis also have to take into consideration that if they wait much longer the Iranians are going to have enough of the program fortified underground to be immune from an air strike. Which means it may happen before the autumn.

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[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Lol nobody is bombing anyone, this is about selling arms and fighter jets to neighbouring countries and Russia doing the same with Iran and Syria. It’s boring. Nobody is nuking anyone especially the Iranians, it would be a pointless venture. [/quote]

You are projecting how you would think onto the Iranians. You should study up on the history of that region and understand how people in that part of the world think.

A good place to start would be the Bar Kokhbah rebellion. Where a messianic doomsday cult of fanatical Jews known as the Zealots led the Israelites into an uprising against the Romans believing it would bring on the return of the messiah and he would save them. It resulted in over a million dead Jews, the Zealots committing mass suicide after being cornered on top of Mount Masada and for the rest of the Jews expulsion from their homeland for 1900 years.

The Iranian Twelvers have an almost identical belief in a messiah known as the Mahdi and they are at least just as insane as the Zealots were. There is no people in the world who could possibly have a better understanding of just how dangerous the Twelvers are than the Israelis.

If the Israelis are the ones who have to do the deed it won’t surprise me if they use a combination of bunker buster bombs to open the door to the underground facilities, followed by a tactical nuke to make sure there is nothing salvageable left behind.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

orion, get the facts straight.[/quote]

Does he not?

One of them does!

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[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Pretty much echoes everything I’ve said in this thread.[/quote]

Although I wouldn’t discount the effectiveness of an Israeli strike buying us time for sanctions to really bite, this article pretty much confirms what I’ve been thinking. Bombing is not going to be the best way to take out the Iranian nuclear program.

“Most experts argue that Iranian scientists now possess enough technological know-how so that no air campaign, not even sustained bombing by U.S. forces, could destroy Iran’s ability to someday produce a nuclear weapon should it choose to do so.”

The easiest way to decisively put an end to the Iranian problem will be a ground invasion. Interestingly enough in recent months we have been building up our troop levels in the Persian gulf to a high enough level that we could invade.

[/quote]

Brikkaty, brackity, bruckaty, BROKE!

Was that Disney enough for you or would you prefer if I made some memes with Sesame street characters?

Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

This ain’t a Disney fantasy we are talking about. This is a very serious business that needs to be handled definitively. A ground invasion combined with air strikes would be the easiest way to make sure we completely dismantled the Iranian nuclear program and left them with nothing to work with. Plus we could achieve other goals as well.

We have over a 100,000 troops in the region right now. That’s not much less than what we steam rolled over the Iraqi’s with and back then our equipment was inferior to what we have now. [/quote]

I totally agree.

This is serious business.

If you are broke, pretending to be an empire does not help.

No dinero, no tango…

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Sifu, with all due respect I am of Iranian heritage so I don’t really need a lesson on some writings about fanatical morons that don’t make up the majority of Iran.
These are all games, political games. In the process Iran may or may not acquire the ability to have nuclear energy along with a nuclear warhead. Politics is a dirty business and always has been especially with regards to the middle east and Iran.
Iran is currently being run by a bunch of retarded monkeys but then again so are half the other countries in and around that region.
We lead relatively simple lives in the west and we take many things we hear and read as true, if you could actually have listened to or read the news and maybe even propaganda from the Iranian side as opposed to just ours and seen the discrepancies you would be in a better position to make a judgement as to what is going on.
It’s an ugly situation but if I had to put my money on it, I wouldn’t put it on any bombings. Yes it’s getting a little more serious, we’re being sold this whole urgency of a nuclear Iran and the threat blaa blaa but it’s all just political fun and games and a nice way of making a few bob from selling jets and the like.
Anyways, I don’t mean to belittle anyones opinion and I may well be completely wrong, who knows, none of us have a crystal ball.
Peace.

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:
Lol nobody is bombing anyone, this is about selling arms and fighter jets to neighbouring countries and Russia doing the same with Iran and Syria. It’s boring. Nobody is nuking anyone especially the Iranians, it would be a pointless venture. [/quote]

You are projecting how you would think onto the Iranians. You should study up on the history of that region and understand how people in that part of the world think.

A good place to start would be the Bar Kokhbah rebellion. Where a messianic doomsday cult of fanatical Jews known as the Zealots led the Israelites into an uprising against the Romans believing it would bring on the return of the messiah and he would save them. It resulted in over a million dead Jews, the Zealots committing mass suicide after being cornered on top of Mount Masada and for the rest of the Jews expulsion from their homeland for 1900 years.

The Iranian Twelvers have an almost identical belief in a messiah known as the Mahdi and they are at least just as insane as the Zealots were. There is no people in the world who could possibly have a better understanding of just how dangerous the Twelvers are than the Israelis.

If the Israelis are the ones who have to do the deed it won’t surprise me if they use a combination of bunker buster bombs to open the door to the underground facilities, followed by a tactical nuke to make sure there is nothing salvageable left behind. [/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Pretty much echoes everything I’ve said in this thread.[/quote]

Although I wouldn’t discount the effectiveness of an Israeli strike buying us time for sanctions to really bite, this article pretty much confirms what I’ve been thinking. Bombing is not going to be the best way to take out the Iranian nuclear program.

“Most experts argue that Iranian scientists now possess enough technological know-how so that no air campaign, not even sustained bombing by U.S. forces, could destroy Iran’s ability to someday produce a nuclear weapon should it choose to do so.”

The easiest way to decisively put an end to the Iranian problem will be a ground invasion. Interestingly enough in recent months we have been building up our troop levels in the Persian gulf to a high enough level that we could invade.

[/quote]

Brikkaty, brackity, bruckaty, BROKE!

Was that Disney enough for you or would you prefer if I made some memes with Sesame street characters?

Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

This ain’t a Disney fantasy we are talking about. This is a very serious business that needs to be handled definitively. A ground invasion combined with air strikes would be the easiest way to make sure we completely dismantled the Iranian nuclear program and left them with nothing to work with. Plus we could achieve other goals as well.

We have over a 100,000 troops in the region right now. That’s not much less than what we steam rolled over the Iraqi’s with and back then our equipment was inferior to what we have now. [/quote]

I totally agree.

This is serious business.

If you are broke, pretending to be an empire does not help.

No dinero, no tango…[/quote]

I agree their dream of rebuilding the Persian empire is a far fetched fantasy but, the investments they need to make to produce a nuclear weapon have already been made. Sanctions aren’t going to stop them at this late stage.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, the Cookie Monster lives in a garbage can!

[/quote]

orion, get the facts straight.[/quote]

Does he not?

One of them does![/quote]

haha