Lessons So Far

I thought this was a really good piece. I particularly like lessons #4 and #6.

The articles point about being willing to fight by the enemies rules is relevent IMHO. We are however, incapable of that and that’s too bad.

The article poses the question of whether we have the same determination to win this war as our enemies. I’m starting to think that we don’t.


[b]LESSONS SO FAR

HARD TRUTHS TO LEARN FROM ISRAEL’S
WAR ON HEZBOLLAH[/b]

[i]August 13, 2006 – ISRAEL’S war against the Middle East’s first true terrorist army provides tough military and strategic lessons - old, new, and all too often disheartening. Israel’s been winning on the ground. And still losing the war.
This bitter conflict - in which most casualties on both sides of the border are civilians - raises troubling questions, too. Some are identical to those confronting us in Iraq. Many have troubling answers. Others have no real answers at all.

The elementary fact - which far too many in the West deny - is that our civilization has been forced into a defensive war to the death with fanatical strains of Islam - both Shi’a and Sunni. We may be on the offensive militarily, but we did not start this war - and it’s all one war, from 9/11’s Ground Zero, through Lebanon and Iraq, and on to Afghanistan.

Until that ugly fact gains wide acceptance, we’ll continue to make little decisive progress. American or Israeli, our troops are trying. But the truth is that we’re really just holding the line.

We have not yet begun to fight. And many among us still dream of avoiding this war altogether.

It can’t be done. Because our enemies - Hezbollah, al Qaeda, Islamist militias, regimes in Iran, Syria and elsewhere - are determined to confront us.

We’re going to learn the hard way. But we’re going to learn.

Meanwhile, here’s what the latest battlefield has to say to us:

Lesson 1: You can win every tactical engagement and still lose at the strategic level.

Israel’s fought well. But its forces did a polite minuet, while its enemy’s danced madly in the streets. The Israeli Defense Forces have done what their government asked of them. But the Olmert government asked them to do the wrong things - and to do too little for too long.

On the ground, in the air and at sea, the IDF or our own forces can’t be beaten. But without sound strategic planning, our tactical wins will not add up to victory. We have to re-learn this lesson again and again: Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq - and now Lebanon.

Lesson 2: The global media can overturn the verdict of the battlefield.

Too many politicians and generals still don’t get it. This new truth about war slapped us in the face during the First Battle of Fallujah. Now, facing a hostile global media, the Israelis are learning it.

Lesson 3: If you start off on the wrong foot in war, you may never recover your balance.

This old rule never changes. The Israeli government dreamed of fighting a short, clean war on the cheap. Now they’re playing incremental catch-up. It’s a formula for stalemate, if not defeat. If you must go to war, go with everything you’ve got. From Day One. In war, the only bargain at any price is victory.

Lesson 4: Technology alone can’t win 21st-century wars.

You’ve heard it before and, sadly, you’ll hear it again. These asymmetrical, brutal human conflicts require flesh-and-blood solutions - boots on the ground, not just airpower.

Lesson 5: Never underestimate your enemy.

Another timeless rule. The Israelis did it in 1973, and now they’ve done it again. They undervalued Hezbollah’s preparedness for a serious war, its armaments, its training - and its tenacity. And we ourselves did it after Baghdad fell.

This is one of the worst mistakes any government and military can make.

Lesson 6: In war, take the pain up front, and the overall suffering will be far less.

A policy of casualty aversion - in Israel or in the United States - results in more casualties in the end. Because the IDF wasn’t permitted to wage a serious war from the first day (and it remains severely restricted even now), the rockets continued to rain down on Israel - while Hezbollah won the propaganda war.

Lesson 7: Terrorism is no longer a limited, diffuse, disorganized threat.

Hezbollah has an army, if of a new and innovative kind. Iran and Syria supply, support and succor it. It has strategic depth and startling resilience.

With Hezbollah on point, Shi’a terror is now better-prepared to wage post-modern war than Sunni organizations such as al Qaeda. We’re witnessing the rise of trans-national terrorist armies.

There are many more lessons, especially down at the soldier level. But let’s turn to two critical questions:

Can a military that relies heavily on reserve call-ups win this new kind of war?

For Israel, it’s an existential question. My own conclusion is that the IDF, as currently structured, is living on borrowed time. Having seen our own forces operating in Iraq and the IDF at work along the Lebanese border, my frank assessment is that Israel’s brave reserve brigades would crumble in fights such as those in Fallujah or Ramadi. This isn’t the West Bank anymore. This is war to the death. The IDF must stop looking backward toward its proud heritage and look honestly at the future of war.

Can we win “Eastern” wars with Western values? I doubt it.

This question is going to eat at our consciences for years to come - even as we learn to do what must be done.

Despite media lies about Israeli “atrocities,” the IDF has been doing all it can to spare civilians. For example, the Israelis repeatedly risked commando teams deep in hostile territory to take out Hezbollah command-and-control cells - instead of just leveling the crowded apartment buildings where the terrorists were hiding. But, ultimately, all of the special operations in the world will fall far short of delivering decisive, crushing victories. We are going to have to learn to fight by the enemy’s rules. And we aren’t going to like it.

The wars of the future will be won by those with the greater strength of will. And boundless determination is one weapon that Islamist extremists unquestionably possess.

Do we?
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The only reason this “war” exists in the first place is to spread western imperialism and to aquire precious resources of which they’ve wanted to control for some time now(Wolfowitz Doctrine anyone?).

While much of the problem stems from terrible foreign policies over the years, it also has to do with western presence in their holy land. Pull out of their holy land, improve foreign policy, and they would need to have a whole new PR campaign created to still bring in men willing to die for their cause. But of course this won’t happen because our government WANTS a war on terror, they WANT a reason to be in the middle east.

Most people in the middle east don’t want to fight the west. There are a number of radical islamofascists who are basically the equivalent of our psychotic neo conservatives, but again this is a small number. What we have are 2 groups who want to spread their religion and their culture(neo cons, islamofascists), and the rest of us taking orders or caught in the middle of it.

I’ve got a better idea, throw AQ and the Cheney Clique into a cage match and let them duke it out. Whoever wins, exile them into the middle of the ocean with a deflating raft.

This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.

[quote]blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.[/quote]

Absolutely.

Rather scary that people can’t see this.

[quote]blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.[/quote]
lol. Sure it isn’t.

"“In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region’s oil.”-Wolfowitz Doctrine

[quote]blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.[/quote]

What I am pissed about is that our existence is tied in with theirs.

I still think Zionism is ridculous, and all of our problems are stemming from Israel. The day we stop supporting them, and take a more even approach is the day that this shit ends. Or just stop supporting them at all…personally I don’t care.

I don’t want another American dying for Israel. Let the Israelis die for Israel, not the people in the skyscrapers and subways of America. Screw them.

It’s more like a mix of both really.

It’s not JUST Isreal existence.
It’s not JUST western imperialism.
It’s not JUST crazy religous folk.

It’s a combination of things.

Anyone who beielives it’s purly for one reason, must also believe that every single leader of every country involves thinks exactly the same way… which is simply retarded.

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.

Absolutely.

Rather scary that people can’t see this.

[/quote]
Rather scary how ignorant people are.

Good article. Thanks for posting it.

I think it really hits the nail on the head.

Too many people do not understant that radical Islam has declared war on us.

It is going to be a long one.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.

What I am pissed about is that our existence is tied in with theirs.

I still think Zionism is ridculous, and all of our problems are stemming from Israel. The day we stop supporting them, and take a more even approach is the day that this shit ends. Or just stop supporting them at all…personally I don’t care.

I don’t want another American dying for Israel. Let the Israelis die for Israel, not the people in the skyscrapers and subways of America. Screw them. [/quote]

This is an ill-informed viewpoint. First and foremost, Israel is a strident supporter of the United States in the global community and the U.S. is short on stalwart allies. Second, if you think militant Muslims kill Americans only because of Israel, you have a warped view of the history of this conflict.

I would have expected more from someone who clothes himself in icons and labels associated with Catholicism.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.

Absolutely.

Rather scary that people can’t see this.

Rather scary how ignorant people are.[/quote]

My exact thoughts every time I read your posts.

Energy security is our existance.

Israel’s security is important in the minds of many for a far different reason.

[quote]eic wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
blck1jack wrote:
This really is the truth. The poster above obviously has no idea what they are talking about. It isn’t about oil, its about our existence and Israel’s.

What I am pissed about is that our existence is tied in with theirs.

I still think Zionism is ridculous, and all of our problems are stemming from Israel. The day we stop supporting them, and take a more even approach is the day that this shit ends. Or just stop supporting them at all…personally I don’t care.

I don’t want another American dying for Israel. Let the Israelis die for Israel, not the people in the skyscrapers and subways of America. Screw them.

This is an ill-informed viewpoint. First and foremost, Israel is a strident supporter of the United States in the global community and the U.S. is short on stalwart allies.
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We are short on stalwart allies because we alienate every other country that used to be our allies.

When you act unilaterally, this is what you get.

Besides this, Israel’s “support” hasn’t bought us a seat in the damn park…I’m still waiting to see some benefit from their “support”.

I’m tired of everyone pretending like they’ve done anything for us except involve us in things that are not our concern.

Really? Inform me.

Because as I recall, Bin Laden got the idea for 9/11 from seeing the destruction of Lebanon in 1982. Those bombs were American bombs. It’s pretty clear cut.

[quote]
I would have expected more from someone who clothes himself in icons and labels associated with Catholicism. [/quote]

Catholicism has nothing to do with this. The Celtic cross is a pagan symbol dating back much farther than the Church. And I’m Irish…so what the fuck do you want?

I don’t know you at all, so cut the shit with the personal attacks.

Could someone please explain to me what it means that Israel is our “ally.” I mean, other than we have to give them billions of dollars a year and get ourselves involved in a conflict dating back thousands of years… what do we get out of the situation?

And before I get called an anti-semite, I hate hezbollah and hamas and think they violent sick psychopaths. To me, the jews are like people who have chosen to go live in the middle of a bunch of bees because God told them to. Hey, good luck with that. I wouldn’t want to live there. Oh, wait, you’ve got a bee problem now? And you want my money to fight the bees? I don’t think so. But you’re welcomed to come live here where the bees won’t bother you.

As far as zionism, I don’t really care about Israel one way or another. I don’t care about them any more than I care about France or Fukitstan. Last I checked, I live in America and that’s where my tax dollars should be spent.

By the way, you know there is a faction of religious jews who believe that Israel is not a viable, legitimate state because it was established with military and political power and not through the hand of God.

So, aside from the whole, “Jesus is coming back and we all want a good seat,” and “they’re the only democracy in the middle east” – what do we get out of this whole ally thing again?

/flame on

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
The only reason this “war” exists in the first place is to spread western imperialism and to aquire precious resources of which they’ve wanted to control for some time now(Wolfowitz Doctrine anyone?).

While much of the problem stems from terrible foreign policies over the years, it also has to do with western presence in their holy land. Pull out of their holy land, improve foreign policy, and they would need to have a whole new PR campaign created to still bring in men willing to die for their cause. But of course this won’t happen because our government WANTS a war on terror, they WANT a reason to be in the middle east.

Most people in the middle east don’t want to fight the west. There are a number of radical islamofascists who are basically the equivalent of our psychotic neo conservatives, but again this is a small number. What we have are 2 groups who want to spread their religion and their culture(neo cons, islamofascists), and the rest of us taking orders or caught in the middle of it.

I’ve got a better idea, throw AQ and the Cheney Clique into a cage match and let them duke it out. Whoever wins, exile them into the middle of the ocean with a deflating raft.[/quote]

Glad to know somebody gets the picture.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Besides this, Israel’s “support” hasn’t bought us a seat in the damn park…I’m still waiting to see some benefit from their “support”.

I’m tired of everyone pretending like they’ve done anything for us except involve us in things that are not our concern.[/quote]
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