Lixy, what’s up habibi? Why didn’t you respond to my response to your post? Ignoring difficult questions is weak.
I respond to your posts. China isn’t going to do a damn thing to America over Iran. Don’t delude yourself. America is Chinas biggest customer, without us their economy collapses. There are a lot of shuttered factories here and in Mexico that could be reopened if China was locked out of the American market.
China is holding over a trillion dollars of American green backs. If America changed it’s currency, gave a limited time for exchanging from the old currency to the new and refused to exchange Chinese greenbacks they would be in a world of hurt.
Then there is the American debt held by China. We could refuse to pay on that. What could they do? Invading Taiwan would be extremely costly, it would cause the Japanese to rethink their pacifism and cause all the other asian countries to start getting ready for them.
Long story short, no country is going to take on America over Iran. They are all going to say the Iranians got what they asked for and go back to their lives.
In another new poll, only five percent of Americans favor threatening military action, down from nine percent in fall 2007. Seven percent support taking military action.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
When mohammad was lying on his death bed his last orders to his followers was that the Arabia must be ethnically cleansed of all Christians and Jews. So when a Muslim kills a Jew or Christian in the holyland he is carrying out mohammads will. The Palestinians are a strawman that allow the muslims to claim legitimacy for their jew hatred. [/quote]
I see no question here. Just a bunch of unfounded hate speech. You can understand why I did not feel the need to read any further.
I don’t know what “hypocracy” means. Is that some kind of rule by the lower classes?
Thread carefully. I don’t approve of the use of such expressions as “your people”.
Look up the word “colonialism” in a dictionary sometimes. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Well, unless you think Indians are a different species, and are actually referring to colonization.
So, which is it?
I am unaware that the situation in East London is as bad as in Sadr city, or of any organized grave-digging phenomenon.
More importantly, how come the locals are not demanding that these “colons” beat it?
Arabs have indeed conquered parts of Africa. If you can point out to specific African countries where the Arabs haven’t mixed up with the locals, assimilated and where there is a resistance movement that wants them out, you may have a point.
Eh? America and Europe are largely democratic. If these hordes of “colons” have put the locals in open-air prisons Gaza-style, planted a flag, declared the birth of a new state, created a massive refugee crisis and subsequently refused their right to return to their land, how come “Americans and Europeans” are complacent in the face of this abuse?
Swedish Hells Angels are busy blowing up the Bandidos.
I don’t think a decision should be made based on the will of a handful of people, but were they to acquire a majority voice, then yes. My response would be just what you quoted.
I don’t see any of it happening though.
Again, if the BNP can get the British people behind him for such acts, then sure. But I suspect you’d need more than “the London bombings” to convince the Brits of the necessity to blow up a couple of mosques.
Heh, I’m way ahead of you. As I ask earlier, whow me where that is happening.
And for the record, yet again, I stand firmly behind the Sahrawi people’s right to determine their own destiny. I think a referendum should be held and their will respected. They quit armed resistance years ago, but if the status quo is maintained for much longer, I would expect that they take up the arms again. And guess what? The US is behind Morocco’s claim on the territory.
Apart from that, I don’t think the Berbers of Tunisia will want to kick the Arabs out any time soon. Both are cohabiting perfectly well and mixed up blood-wise.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We should have talked to them when the moderate leader, whose name escapes me at the moment, was in charge.
What have they done to promote global peace and prosperity? Their human rights record is far from spotless.
But we can’t live in the past. Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?[/quote]
This is a phony argument. How would talking to the mad man leader of a nation that chants Death to America at every opportunity have any positive effect? It is a waste of time and resources. There is no positive outcome from discussions with him.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?
Why should we sit down and talk to someone who has a “Death to America” day? Isn’t it an indication they are no way peaceful toward us?
I see we do not have a “Death to Iran Day”.
So your argument isn’t that not talking will result in better outcomes than talking, it’s that we shouldn’t talk to them because they are mean?[/quote]
This is idiotic. You do not talk to a rattlesnake. You avoid it, cage it or kill it. You cannot talk it into doing what you want.
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
How long has diplomacy been going on in Iran? Let’s take a look.
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Don’t interject reality into this. These people have a fantasy Iran can be talked out of their ambitions.
Or they pretend to have that fantasy because they do not like the current leadrship in Washington and they will take potshots at them from every angle.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
When mohammad was lying on his death bed his last orders to his followers was that the Arabia must be ethnically cleansed of all Christians and Jews. So when a Muslim kills a Jew or Christian in the holyland he is carrying out mohammads will. The Palestinians are a strawman that allow the muslims to claim legitimacy for their jew hatred.
I see no question here. Just a bunch of unfounded hate speech. You can understand why I did not feel the need to read any further. [/quote]
So are you saying that the Arab Israeli conflict isn’t being driven by hatred. Are you saying that I am wrong, that the Palestinians aren’t being used as an excuse to justify what has been happening there for the last sixty years?
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You have again demonstrated your (and other arabs and muslims) rank hypocracy.
I don’t know what “hypocracy” means. Is that some kind of rule by the lower classes? [/quote]
If you want to go down that road. You wrote something that wasn’t grammatically correct a page or two ago.
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Your people have come to the west by the boatload.
Thread carefully. I don’t approve of the use of such expressions as “your people”. [/quote]
Do you mean tread carefully. For you Lixy, I will tread more carefully in the thread.
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So many have colonized London it is now reffered to as Londonistan.
Look up the word “colonialism” in a dictionary sometimes. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Well, unless you think Indians are a different species, and are actually referring to colonization. [/quote]
I think colonization does describe what has happened over there. Entire towns have been repopulated with muslims. They are like going into another country. Indians aren’t a problem.
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So, which is it?
East London is like another Sadr city where they are threatening to dig up Jewish, Chritian graveyards in order to turn them into muslim burial grounds.
I am unaware that the situation in East London is as bad as in Sadr city, or of any organized grave-digging phenomenon. [/quote]
I didn’t say it is as bad, but it is moving in that direction. The government is not able to fully enforce laws there. Hundreds of English people have been murdered in lynchings by muslims there. Just last week in Britain two christian evangelists were threatened with assault and arrest by muslim police for practicing their faith in a muslim area.
I’ll repost the article after I post this so you can reread it.
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More importantly, how come the locals are not demanding that these “colons” beat it? [/quote]
Because the government has been very militant towards any dissent by the people. Right before the London bombings the labour party tried to reinstate the 16th century blasphemy laws in order to protect muslims from criticism. Had they succeeded it would have been illegal for nonmuslims to quote passages from the koran that are hateful towards nonmuslims.
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Why is it that you arab muslims care so much about land ownership but it didn’t stop you from invading Africa?
Arabs have indeed conquered parts of Africa. If you can point out to specific African countries where the Arabs haven’t mixed up with the locals, assimilated and where there is a resistance movement that wants them out, you may have a point. [/quote]
Assimilating into the local population is not the same as imposing your culture at the point of a sword. There was resistance that was violently suppressed.
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Do you mean like the way that Americans and Europeans have swallowed the pill of arab muslim immigration and enacted hate crime laws that grant those immigrants protection from the kinds of violence that Jews in Israel are subjected to everyday?
Eh? America and Europe are largely democratic. If these hordes of “colons” have put the locals in open-air prisons Gaza-style, planted a flag, declared the birth of a new state, created a massive refugee crisis and subsequently refused their right to return to their land, how come “Americans and Europeans” are complacent in the face of this abuse? [/quote]
There aren’t enough muslims in the west at the moment that you can do much more than set bombs off on public transport. Eventually when the demographics tip in your favor we will suffer the same fate of other peoples that have been overrun by muslims.
They could get bored with that. The HA’s and Bandidos have made peace before. All that is needed if for some muslims blow up a bus or a train there and people will wake up to the muslim threat.
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I don’t think a decision should be made based on the will of a handful of people, but were they to acquire a majority voice, then yes. My response would be just what you quoted. [/quote]
So when it happens you will say we asked for it?
I don’t see any of it happening though.
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If the BNP had responded to the London bombings by blowing up a couple of mosques would you response to that have been “What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?” ?
Again, if the BNP can get the British people behind him for such acts, then sure. But I suspect you’d need more than “the London bombings” to convince the Brits of the necessity to blow up a couple of mosques. [/quote]
Another grammatical mistake. Him is singular, them is plural. Things are changing in Britain.
People are getting sick of being second class citizens in their own country, while a hateful religious minority is given elite status.
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What will you say if the people of Africa decide they have had enough of the Arab invasion and start fighting to reclaim their land? “What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?”
Heh, I’m way ahead of you. As I ask earlier, whow me where that is happening. [/quote]
“Whow me where” Did you mean show me? Another spelling mistake tsk tsk tsk. Sudan and Ethiopia are peaceful? Arabs aren’t attacking Blacks there?
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And for the record, yet again, I stand firmly behind the Sahrawi people’s right to determine their own destiny. I think a referendum should be held and their will respected. They quit armed resistance years ago, but if the status quo is maintained for much longer, I would expect that they take up the arms again. And guess what? The US is behind Morocco’s claim on the territory.
Apart from that, I don’t think the Berbers of Tunisia will want to kick the Arabs out any time soon. Both are cohabiting perfectly well and mixed up blood-wise.[/quote]
Here is that article about the graveyard they want to dig up.
Anger over plan to dig up 350,000 bodies in historic London cemetery for Muslim burial site
By BETH HALE - More by this author »
Last updated at 01:20am on 12th October 2007
It is a peaceful resting place for 350,000 souls - an historic graveyard which now serves as a nature reserve.
But plans are afoot to dig up the ancient graves at Tower Hamlets Cemetery - and reopen it as a 21st century burial site.
Officially it would be known as a “multi-faith” cemetery but it is likely that it would principally answer calls for a Muslim graveyard in the largely-Asian East London borough.
The local newspaper has been bombarded with letters from historians and nature lovers declaring: “There is no way we’ll allow them to dig up our ancestors.”
But the Labour-controlled council’s environment spokesman Abdal Ullah appeared to be in no doubt about the feasibility of the plan when he said: “To preserve the respect and dignity for everyone, I think most of the graves would have to be cleared out and we’d start afresh.”
He said a corner of the cemetery would be reserved for Muslims who are buried in shrouds at a depth of 6ft and on their side facing Mecca.
By law, any graves more than 75 years old can be removed.
At the cemetery yesterday, liaison officer Ken Greenway - the only paid member of staff tending the 33-acre site - said he was astonished that anyone would even contemplate such a move.
“I’m against it and I have to stand up for that because of the huge value of this site today,” he added.
“It’s a beautiful haven for wildlife and people.”
The City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery was opened in 1841 by an Act of Parliament.
During the Second World War it was bombed five times and some headstones still bear the marks of shrapnel hits
Other markers have gone altogether, torn down when the graveyard was deconsecrated as a Church of England cemetery by another Act of Parliament in 1966 when it was deemed to be full.
The intention was to create an open space for the public, which led to two bomb-damaged chapels being demolished and a swathe of graves cleared.
In 1986 ownership passed from the Greater London Council to Tower Hamlets and in 1990 the Friends of the Tower Hamlets Cemetery Park was set up.
Seven years ago the park became the borough’s first nature reserve and it is now tended by 1,600 volunteers.
It is home to 27 species of butterfly, a rare bumble bee, woodpeckers, sparrowhawks and the elusive firecrest.
Some 8,000 schoolchildren visit every year for outdoor nature lessons.
Professor David Bellamy, who is patron of the Friends of Tower Hamlets Cemetery Park, said: "Tower Hamlets Cemetery is still a place of peace and reflection as it has been since it was saved from becoming just another part of East London’s urban sprawl.
"Now in its new guise as a local nature reserve and green lung, people of every colour, creed and kind share their humanity with that of other living things.
“I can only pray that the wisdom of all faiths can together discover the right way ahead for this very special part of East London’s heritage.”
Last night the council was insisting there were no plans to re-open the park as a cemetery.
“It is a popular and historic nature park and if there were any proposalsto alter the look or the functionality, there would be a full consultation with interested parties,” said a spokesman.
However the council admitted it had been looking at “options” for burial sites.
And Lib Dem group leader Stephanie Eaton said she had received a letter from the council chief executive admitting the park was one of the options being considered.
