[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Yes, we know he said “erased from the pages of history” as well as the other lovely stuff that is at the start of this thread. We don’t want to misquote him on his method of eliminating Israel.
The point is he never said he wanted to physically eliminate Israel – …[/quote]
No, he just says it should and will be eliminated while he is just building nukes and missiles.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
No, he just says it should and will be eliminated while he is just building nukes and missiles. [/quote]
Doesn’t make any sense at all. Do you think Iran is going to acquire nuclear missiles and then “wipe Israel off the map”?
According to Jews, Muslim’s are suicidal maniacs who’s sole mission it is to eliminate or convert Christians and Jews – if this is the case, why is Israel still there in the first place and why does Iran need to wait until it goes nuclear to do it?
We’re constantly reminded that Israel is this tiny little speck surrounded by a sea of its enemies – your telling me they need to wait (years) until they have a nuclear missile that they could shoot at Israel in an attack that would be suicidal anyway? Please.
Even if your neighbor makes a veiled threat to kill you, you can’t legally preemptively kill him.
Israel just bombed a site in Syria which may or may not have been a nuclear facility – why can’t Syria or Iran or Egypt do the same to Israel?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/darticlen.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2008/June/middleeast_June66.xml§ion=middleeast&col=
There is a reason why Israel ranks at the very bottom of the Global Peace Index – an index that ranks Syria 75th and Iran 105th btw… must be that anti-Semitism thing again.
Global Peace Index: Israel hits rock bottom
Economist Intelligence Unit ranks Israel 136th out of 140 countries
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Again, no one answered the question, why should we meet with a man who denies the Holocaust exists, threatens Israel, continues to support and fund Hamas and Hizbollah who kill American troops and Israelis? Is this a man who sounds like he listens to reason and will change his mind?
We shouldn’t. What a waste of time and resources to meet with such a tool. It is much better to communicate with them on other levels as we are currently doing.
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Agree
The picture of a showing Ahmadinejad meeting with a SMALL SECT OF JEWISH COMMUNITY is a poor example by others.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
No, he just says it should and will be eliminated while he is just building nukes and missiles.
Doesn’t make any sense at all. Do you think Iran is going to acquire nuclear missiles and then “wipe Israel off the map”?
According to Jews, Muslim’s are suicidal maniacs who’s sole mission it is to eliminate or convert Christians and Jews – if this is the case, why is Israel still there in the first place and why does Iran need to wait until it goes nuclear to do it?
We’re constantly reminded that Israel is this tiny little speck surrounded by a sea of its enemies – your telling me they need to wait (years) until they have a nuclear missile that they could shoot at Israel in an attack that would be suicidal anyway? Please.
Even if your neighbor makes a veiled threat to kill you, you can’t legally preemptively kill him.
Israel just bombed a site in Syria which may or may not have been a nuclear facility – why can’t Syria or Iran or Egypt do the same to Israel?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/darticlen.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2008/June/middleeast_June66.xml§ion=middleeast&col=
There is a reason why Israel ranks at the very bottom of the Global Peace Index – an index that ranks Syria 75th and Iran 105th btw… must be that anti-Semitism thing again.
Global Peace Index: Israel hits rock bottom
Economist Intelligence Unit ranks Israel 136th out of 140 countries
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You are aware that Muslims commit suicide attacks all the time, aren’t you? Those who die fighting in the way of Allah are guaranteed Paradise.
The Arabs have already tried numerous times through conventional warfare to “wipe Israel off the map,” or perhaps you haven’t heard of the Six Day War or the Yom Kippur War or the 1948 war? Now the Shia will give it a try through their proxies.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Terrorists only know war.
Finally, we’re getting somewhere. So, you advocate declaring war on the Republic of Iran, right?[/quote]
Not necessarily. And what do you advocate? Appeasement without precondition? Has it worked in the past with terrorists? Now you answer the questions
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Note: not “AMERICAN Institute For National Security Affairs”
Jewish Institute For National Security Affairs - Sept 13, 2001
[i]This Goes Beyond Bin Laden [Only two days after 9/11?]
WASHINGTON, D.C., September 13, 2001 - In the face of horrendous acts of terrorism against the United States, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) calls on the American government and on all world leaders to be decisive in their actions to confront the terrorists and their supporters, who rely on our taking half measures in response.
We must begin by condemning them and their organizations by name; we know who they are. Osama Bin Laden, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad are only the most prominent. The countries harboring and training them include not just Afghanistan - an easy target for blame - but Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Sudan, the Palestinian Authority, Libya, Algeria and even our presumed friends Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
We must make them believe there is not one inch of soil on the planet that is a haven or training ground for them.
The United States can have no political relationship with any country or group whose citizens celebrate the death of innocent Americans. There is nothing to justify dancing in the streets and rejoicing over an American tragedy. This behavior tells us who our friends are, and who wishes our mortal enemies well…[/i]
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/print.html/documentid/1262
Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel
The Times
November 5, 2002
ISRAEL’S Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete.
Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria
Haaretz
18/02/2003
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=263941
Well before Ahmadinejad made his now famous statement (that he never really said anyway)…
‘Wiped off the Map’ - The Rumor of the Century
According to legend, Iran’s president has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, “Israel must be wiped off the map.” Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made.
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And SYRIA downplayed the nuclear site attack, gee wonder why.
HISTORY WILL NOT BE REWRITTEN BY THE ANTI-SEMITES
http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.htm
[quote]lixy wrote:
G87,
It’s true that the US likes to have military bases all over the world,
The US has always been isolated from the world community because of its unconditional support of Israel. Just check out the U.N. voting records. [/quote]
Huh? We have bases all over the world, yet are isolated?
The UN voting record is meaningless since the UN was controlled by the Red voting block and they were anti-Israel.
[quote]lixy wrote:
So, for the last friggin’ time, what do you suggest?[/quote]
Ah, not meeting with them?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
Terrorists only know war.
Finally, we’re getting somewhere. So, you advocate declaring war on the Republic of Iran, right?[/quote]
So according to Lixy it’s either we meet with them unconditionally, or attack them, there is no middle ground.
Interesting.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
So, for the last friggin’ time, what do you suggest?
Ah, not meeting with them?[/quote]
How do you think not talking to them will help ensure global peace and prosperity?
[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:
And SYRIA downplayed the nuclear site attack, gee wonder why.[/quote]
US intelligence does not show Syrian nuclear weapons program, officials say
According to current and former intelligence sources, the US intelligence community has seen no evidence of a nuclear facility being hit.
US intelligence “found no radiation signatures after the bombing, so there was no uranium or plutonium present,” said one official, wishing to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the subject.
“We don’t have any independent intelligence that it was a nuclear facility – only the assertions by the Israelis and some ambiguous satellite photography from them that shows a building, which the Syrians admitted was a military facility.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_Intelligence_does_not_show_Syrian_1018.html
Iran hasn’t attacked anybody, unlike Israel. But if talk is a prelude to destruction, then Ahmadinejad has nothing on the Zionists.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
So, for the last friggin’ time, what do you suggest?
Ah, not meeting with them?
How do you think not talking to them will help ensure global peace and prosperity?[/quote]
We should have talked to them when the moderate leader, whose name escapes me at the moment, was in charge.
What have they done to promote global peace and prosperity? Their human rights record is far from spotless.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
We should have talked to them when the moderate leader, whose name escapes me at the moment, was in charge.
What have they done to promote global peace and prosperity? Their human rights record is far from spotless.
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But we can’t live in the past. Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Iran hasn’t attacked anybody, unlike Israel. But if talk is a prelude to destruction, then Ahmadinejad has nothing on the Zionists.
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Enless, of course you count arming proxy armies to do your bidding the same as attacking someone. I know certain unnamed posters accuse the US of doing the same thing in Nicaragua and elsewhere then condemning us, yet when Iran arms Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban and Al-qaeda, it is suddenly ok.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We should have talked to them when the moderate leader, whose name escapes me at the moment, was in charge.
What have they done to promote global peace and prosperity? Their human rights record is far from spotless.
But we can’t live in the past. Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?[/quote]
What have they done to promote global peace and prosperity?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Footsolider88 wrote:
And SYRIA downplayed the nuclear site attack, gee wonder why.
US intelligence does not show Syrian nuclear weapons program, officials say
According to current and former intelligence sources, the US intelligence community has seen no evidence of a nuclear facility being hit.
US intelligence “found no radiation signatures after the bombing, so there was no uranium or plutonium present,” said one official, wishing to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the subject.
“We don’t have any independent intelligence that it was a nuclear facility – only the assertions by the Israelis and some ambiguous satellite photography from them that shows a building, which the Syrians admitted was a military facility.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_Intelligence_does_not_show_Syrian_1018.html
HISTORY WILL NOT BE REWRITTEN BY THE ANTI-SEMITES
Iran hasn’t attacked anybody, unlike Israel. But if talk is a prelude to destruction, then Ahmadinejad has nothing on the Zionists.
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Sorry, there was no evidence that it wasn’t either.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/926815.html
Plus, HISTORY has shown that other attacks had positive albeit short-lived effects as well.
"Israel made a wise decision when it decided to bomb Syria on October 5th. As a result, the Palestinian terrorist organization Islamic Jihad has called a halt to all suicide bombings. The parents of the 29-year-old female suicide bomber who blew herself up inside Maxim’s restaurant in Haifa on Saturday have sent a letter of apology to the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, and to the Mayor of Haifa. In their letter they state explicitly that they would have expected no more fitting a punishment than the demolition of their family home, the measure taken by the IDF after the bombing, and that they are saddened and bewildered by their daughter’s action. “We accept our displacement with dignity and take upon ourselves full responsibility for our daughter’s senseless action,” they wrote. In response to this unprecedented letter, Israeli military authorities stationed outside Jenin offered relatives of the dead woman a thirty-minute reprieve from all travel restrictions, issuing them temporary passes for free travel throughout the northern West Bank if curfew is lifted within the next 24 hours.
For its part, Syria has issued an ultimatum to Palestinians residing within its borders. They must shut down all media offices and possible terrorist training camps within the week. Failure to take immediate action will result in a house-to-house search and arbitrary arrests in order to clamp down on any suspected or potential terrorists. A poll taken just after the bombing outside Damascus this past weekend revealed that more than 90% of the Syrian public has softened its stance towards Israel. Surveys showed they admire the militancy of Ariel Sharon and the no-negotiations policy he has pursued with their government. More and more Syrians believe that normalizing relations with Jerusalem would be a welcome step as their acceptance of the Jewish state has increased dramatically especially in the last three years. Issues such as Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights and its military presence on the Syrian-Israeli border no longer create resentment in the popular mind. Some of the respondents even suggested that an Israeli-sponsored coup against Syrian President Bashar al-Asad with a corresponding restructuring of their government along the lines of the United States’ backed governing council in Iraq could help pacify and stabilize the entire region". (“Counterpunch”, Lowenstein, 2003)
When threatened and faced with war, the terrorists shrivel and cower. It’s ok when suicide bombers aim and target civilians and spew threatening rhetoric and ok when AHmadinejad supports and funds Hamas, HIzbollah who kill US soldiers and ISraelis but the anti-semites whine and complain when Israel defends herself by attacking no, not civilians but a potentially threatening reactor. MORAL RELATIVISM = Ridiculous.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?[/quote]
Why should we sit down and talk to someone who has a “Death to America” day? Isn’t it an indication they are no way peaceful toward us?
I see we do not have a “Death to Iran Day”.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?
Why should we sit down and talk to someone who has a “Death to America” day? Isn’t it an indication they are no way peaceful toward us?
I see we do not have a “Death to Iran Day”. [/quote]
So your argument isn’t that not talking will result in better outcomes than talking, it’s that we shouldn’t talk to them because they are mean?