[quote]silee wrote:
"… I don’t know… [/quote]
Sums up your entire post.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
And people wonder why some distrust Obama on Israel. My assessment is that Obama wants to prevent any Israeli strike before November for obvious reasons - he can then go to the general election promising his right hand’s cunning, then when he wins he can “distance” himself from Israel as much as he likes. I don’t expect much better from Mittens either. Israel knows it has to go it alone.[/quote]
Yup, what he said! Good post SM.
Guys…post whatever BLOG and/or opinion your want;
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The reality is that the Obama Administration’s support of Israel has deviated little, (if any) from that of previous Administrations.
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I don’t know enough about Israeli politics to know what “Left” or “Right” means (I’m sure a little different than what it means in the U.S.?) Again, I don’t know. All I can say is what Ehud Barak has stated; that this Administration has been a VERY strong supporter of Israel.
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Opening SOME type of dialog with Islamic Countries (e.g. Myanmar/Burma) does NOT mean that we are “throwing Israel to the Curb”. (See #1).
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Israel’s decision to make a strike is based on the security concern’s of Israel…no more, no less. How things “coincide” with U.S. Elections has NO bearing. Rest assured that the President knows that.
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
- Israel’s decision to make a strike is based on the security concern’s of Israel…no more, no less. How things “coincide” with U.S. Elections has NO bearing. Rest assured that the President knows that.
Mufasa[/quote]
But EVERYTHING to do with the U.S. response, is based on the elections.
Lama:
U.S. response in what way?
Do you mean things like “public condemnation” (probably expected, but most likely “muted”)… or some military response? (which is doubtful).
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Guys…post whatever BLOG and/or opinion your want;
- The reality is that the Obama Administration’s support of Israel has deviated little, (if any) from that of previous Administrations.
Mufasa[/quote]
Correct, the policy hasn’t changed because it cannot. Israel is that layer about the president that no matter how much he does or does not like it, he can’t do shit about it.
The rhetoric has changed and there has been a notable ‘cooling’ in the relationship. That has not gone unnoticed. Israel is quite aware about how obama feels about them. Prior to the election and in years past, he has spoken quite demonstrably aginst Israel and their policies. Further, he’s thrown them under the bus publicly a few times as president.
After reading a lot of these BLOGS and opinions; one is left with the impression (albeit false) that the President and his administration are no more than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader wrapped in the American Flag.
And that simply is not true.
Mufasa
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]silee wrote:
Those “threats” are empty so get real,
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Are they?
When did American politicians ‘stand behind Israel?’ I don’t remember that. I don’t remember it under Bush II, Bush I or Reagan either.
Do they?[/quote]
Under Bush our former president he looked the other way while Israel took more and more of the Palestinian land, plus he didn’t say a word about settlements that Israel constructed that were suppose to be frozen.
Yes Israel is encroaching on more and more of Palestinian land. I am not an expert here but if you read Noam Chomsky on the subject you will get a pretty comprehensive view. Jimmy Carter also is a good source to read he compares the current state of affairs to apartheid similar what south Africa did to the Black people of that country.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Guys…post whatever BLOG and/or opinion your want;
- The reality is that the Obama Administration’s support of Israel has deviated little, (if any) from that of previous Administrations.
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Well, I disagree as do many people. But I also said that I don’t believe Bush II, I or Reagan ‘stood with Israel’ either.
'…who can forget the bitter fight that President George H.W. Bush had with Israel over settlements? Secretary of State James A. Baker III even suggested the administration was tired of Israeli foot-dragging on diplomacy when he publicly recited the White House telephone number and urged both sides to “call us when you are serious about peace.”
Bush also complained of being “stiff-armed” by Israel and warned “we’re not going to sit here and do nothing.” At one point, Bush even punished Israel as it sought loan guarantees.’ - Washington comPost
Good article on Caroline Glick’s page about the Israeli left. She is a journalist for the Jerusalem Post and an IDF veteran.
A public statement from Ehud Barak? A public statement like that is meaningless no matter who said it.
We have relations with every single Islamic country in the world except Iran. No one mentioned opening dialog with Burma is throwing Israel to the wolves.
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4) Israel’s decision to make a strike is based on the security concern’s of Israel…no more, no less. How things “coincide” with U.S. Elections has NO bearing. Rest assured that the President knows that.
Mufasa[/quote]
I don’t rest assured mufasa. Nothing Obama has done in terms of foreign policy has given me any reason for assurances - quite the contrary.
Obama told Bill O’Reilly a year ago that the “Muslim Brotherhood is one faction in Egypt” and “they don’t have majority support in Egypt.”
Does anyone expect me to believe that Obama or anyone in his administration believed this? Obama flat-out lied. Every serious commentator in the world knew that the Muslim Brotherhood had overwhelming support. Obama invited Muslim Brotherhood leaders to his 2009 Cairo appeasement/submission speech. He ditched Hosni Mubarak. He supported the Egyptian ‘Spring’ and sat by and did nothing when the Iranian Spring came.
[quote]silee wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]silee wrote:
Those “threats” are empty so get real,
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Are they?
When did American politicians ‘stand behind Israel?’ I don’t remember that. I don’t remember it under Bush II, Bush I or Reagan either.
Do they?[/quote]
Under Bush our former president he looked the other way while Israel took more and more of the Palestinian land, plus he didn’t say a word about settlements that Israel constructed that were suppose to be frozen.
Yes Israel is encroaching on more and more of Palestinian land. I am not an expert here but if you read Noam Chomsky on the subject you will get a pretty comprehensive view. Jimmy Carter also is a good source to read he compares the current state of affairs to apartheid similar what south Africa did to the Black people of that country.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Obama told Bill O’Reilly a year ago that the “Muslim Brotherhood is one faction in Egypt” and “they don’t have majority support in Egypt.”
Does anyone expect me to believe that Obama or anyone in his administration believed this? Obama flat-out lied. Every serious commentator in the world knew that the Muslim Brotherhood had overwhelming support. Obama invited Muslim Brotherhood leaders to his 2009 Cairo appeasement/submission speech. He ditched Hosni Mubarak. He supported the Egyptian ‘Spring’ and sat by and did nothing when the Iranian Spring came.[/quote]
This statement is the problem with you and other ideologues. You and other commentators on the right are quick to vilify the Muslim Brotherhood based on nothing more than political statements made by the affiliation that you deem “extremist.” Last I checked the Muslim Brotherhood has yet to completely rule the Egyptian government and kill its own people to the capacity of what Hosni Mubarak did. Obama invited the MB because they were a more accurate representation of Egyptians. You’re being ignorant every time you talk about Egypt. You have not talked to Egyptians and you do not understand their perspective on issues.
You’re just mad because Obama doesn’t kiss Israel’s ass like every other politician. Fact is, Israel should be kissing Obama’s ass for decimating Al-Qaeda.
Ron Paul is right. Israel doesn’t have the right to complain about anything the U.S does, let alone says, after all the shit the U.S has done for them.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
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You and other commentators on the right are quick to vilify the Muslim Brotherhood based on nothing more than political statements made by the affiliation that you deem “extremist.” Last I checked the Muslim Brotherhood has yet to completely rule the Egyptian government and kill its own people to the capacity of what Hosni Mubarak did. Obama invited the MB because they were a more accurate representation of Egyptians…[/quote]
For the edification of Getnitdone:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readarticle.aspx?artid=4476
(Apologies for length of post)
extract:
One renowned international scholar of Islamist movements who also spoke with Besson, Reuven Paz, talked about The Project in its historical context:
The Project was part of the charter of the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was official established on July 29, 1982. It reflects a vast plan which was revived in the 1960s, with the immigration of Brotherhood intellectuals, principally Syrian and Egyptians, into Europe.
As Paz notes, The Project was drafted by the Muslim Brotherhood as part of its rechartering process in 1982, a time that marks an upswing in its organizational expansion internationally, as well as a turning point in the alternating periods of repression and toleration by the Egyptian government. In 1952, the organization played a critical support role to the Free Officers Movement led by Gamal Abdul Nasser, which overthrew King Faruq, but quickly fell out of favor with the new revolutionary regime because of Nasserâ??s refusal to follow the Muslim Brotherhoodâ??s call to institute an ideologically committed Islamic state. At various times since the July Revolution in 1952, the Brotherhood has regularly been banned and its leaders killed and imprisoned by Egyptian authorities.
Since it was rechartered in 1982, the Muslim Brotherhood has spread its network across the Middle East, Europe, and even America. At home in Egypt, parliamentary elections in 2005 saw the Muslim Brotherhood winning 20 percent of the available legislative seats, comprising the largest opposition party block. Its Palestinian affiliate, known to the world as HAMAS, recently gained control of the Palestinian Authority after elections secured for them 74 of 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council. Its Syrian branch has historically been the largest organized group opposing the Assad regime, and the organization also has affiliates in Jordan, Sudan, and Iraq. In the US, the Muslim Brotherhood is primarily represented by the Muslim American Society (MAS).
Part 2 here:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4475
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent and Merciful
S/5/100 report
1/12/1982 [December 1, 1982]
Towards a worldwide strategy for Islamic policy
(Points of Departure, Elements, Procedures and Missions)
This report presents a global vision of a worldwide strategy for Islamic policy [or “political Islam”]. Local Islamic policies will be drawn up in the different regions in accordance with its guidelines. It acts, first of all, to define the points of departure of that policy, then to set up the components and the most important procedures linked to each point of departure; finally we suggest several missions, by way of example only, may Allah protect us.
The following are the principal points of departure of this policy:
Point of Departure 1: To know the terrain and adopt a scientific methodology for its planning and execution.
Point of Departure 2: To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.
Point of Departure 3: To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at a local level.
Point of Departure 4: To reconcile political engagement and the necessity of avoiding isolation on one hand, with permanent education and institutional action on the other.
Point of Departure 5: To be used to establish an Islamic State; parallel, progressive efforts targeted at controlling the local centers of power through institutional action.
Point of Departure 6: To work with loyalty alongside Islamic groups and institutions in multiple areas to agree on common ground, in order to “cooperate on the points of agreement and set aside the points of disagreement”.
Point of Departure 7: To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shariâ??a] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken.
Point of Departure 8: To master the art of the possible on a temporary basis without abusing the basic principles, bearing in mind that Allah’s teachings always apply. One must order the suitable and forbid that which is not, always providing a documented opinion. But we should not look for confrontation with our adversaries, at the local or the global scale, which would be disproportionate and could lead to attacks against the dawa or its disciples.
Point of Departure 9: To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible.
Point of Departure 10: To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement. In fact, surveillance, policy decisions and effective communications complement each other.
Point of Departure 11: To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.
Point of Departure 12: To know how to turn to self-criticism and permanent evaluation of worldwide Islamic policy and its objectives, of its content and its procedures, in order to improve it. This is a duty and a necessity according to the precepts of shariâ??a.
THE FIRST POINT OF DEPARTURE:
Know the terrain and adopt a scientific methodology for [The Project’s] planning and execution.
a- Elements:
Know the influential factors in the world, whether they act as Islamic forces, adverse forces, or neutral forces.
Use the necessary scientific and technical means for planning, organization, execution and follow-up.
b- Procedures:
Create observation centers in order to gather and store information for all useful purposes, if need be relying on modern technological methods.
Create centers of study and research and produce studies on the political dimension of the Islamic movement.
c- Suggested missions:
Draw up a map of [religious and ideological] doctrines in the world to have a global vision from 100 years ago to our era, and analyze the current situation in light of that configuration, taking account of changes both happening and predicted.
Draw up a map of doctrines of the Muslim world.
Draw up a map of Islamic movements in the Muslim world.
Carry out successive political and scientific studies in varying Islamic areas, those which apply more particularly to current events.
Carry out a scientific study which addresses the history of contemporary Islamic movements, and use it.
THE SECOND POINT OF DEPARTURE
To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.
a- Elements:
Clarity of the principal objectives of the dawa in the eyes of all, as well as clarity of the temporary objectives, necessitates exploitation, channeling and orientation of the energies.
Devote sufficient effort to the service of the workers [for Allah] and coordinate their efforts to the sole and same objective.
Devote sufficient time.
Spend money to the extent possible.
b-Procedures:
Exploit all the energies of the workers to the service of the dawa, each at his level (the criterion of efficiency, given that each must be devoted to the task to which he’s assigned).
Mobilize the greatest possible number of supporters and officials.
Collect money efficiently, control expenses and invest in the general interest.
c- Suggested missions:
Carry out a survey of workers (appropriate men and appropriate location)
Establish schedules with the hours of workers and specialists and use their efforts with good judgment and on time (appropriate effort at the right time).
An engagement with economic institutions adequate to support the cause financially.
THE THIRD POINT OF DEPARTURE
Reconcile international engagement with flexibility at the local level.
a- Elements:
To define the guidelines that everyone [worldwide] must follow.
To leave a margin that provides sufficient flexibility at the local level for the issues that do not conflict with the general lines of the global Islamic policy.
b- Procedures:
The Movement, at a global level, will define the Islamic domain and issues in a general way which will require the engagement of all according to previously defined priorities.
The local leadership will define local issues that come within their prerogative, according to the principle of flexibility and according to previously defined priorities.
c- Suggested Missions
Worldwide Islamic engagement for a total liberation of Palestine and the creation of an Islamic state is the mission which falls to the global leadership.
To establish a dialogue at a local level with those who work for the cause according to the global political lines of the Movement. It is up to the local leadership to define the shape of that dialogue.
THE FOURTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To reconcile political engagement with the necessity of avoiding isolation, on the one hand, with permanent education and institutional work on the other.
a- Elements
Liberty to function politically in each country according to local circumstances, without however participating in a process which makes a decision which would be contrary to the texts of Shariâ??a.
To invite everyone to take part in parliament, municipal councils, labor unions and other institutions of which the membership is chosen by the people in the interest of Islam and of Muslims.
To continue to educate individuals and generations and to guarantee the training of specialists in various areas according to a previously designed plan.
To construct social, economic, scientific and health institutions and penetrate the domain of the social services, in order to be in contact with the people and to serve them by means of Islamic institutions.
b- Procedures
To study the varied political environments and the probabilities of success in each country.
To plan specialized study missions which will concentrate on useful areas such as communications, the history of Islam, etc.
To conduct feasibility studies concerning various institutions and create them according to priorities established in each country.
c-Suggested Missions
To conduct studies relating to the experiences of political Islam and to draw lessons from them.
To give an Islamic policy perspective on the pressing questions of the day.
To keep questions of local importance such as issues concerning workers, unions, etc. within an Islamic framework.
To create a certain number of economic, social, health care and educational institutions, using available means, to serve the people within an Islamic framework.
THE FIFTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To dedicate ourselves to the establishment of an Islamic state, in parallel with gradual efforts aimed at gaining control of local power centers through institutional action.
a- Elements
To channel thought, education and action in order to establish an Islamic power [government] on the earth.
To influence centers of power both local and worldwide to the service of Islam.
b- Procedures
To prepare a scientific study on the possibility of establishing the reign of God throughout the world according to established priorities.
To study the centers of power, both local and worldwide, and the possibilities of placing them under influence.
To conduct a modern study on the concept of support for the dawa and Islamic law, and more particularly on the men of influence in the State and the country.
c- Suggested Mission
To draw up an Islamic Constitution in light of efforts deployed up to now.
To draw up Islamic laws, civil laws, etc.
To work within various influential institutions and use them in the service of Islam.
To use the work of economic, social, and other specialized Islamic institutions.
THE SIXTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To loyally work alongside Islamic groups and institutions in various areas and in agreement on a common ground in order to “cooperate on points of agreement and put aside points of disagreement”.
a- Elements
To coordinate the Islamic work in a single direction as will permit the laying of the foundations of the growth of Muslim society and dedication to the power of God on Earth.
For each to work according to his capacities in his chosen field and to master it, with loyalty and coordination of effort.
b- Procedures
To study the true nature of Islamic movements, to evaluate their experiences and draw up plans to initiate collaboration among them.
To avoid creating new Islamic movements in a country which already has one; there will be but one movement, serious and complete.
c- Suggested missions
To coordinate the efforts of all those working for Islam, in each country, and to establish good contact with them, whether they work in individuals or in groups.
To reduce the differences that exists between workers for Islam and to resolve their conflicts according to shariâ??a.
THE SEVENTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shariâ??a] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken.
a-Elements:
To combine all efforts against the supreme forces of evil in accordance with the principle that one must â??battle one evil with a lesser evilâ??.
To limit the collaboration to the leadership or to a limited number of individuals in order to maximize the benefit and minimize the possible drawbacks.
To work from perspective of the objectives previously defined for the dawa.
b-Procedures:
To make a study to evaluate the areas with the object of mutual assistance between Islamic and other movements and draw lessons from it.
To study the areas which allow cooperation, and define the boundaries.
To study the philosophy and plans of other movements.
c- Suggested Missions:
Each country should study the possibility, in the future, of strengthening internal collaboration.
THE EIGHTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To master the art of the possible on a temporary basis without abusing the basic principles, bearing in mind that Allah’s teachings always apply. One must order the suitable and forbid that which is not, always giving a documented opinion [according to shariâ??a]. But we should not look for confrontation with our adversaries, at the local or the global scale, which would be disproportionate and could lead to attacks against the dawa or its disciples.
a- Elements:
To evaluate the education of individuals and not to excessively use typical modern education that does not correspond to reality, which is devoid of flexibility and could have grave consequences such as the conflict between individuals for a simple comment or a simple failure.
To give a documented and scientific view, in the form of speeches, communiqués and books, that bears on events important to the Ummah.
To avoid the Movement hurting itself with major confrontations, which could encourage its adversaries to give it a fatal blow.
b-Procedures:
To carry out a study to evaluate the experiences of Islamist movements in order to avoid their fatal errors.
To develop educational methods that are at the same time exemplary, realistic and true to our principles, in order to bestow a flexibility sufficient to permit the facing of reality.
c-Suggested Missions:
To develop initiation programs for the faithful and proceed with sensitivity to the foundation of past experience.
To prepare individuals according to modern educational methods.
THE NINTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible.
a-Elements:
To protect the dawa with the force necessary to guarantee its security at the local and international levels.
To make contact with all new movements engaged in jihad, everywhere on the planet, and with Muslim minorities, and to create links as needed to establish and support collaboration.
To maintain jihad and awakening throughout the Ummah.
b-Procedures:
To form an autonomous security force to protect the dawa and its disciples locally and worldwide.
To study movements engaged in jihad in the Muslim world, as well as among Muslim minorities, to better understand them.
c-Suggested Missions:
To build bridges between movements engaged in jihad in the Muslim world, and between Muslim minorities, and to support them insofar as possible within a framework of collaboration.
THE TENTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement. In fact, surveillance, policy decisions and effective communications complement each other.
a-Elements:
To make the policy decisions to collect important and precise information.
To diffuse Islamic policy so that it is largely and efficiently covered by the media.
b-Procedures:
To create a modern surveillance system by means of advanced technology (possibly created at the research centers mentioned earlier).
To create an effective and serious media centre.
c- Suggested Missions:
To warn Muslims of the dangers that threaten them and the international conspiracies directed at them.
To give our views on current events and future issues.
THE ELEVENTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.
a-Elements:
To provide an Islamic view on all areas, problems and solutions relative to the Palestinian question, based on the precepts of Islam.
To prepare the community of believers for jihad for the liberation of Palestine. [One can lead the Ummah to realize the plans of the Islamic movement above all if victory is ours], if God wills it.
To create a modest nucleus of jihad in Palestine, and to nourish it in order to maintain the flame that will light the road toward the liberation of Palestine, and in order that the Palestinian cause will endure until the moment of liberation.
b-Procedures:
To collect sufficient funds for the perpetuation of jihad.
To conduct a study of the situation of Muslims and the enemy in occupied Palestine.
c-Suggested Missions:
To conduct studies on the Jews, enemies of Muslims, and on the oppression inflicted by these enemies on our brothers in occupied Palestine, in addition to preaching and publications.
To fight against the sentiment of capitulation among the Ummah, to refuse defeatist solutions, and to show that conciliation with the Jews will undermine our Movement and its history.
To conduct comparative studies on the Crusades and Israel, and [the victory that will be that of Islam].
To create jihadi cells in Palestine, and support them in order that they cover all of occupied Palestine.
To create a link between the moujahadin in Palestine and those throughout the Islamic world.
To nourish a sentiment of rancor with respect to the Jews and refuse all coexistence.
THE TWELFTH POINT OF DEPARTURE
To know how to turn to self-criticism and permanent evaluation of worldwide Islamic policy and its objectives, of its content and its procedures in order to improve it. This is a duty and a necessity according to the precepts of shariâ??a.
a-Elements:
To conduct constructive self-criticism, in order to avoid pitfalls.
To proceed with constant evaluation, on a scientific basis, to permit the further construction of policies.
To improve Islamic policies and to take profit from past experiences must be a clear and essential objective.
b-Procedures:
To evaluate current practices and profit from past experience.
To ask officials in the various countries to give their views on direction, methods and results.
c-Suggested Missions:
To produce an official document on global Islamic policy.
To make the countries, the officials and the people aware of that policy.
To begin to apply the policy, to evaluate it annually and to improve it if need be.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
This statement is the problem with you and other ideologues. You and other commentators on the right are quick to vilify the Muslim Brotherhood based on nothing more than political statements made by the affiliation that you deem “extremist.” Last I checked the Muslim Brotherhood has yet to completely rule the Egyptian government and kill its own people to the capacity of what Hosni Mubarak did. Obama invited the MB because they were a more accurate representation of Egyptians. You’re being ignorant every time you talk about Egypt. You have not talked to Egyptians and you do not understand their perspective on issues.
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Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood recently led prayers for more than a million followers in Tahrir square and said: “Throughtout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”
I understand that you claim to believe I’ve misjudged the Muslim Brotherhood. I understand what you really believe now. Thanks for your input.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
This statement is the problem with you and other ideologues. You and other commentators on the right are quick to vilify the Muslim Brotherhood based on nothing more than political statements made by the affiliation that you deem “extremist.” Last I checked the Muslim Brotherhood has yet to completely rule the Egyptian government and kill its own people to the capacity of what Hosni Mubarak did. Obama invited the MB because they were a more accurate representation of Egyptians. You’re being ignorant every time you talk about Egypt. You have not talked to Egyptians and you do not understand their perspective on issues.
[/quote]
Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood recently led prayers for more than a million followers in Tahrir square and said: “Throughtout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”
I understand that you claim to believe I’ve misjudged the Muslim Brotherhood. I understand what you really believe now. Thanks for your input.[/quote]
Your post is far more concise than mine!. Thank you.
And your post has the facts for those who are really interested. Thanks.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
After reading a lot of these BLOGS and opinions; one is left with the impression (albeit false) that the President and his administration are no more than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader wrapped in the American Flag.
And that simply is not true.
Mufasa[/quote]
Come on mufasa. You know Obama’s background and history. 20 years with Reverend Wright. Had him baptise his children for crying out loud. Surrounded by radicals. Financed by William Ayers. When asked to renounce Wright he trashes his own grandmother and compares her to Wright. Obama the Chicago hood. The “community organiser.” Was going to sit down for talks with Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il. The frigging reset button humiliation. Unilateral disengagement in the face of Putin. Delivering Egypt, Tunisia and Libya to the enemy. Ignoring the Iranian Spring. Continuing to deliver weapons and money to Egypt even now that 20 US hostages(mostly aid workers) have been taken ala Iran 1979. And now his administration is trying to prevent Israel launching a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities - and that’s according the New York Swines and the Washington Compost not some right-wing blog. Let’s get real here.
For as long as this shit festers in the middle east, dictators there, the US and Israel will all benefit from it while the citizens of those God damned countries will suffer. This isn’t some kind of hmmm what shall we do now situations.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the US administration and the retards in the Iranian government were all in bed together.
These shenanigans work to all of their advantage, the right wing thrive on such conflict, while we debate how they are gonna wipe Israel off the map and how we are gonna bomb Iran they are sucking on each others dicks.