Israel Will Soon Disappear

I thought this might benefit your perspective as well, lixy:

[quote]Uncle Boutros and Uncle Tom - A Lesson In Arab Tolerance
12 February 2006

My friend and scholar, Jerry Gordon, sent me a note the other day alerting me to Diane West�??s great article in the The Washington Times referring to the essential historian, Bat Ye�??or�??s, writings on dhimmitude.

Having written somewhat myself on the subject of the forced Arabization of much of the region�??s lands and peoples since Muhammad�??s successors burst out of the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century C.E. and spread Islam by their imperial Caliphal sword in all directions, events of late sired in Denmark also had me thinking anew on this subject.

How deadly ironic, hypocritical, and worse that Arabs and their lackeys�??who habitually demonize both Jews and their religion in the media, religious sermons, and elsewhere�??explode in world-wide rage because some Danes suggested that since many, if not most, of the conflicts going on in the world today involve Muslims, that their religion might just have something to do with this. And as if the age-old concept of the Dar ul-Islam versus the Dar al-Harb was just a Zionist concoction or such.

A listening to or a reading of even the so-called “moderate” Arab media in Jordan, Egypt, and Saudia Arabia routinely appears as if it has been lifted right out of Hitler�??s Der Sturmer. The same goes for the land of the Arabs�?? Iranian stooges.

While dhimmitude primarily refers to the plight of conquered, native Christian and Jewish populations, the People of the Book, keep in mind that Arab racist attitudes also extended to those who�??to jump on the winning bandwagon, escape taxation, and so forth�??became Muslims. And those who were not ahl al-Kitab either usually converted or were massacred.

The Abbasid Revolution in the 8th century C. E. largely occurred because of the disgust of the converted Mawali populations with the blatant Arabism of the Umayyads. And in the age of nationalism centuries later, hundreds of thousands of Muslims�??but non-Arabs�??would continue to be slaughtered in the name of the Arab nation…Berbers, Black Africans, Kurds, and so forth.

Keep in mind that these are the same folks who like to lecture about Zionist racism…you know, those same Jews who made Arabic the second official language of their state, have Arab representatives in the Knesset who routinely side with Hamas (which denies Israel�??s right to exist), and so forth.

All of this made me think about some famous quotes I had come across during my own doctoral study days.

In Amos Elon�??s Flight Into Egypt (New York, 1980), he reviewed his encounters with the late President Sadat�??s Foreign Minister, Dr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali. The latter would later become Secretary General of the United Nations.

A Copt�??i.e. a descendant of Egypt�??s now subjugated, ancient, pre-Arab Christian people�??it was largely believed that Boutros-Ghali was chosen for this post precisely because of his unquestioned, assured loyalty. Centuries of dhimmitude could be expected to have done its thing. And it did.

Listen carefully to some excerpts regarding this Copt�??s advice to Elon, a prominent Israeli journalist:

In his office, there is a map of the Middle East on which Israel is still blacked out…Israel must integrate by accepting the nature of the area…that nature that is Arab…In a tape of a long discourse delivered in 1975 to Professor Brecher he proclaimed that…in the vast area between the Persian Gulf and the Atlantic Ocean everyone had to be Arab or risk continuing strife…Still, Boutros-Ghali felt that there might be a solution. How?..Well, Israel could become an Arab country. Most Israelis were (Jewish) immigrants from Arab countries anyway ( pp.84-91).

While this might be a great answer to Iran�??s Ahmadinejad, who likes to claim a European origin for all of Israel�??s Jews, please pardon my nausea anyway.

But now think about what�??s going on all around the Middle East…the subjugation and at times outlawing of fellow Muslim�??but non-Arab�??Kurdish, Berber, and so forth languages and cultures ( i.e. Kurdish kids being forced to sing songs praising their “Arab” identities today in Syria and such), continuing slaughter of both Muslim and non-Muslim black Africans in the Sudan and elsewhere, etc.

Meanwhile, the Arabs�?? oil-addicted sycophants and/or fellow anti-Semites look on and act as if they�??re all deaf, dumb, and blind. If Israel was involved , there would be trials in Geneva, United Nations hearings, and so forth…and with the United States State Department likely joining the chorus.

To learn more about all of this, other scholars, besides the Egyptian Jewess Bat Ye�??or, have also made important contributions. One, in particular, Professor Albert Memmi, a Tunisian-born Jew at the Sorbonne, wrote a short but powerful work also exposing firsthand, like Bat Ye�??or, dhimmitude…and what needs to be done about it. Memmi supported Tunisia�??s struggle for independence from France, and the mere four lines on the opening page to his book, Jews And Arabs, say it all…

To my Jewish bothers To my Arab brothers so that we can all be free men at last…

Compare this to Boutros-Ghali�??s pathetic advice.

In fairness, in contrast to Copts who daily fear for their very lives in Egypt, a reading of what they have to say about these things when they flee abroad is telling as well. Ditto for Christian, pre-Arab Lebanese, Assyrians, Armenians, and others.

In 1852, Harriet Beecher Stowe authored a famous antislavery novel, Uncle Tom�??s Cabin, in which she wrote of the blacks�?? expected servile behavior towards their white masters.

Indeed, this is the Arabs�?? predominant idea of “tolerance”…a whole region of Uncle Boutroses.

So, the recent explosive episodes regarding the cartoons in Denmark should really have not been unexpected.

Arabs and too many of their non-Arab, but fellow Muslim wannabes typically believe that others may not indulge in what they routinely do to others, often many times worse.

The litmus test for the Muslim non-Arab too often becomes out-Arabing the Arab in hatred of the Jew, subjugation of the dhimmi, and/or defense of the faith…a faith which, after all, was shoved down their own throats, either directly or indirectly, centuries earlier by the imperial conquests of the Arabs.

Hopefully, the eyes of even the most naïve will at last open to the consequences of continuing to allow Arabs free reign with their hypocrisy and double standards.

And that thorn-in-the-side state of the scorned kilab yahud "Jew dogs"�??as Arabs like to call it�??is on the front lines for all the rest of the Dar ul-Harb…the realm of war in Islam�??s eyes.

While there are Muslims who disagree with the jihadists, the sad fact is that the militants are in the ascendancy, forcing all but a relatively few brave souls into silence or to cower behind them.

Wise up, World, before it�??s too late.

Gerald A. Honigman
http://radicalacademy.com/studentrefpolitics22gah81.htm[/quote]

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Right now, how does not talking to them promote promote peace and prosperity?

Why should we sit down and talk to someone who has a “Death to America” day? Isn’t it an indication they are no way peaceful toward us?

I see we do not have a “Death to Iran Day”.

So your argument isn’t that not talking will result in better outcomes than talking, it’s that we shouldn’t talk to them because they are mean?[/quote]

I said we should not talk to them because their goal is our destruction. It’s a little stronger than just being mean.

I said wait until possibly a moderate gets in charge of Iran, then talk.

I see no reason to talk to the current leader since he traveled the world to set up an anti-US alliance. What a way to spread peace and prosperity.

edit- That was my take on it. I guess they didn’t get sent for some reason. Sorry.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
So are you saying that the Arab Israeli conflict isn’t being driven by hatred. Are you saying that I am wrong, that the Palestinians aren’t being used as an excuse to justify what has been happening there for the last sixty years? [/quote]

What do you mean “Palestinians aren’t being used as an excuse”? This is like saying Native Americans were used as an excuse to raid the settlers.

[quote]You have again demonstrated your (and other arabs and muslims) rank hypocracy.

I don’t know what “hypocracy” means. Is that some kind of rule by the lower classes?

If you want to go down that road. You wrote something that wasn’t grammatically correct a page or two ago. [/quote]

What road? I asked a simple question.

[quote]Thread carefully. I don’t approve of the use of such expressions as “your people”.

Do you mean tread carefully. For you Lixy, I will tread more carefully in the thread. [/quote]

Yes. I do not identify with Palestinians anymore than I identify with the people of Oaxaca or Sanandaj.

[quote]So many have colonized London it is now reffered to as Londonistan.

Look up the word “colonialism” in a dictionary sometimes. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.

Well, unless you think Indians are a different species, and are actually referring to colonization.

I think colonization does describe what has happened over there. Entire towns have been repopulated with muslims. They are like going into another country. Indians aren’t a problem. [/quote]

So, you “think” colonization has happened over there. As long as you present it as your own opinion and not some statement of fact, I have no problem with that. I have to ask, are you a British citizen? If so, and if you feel that the “colons” are keeping you under their boots, expropriating your land and institutionalizing discrimination against you, I suggest you kick them out of your land. If you can rally up enough Brits behind you, be my guest.

And last I checked, Indians constituted the bulk of British immigrants.

[quote]East London is like another Sadr city where they are threatening to dig up Jewish, Chritian graveyards in order to turn them into muslim burial grounds.

I am unaware that the situation in East London is as bad as in Sadr city, or of any organized grave-digging phenomenon.

I didn’t say it is as bad, but it is moving in that direction. The government is not able to fully enforce laws there. Hundreds of English people have been murdered in lynchings by muslims there. Just last week in Britain two christian evangelists were threatened with assault and arrest by muslim police for practicing their faith in a muslim area. [/quote]

Well, you wrote “East London is like another Sadr city”. I don’t see how that can be interpreted in anything other than what I did.

And once again, if these “muslims” came to your country in the face of overwhelming opposition (in the case of Palestine, the figure was virtually 100%) then kick them out. That you fear lynching or threats should make it even easier to garner popular support and resist the “colonization”, with arms if necessary.

[quote]I posted an article about the plan to dig up the graveyard in a tread you participated in back in October. http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1754608&pageNo=1

I’ll repost the article after I post this so you can reread it. [/quote]

So friggin’ what?

You compare a “plan” to accommodate a religious minority’s deads in a public graveyard to a decade old military occupation?

I have trouble believing you’re serious.

[quote]More importantly, how come the locals are not demanding that these “colons” beat it?

Because the government has been very militant towards any dissent by the people. [/quote]

So…? Last I checked, the opposition was alive, healthy and the democratic process was still kicking in Britain.

Wake me up when the UN starts issuing condemnations of this horrid “colonization”.

You’ll never catch me defend the labour party.

Screw them!

[quote]Arabs have indeed conquered parts of Africa. If you can point out to specific African countries where the Arabs haven’t mixed up with the locals, assimilated and where there is a resistance movement that wants them out, you may have a point.

Assimilating into the local population is not the same as imposing your culture at the point of a sword. There was resistance that was violently suppressed. [/quote]

Once again, if you can point out to such resistance movements, you might actually know what my position is.

Although, I am unaware of any indigenous movement to kick the “Arabs” out besides Polisario.

[quote]Eh? America and Europe are largely democratic. If these hordes of “colons” have put the locals in open-air prisons Gaza-style, planted a flag, declared the birth of a new state, created a massive refugee crisis and subsequently refused their right to return to their land, how come “Americans and Europeans” are complacent in the face of this abuse?

There aren’t enough muslims in the west at the moment that you can do much more than set bombs off on public transport. Eventually when the demographics tip in your favor we will suffer the same fate of other peoples that have been overrun by muslims. [/quote]

Let me get this straight: You are comparing the Israelo-Palestinian conflict to what might potentially occur “in the west” some time in the future?

What have you been smoking?

[quote]Swedish Hells Angels are busy blowing up the Bandidos.

They could get bored with that. The HA’s and Bandidos have made peace before. [/quote]

Don’t know. Don’t care.

You mean like what has happened in the countries where “some muslims” blew up a bus or a train?

I demand examples.

[quote]I don’t think a decision should be made based on the will of a handful of people, but were they to acquire a majority voice, then yes. My response would be just what you quoted.

So when it happens you will say we asked for it? [/quote]

What do you mean “we”?

[quote]If the BNP had responded to the London bombings by blowing up a couple of mosques would you response to that have been “What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?” ?

Again, if the BNP can get the British people behind him for such acts, then sure. But I suspect you’d need more than “the London bombings” to convince the Brits of the necessity to blow up a couple of mosques.

Another grammatical mistake. Him is singular, them is plural. Things are changing in Britain. [/quote]

Good for you! Allow me to mention that things are not changing in Palestine.

Explain to me again who is giving this “elite status” and to whom.

From what I understand, the representatives of the people (note that I am a libertarian socialist, and naturally oppose the democracy of the bourgeoisie) are trying to bring all their constituents on an equal footing.

[quote]What will you say if the people of Africa decide they have had enough of the Arab invasion and start fighting to reclaim their land? “What do you expect? That the locals will just swallow the pill?”

Heh, I’m way ahead of you. As I ask earlier, whow me where that is happening.

“Whow me where” Did you mean show me? Another spelling mistake tsk tsk tsk. Sudan and Ethiopia are peaceful? Arabs aren’t attacking Blacks there? [/quote]

Huh? Arabs in Ethiopia? That’s a new one. As for Sudan, everybody’s black so I don’t quite see how you make the distinction.

But tell me, what’s your beef anyway? Is it religion? Language? Skin color? Because let me tell you that you’re all over the place. You jump from Britain (where Arabs constitute a fraction of a point) to “Blacks” in Sudan. That’s a most untenable position when you try to compare any of that to Israel.

But don’t let logic get in your way…

This has gone off on a tagent with Lixy. The point I was making though was this. Arabs and Muslims have been coming to the west by the boatload and enjoying hospitality that muslims refuse to extend to Jews.

In Britain vast counry estates with lush green land extending as far as the eye can see have been bought up by Arabs. In the North of England entire towns have been taken over where the population is more than ninety percent muslim. Even though many people are not happy about it noone is firing rockets into these places on a daily basis in protest.

So it is hypcritical of muslims to react violently to European Jews reclaiming a small patch of sand that their ancestors were violently driven off of.

When the UN voted to recognize the state of Israel the Arab countries declared war, invaded, and took over half the country. The west bank originally was part Israel till the Jordanian army rolled in and annexed it.

The plight of the Palestinians is a strawman. If they hadn’t been going around setting bombs off and murdering jews they would have had the moral high ground from which they could have demanded and gotten better treatment.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
This has gone off on a tagent with Lixy. The point I was making though was this. Arabs and Muslims have been coming to the west by the boatload and enjoying hospitality that muslims refuse to extend to Jews.

In Britain vast counry estates with lush green land extending as far as the eye can see have been bought up by Arabs. In the North of England entire towns have been taken over where the population is more than ninety percent muslim. Even though many people are not happy about it noone is firing rockets into these places on a daily basis in protest.

So it is hypcritical of muslims to react violently to European Jews reclaiming a small patch of sand that their ancestors were violently driven off of. [/quote]

What, on God’s green Earth, is stopping the British people from preventing Arabs buying “counry estates”? The country is sovereign, free from any foreign military occupation and its government is voted in democratically.

That you would even think about comparing Britain to Palestine is moronic. Much of the British immigration that has occured in the last century was a direct consequence of British imperialism. They went around, guns in hand, claiming lands in the name of the queen. Israel, on the other hand, is mostly a result of German imperialism and Nazi history. The Post-WWII people of Palestine (Muslims, Christians and Jews) are the victims here.

Who gives a crap about “the Arab countries”? I’m talking about the indigenous population of Palestine. The farmers, the children, the women and the elderly that were driven off their lands by the Haganah. The piles of bodies the Irgun slaughtered. The horrendous conditions under which the Palestinian people are now living in under the IDF’s boot.

Screw the Arab countries! And screw the foreign imperialistic powers that were occupying them!

Moral high ground? What moral? These folks have been under colonial boots for as long as the oldest Palestinian remembers. First the Ottomans, then the Brits, then the Zionists. Do you expect them to lay low and accept a status quo such as the current one, in the hope that Zionists feel pity for them and treat them better?

Screw you and your retarted arguments! They don’t have to demand nothing from nobody. You can’t take away their right to fight for a dignified life, and as long as one of them is standing, he/she will resist the Israeli incursions and the ever-expanding settlements (that even Bush couldn’t stop!).

Israel as we know it, is not viable long-term. Sooner or later, it’s Zionist foundations will crumble. At that point, you’ll have die-hard Zionists taking up the arms to defend the dream of their forefathers, perpetuating the violence. Relocating people on such a massive scale despite overwhelming opposition from the locals, was one of the most criminal and tragic event in modern history. Calling it a strawman is simply stupid.

Funny how no one complains about the extermination of the Christians in Muslim countries.

Jon Stewart (the self-hating Jew?) strikes again!

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=d3cd627c-2d5f-4ee9-9ecc-d6e7e990450d

[quote]lixy wrote:

Screw the Arab countries! [/quote]

For perpetuating this b.s.

The Arabs in Palestine were indigenous to Arabia. Gaza had been occupied by Aegean Sea Peoples since at least 1000 BC, while Lebanon was Phoenician. Jews have lived in Palestine since the invasion of Canaan roughly 3000 years ago.

The Arabs showed up around 700 AD. Of course, the Arabs are the race that believe they have the right to dominate the entire earth under the sword of their prophet, so we shouldn’t be surprised by your reading of history.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Sifu wrote:
This has gone off on a tagent with Lixy. The point I was making though was this. Arabs and Muslims have been coming to the west by the boatload and enjoying hospitality that muslims refuse to extend to Jews.

In Britain vast counry estates with lush green land extending as far as the eye can see have been bought up by Arabs. In the North of England entire towns have been taken over where the population is more than ninety percent muslim. Even though many people are not happy about it noone is firing rockets into these places on a daily basis in protest.

So it is hypcritical of muslims to react violently to European Jews reclaiming a small patch of sand that their ancestors were violently driven off of.

What, on God’s green Earth, is stopping the British people from preventing Arabs buying “counry estates”? The country is sovereign, free from any foreign military occupation and its government is voted in democratically. [/quote]

The reason why it isn’t stopped is because the British would see such a thing as discriminatory and predjudicial. Muslims on the other hand think that predjudice and discrimination against others is Okay.

[quote]
That you would even think about comparing Britain to Palestine is moronic. Much of the British immigration that has occured in the last century was a direct consequence of British imperialism. They went around, guns in hand, claiming lands in the name of the queen. Israel, on the other hand, is mostly a result of German imperialism and Nazi history. The Post-WWII people of Palestine (Muslims, Christians and Jews) are the victims here. [/quote]

One of Adolf Hitlers best friends was Mohammad Amin al-Husayni a Palestinian who was known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. He was the one who lobbied his friend Hitler to exterminate the Jews. In exchange for the holocaust he recruited thousands of muslims to join the Waffen SS. Palestinians and muslims made significant contributions to the holocaust. The only thing the Palestinians are victims of is blowback.

Muslims and Arabs have not only gone to Britain they have moved around the world. In most cases they have recieved a friendly welcome they would not extend to others on their land.

[quote]
When the UN voted to recognize the state of Israel the Arab countries declared war, invaded, and took over half the country. The west bank originally was part Israel till the Jordanian army rolled in and annexed it.

Who gives a crap about “the Arab countries”? I’m talking about the indigenous population of Palestine. The farmers, the children, the women and the elderly that were driven off their lands by the Haganah. The piles of bodies the Irgun slaughtered. The horrendous conditions under which the Palestinian people are now living in under the IDF’s boot. [/quote]

What about the Jews and Roma who were driven off of their land by muslim members of the Waffen SS and sent to places like Auschwitz?

[quote]
Screw the Arab countries! And screw the foreign imperialistic powers that were occupying them!

The plight of the Palestinians is a strawman. If they hadn’t been going around setting bombs off and murdering jews they would have had the moral high ground from which they could have demanded and gotten better treatment.

Moral high ground? What moral? These folks have been under colonial boots for as long as the oldest Palestinian remembers. First the Ottomans, then the Brits, then the Zionists. Do you expect them to lay low and accept a status quo such as the current one, in the hope that Zionists feel pity for them and treat them better?

Screw you and your retarted arguments! They don’t have to demand nothing from nobody. You can’t take away their right to fight for a dignified life, and as long as one of them is standing, he/she will resist the Israeli incursions and the ever-expanding settlements (that even Bush couldn’t stop!). [/quote]

We all know violence is the muslim way, but Nonviolence would have gotten them a lot farther. If my arguement is retarded then Ghandi who I got that arguement from is retarded.

Satyagraha 100 Years Later: Gandhi Launches Modern Non-Violent Resistance Movement on Sept. 11, 1906

ARUN GANDHI: Well, I had the opportunity to go there in 2004. And as it turned out, I was the last foreigner to have meet Yasser Arafat and to have spoken to him. And the message that I took to the people in the Middle East is that this kind of violence that you are committing is not beneficial to you or beneficial to anybody. You are only destroying a whole generation of young people and not achieving anything. And lately, after 2001, after the terrorist attacks here, everybody in the West has been looking at suicide bombers as terrorists. And so, instead of gaining sympathy for the cause of the Palestinian people, you are only, you know, gaining more anger and frustration, and people are branding you as terrorists, and you are losing the battle there.

So I tried to suggest to them that they should take, you know�??reexamine their whole procedure and see what they can do nonviolently to achieve their goals. I suggested to them that Napoleon, the greatest military general that the world has seen, has written in his book that the general who holds the initiative has better chances of winning the war. And I said in this case, you are not holding the initiative at all. It is the Israelis who are holding the initiative, and they are making you do things that they want you to do, and that can justify more violence and separation of your people.

JUAN GONZALEZ: What was the response of President Arafat, who had spent his whole life in armed resistance, basically, to free his people?

ARUN GANDHI: Well, one of the questions that he asked me was, well, suppose you were given the leadership, what would you plan to do? And I said, look, I can�??t give you an offhand answer to this question, because it needs to be studied properly. I need to be here. I need to understand the problems here. But one thing that really comes to my mind here, I said I had just been to Amman, Jordan, where I had met with more than half a million refugees, Palestinian refugees, who were living for more than a decade in awful conditions. And they were frustrated and angry, and they wanted to come back to Palestine and live a peaceful, normal life there. And I told�??

AMY GOODMAN: You have ten seconds.

ARUN GANDHI: I told Mr. Arafat, I said, suppose you were to go there and lead this half a million people, men, women and children, in a march to Palestine, and no armaments or anything, just say that we are coming back to live in peace and harmony in our homeland, can the Israelis kill so many people and live with their conscience? I said the whole world would wake up and stop this action.

[quote]
Israel as we know it, is not viable long-term. Sooner or later, it’s Zionist foundations will crumble. At that point, you’ll have die-hard Zionists taking up the arms to defend the dream of their forefathers, perpetuating the violence. Relocating people on such a massive scale despite overwhelming opposition from the locals, was one of the most criminal and tragic event in modern history. Calling it a strawman is simply stupid.[/quote]

The voilence of the Palestinians and Arabs towards the Jews didn’t leave the Jews any other choice. The Jews won’t let Massada fall again. Lixy your Arab wet dream of wiping Israel off of the map will brutaly fail. The Israeli nuclear arsenal is several times the size needed to trigger worldwide nuclear winter.

You muslims refusing to settle with the Jews peacefully has put all of humanity at risk before and it will again.

He was also Yasser Arafat’s uncle.

Al Hussieni was Arafats uncle who raised him. He was Hitlers envoy to the middle east. He was implicated in a plot during WW2 to poison the Tel Aviv water supply with enough toxin to kill hudreds of thousands. Afterwards he fled Iraq where he was taken in and protected by Kharaillah Tulfah.

Kharaillah Tulfah became Hitlers representative in Iraq and led an uprising against the British. So Hitlers foreign policy in the Arab world gave Tulfah some power in Iraq. What Kharaillah Tulfah is most known for though is his nephew who he raised, Saddam Hussein.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Funny how no one complains about the extermination of the Christians in Muslim countries.[/quote]

Fuckin’ infidels! They deserve it! Non-mooolams deserve death!

Hey, all. Just wanted to say that there’s been a lot of interesting questions and arguments in this thread since I last posted. I’m definitely gonna get back and contribute once I chill out after tomorrow’s exam!

[quote]G87 wrote:
Hey, all. Just wanted to say that there’s been a lot of interesting questions and arguments in this thread since I last posted. I’m definitely gonna get back and contribute once I chill out after tomorrow’s exam![/quote]

Good luck. Finals?


Two Israelis arrested with bombs in the Mexican Congress
http://www.aztlan.net/blowup.htm

[quote]Footsolider88 wrote:

Sorry, there was no evidence that it wasn’t either.[/quote]

You mean besides the absence of radiation? Either way, your statement speaks volumes. Even after the Iraq disaster, people still eagerly swallow the very same lies from the very same people.

This just in:
WASHINGTON – Defense Department counterintelligence investigators suspected that Iranian exiles who provided dubious intelligence on Iraq and Iran to a small group of Pentagon officials might have “been used as agents of a foreign intelligence service… to reach into and influence the highest levels of the U.S. government,” a Senate Intelligence Committee report said Thursday. (hmmmm, “foreign intelligence service” – who might that be?)

The aborted counterintelligence investigation probed some Pentagon officials’ contacts with Iranian exile Manucher Ghorbanifar, whom the CIA had labeled a “fabricator” in 1984. Those contacts were brokered by an American civilian, Michael Ledeen, a former Pentagon and National Security Council consultant and a leading advocate of invading Iraq and overthrowing Iran’s Islamic regime.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/40080.html

In case you needed to know more about Michael “Yellowcake” Ledeen:

Michael Arthur Ledeen (b. Los Angeles, California, August 1, 1941) is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a contributing editor to National Review. Ledeen was a founding member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and he serves on the JINSA Board of Advisors. Ledeen is also a member of Benador Associates.

In 1974, Michael Ledeen moved to Rome where he studied the history of the Italian Fascism. In 1977, he went to Washington to join the Center for Strategic and International Studies affiliated with Georgetown University.

[quote]Plus, HISTORY has shown that other attacks had positive albeit short-lived effects as well…

When threatened and faced with war, the terrorists shrivel and cower. It’s ok when suicide bombers aim and target civilians and spew threatening rhetoric and ok when AHmadinejad supports and funds Hamas, HIzbollah who kill US soldiers and ISraelis but the anti-semites whine and complain when Israel defends herself by attacking no, not civilians but a potentially threatening reactor. MORAL RELATIVISM = Ridiculous.
[/quote]

Do you have ANY idea how many times Israel has been busted committing acts of terror posing as Arabs? So many that NOBODY believes or trusts them anymore (except Americans, but thats changing too). The fact that they’ve been busted so often proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that terrorism is Israel’s best friend. It allows them to do anything they want. Need to attack Gaza or end peace talks – here comes some rockets…

Mortar mishap sparks security scare ahead of peace summit (oops)
Three mortars, apparently fired by a private Israeli defense contractor accidentally, exploded in northern Israel near the Lebanese border Monday. The explosions, which Israeli police initially blamed on the Lebanese resistance group Hizbullah, caused a security scare ahead of today’s Sharm el-Sheikh summit.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=12482

The point is, you have no idea whether a terrorist attack is real or a false flag – and clearly it doesn’t matter… they’re ALL GOOD… for ISRAEL…

Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

9/11: Israeli Truck Bombs

Israel Code Name “Cherry”
Specially trained soldiers armed with light, concealable weapons pose as Arabs as they prowl the territories in confiscated cars with West Bank license plates.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,968858,00.html

PA uncovers Israelis posing as Al-Qaeda agents
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=3544

The Lavon Affair - refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt were bombed in the summer of 1954.

After 50 years, President Katsav presents three surviving members with certificates of appreciation at Jerusalem ceremony - yeah!
JERUSALEM - After half a century of reticence and recrimination, Israel on Wednesday honored nine Egyptian Jews recruited as agents-provocateur in what became one of the worst intelligence bungles in the country’s history.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3065838,00.html#n

King David Hotel Bombing - Members of the Irgun, commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi and dressed as Arabs and as the Hotel’s distinctive Sudanese waiters, planted a bomb in the basement of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem

British anger at terror celebration - wahoo!
The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killed 92 people has caused offence

USS Liberty incident - (hey, it was just an accident) The Israeli attack, which killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded at least 173, was the second deadliest against a U.S. Naval vessel since the end of World War II

USS Liberty Memorial

Israeli agents ‘helped Entebbe hijackers’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553246/Israeli-agents-‘helped-Entebbe-hijackers’.html

Gotta love their uncanny clairvoyance too…

Odigo says workers were warned of 9/11 attack
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has\

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack
A number of Israelis staying on Wednesday at the Radisson hotel were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=3415

Mossad Chief Confirms Netanyahu’s Warning of London Bombing
July 2005

Israeli Security to Protect London’s Underground
09/21/04
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/69208

Of course, I don’t claim to be no Einstein…

[quote][i]To the Editors of the New York Times, Dec. 2, 1948:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States…

Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future…"[/i][/quote]
–Albert Einstein and other prominent Jewish signatories
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

Netanyahu likens U.S. war to Israel’s campaign
April 10, 2002
The former prime minister said terrorism would spread to U.S. shores if Israel does not shut down Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat’s “terror factories.”

“If not destroyed, this madness will strike in your buses, in your supermarkets, in your pizza parlors, in your cafes,” he said.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/10/mideast.netanyahu/index.html

Here is an article from an Israeli website which gives some idea of the mood in Israel vis a vis the Iranian nuclear program.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5332

Analysis: Israeli military welcomes Mofaz�??s �??red line�?? for Tehran
June 9, 2008, 7:30 AM (GMT+02:00)

Last week, Deputy Prime minister Shaul Mofaz said Israeli strikes on Iran looked �??unavoidable�?? given its progress in uranium enrichment and ineffectiveness of the alternatives. The rush by his colleagues in government to condemn the Iranian-born minister�??s outspoken threat of unilateral action was as politically-motivated as his own outspokenness.

Mofaz has gone public on his bid to take the lead of the Kadima party when prime minister Ehud Olmert is finally forced out by the corruption case him. But the country is in jitters over Iran�??s rapid progress towards nuclear armament and genuinely thirsty for a sign of clear action amid the shilly-shallying on major national security threats, including Hizballah, Hamas and the Palestinians, displayed so far by the heads of the Olmert government.

They prefer to place their reliance on �??the international community�?? and sanctions.

DEBKAfile�??s military sources in the Gulf report that Iran, in contrast, is deep in preparations to sustain an attack and hit back. The all Qods commander Gen. Qassem Soleimani, they say, has been appointed to spearhead counter-action against the US and Israel, and Tehran has poured huge military and financial resources into the Brigades�?? resources for retaliating against a strike against its nuclear installations.

These sources describe the general as a quiet talker but well capable of managing all al Qods�?? various assets across the Middle East for reprisals against their sponsor�??s enemies. Gen. Soleimani has been given sole command of this operation. Detached from the regular Revolutionary Guards Corps hierarchy, he defers directly to supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. So secretive are his activities that funding comes in cash from Khamenei�??s bureau. Therefore, Gulf sources say, Soleimani�??s tactics and targeting will take the enemy completely by surprise.

Israeli military and intelligence sources told DEBKAfile that the high-level domestic animosity to Mofaz�??s remarks was more damaging than the remarks themselves. They referred especially two Israeli ministers close to Olmert and defense minister Barak, who asserted he did not represent government policy.

Our military sources maintain that Mofaz at least offered a rejoinder to the extremist Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who until now has had the stage to himself for increasingly atrocious threats against Israel.

Only last week in Rome, he used another UN platform to declare that Israel would soon disappear �?? �??with or without Iran�??s help.�??

Not a single voice was raised in the world body or international community to condemn him.

In contrast, strong challenges to Tehran have been voiced by both US presidential contenders. And at the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee conference last week, Elizabeth Cheney, until recently a principal deputy assistant secretary of state in the New East Bureau, spoke up clearly.

She is quoted by the Washington Post as saying: �??When�?� red lines aren�??t there, when our enemies like Iran and Syria begin to believe that can act with impunity, you see situations like you have got in Lebanon today �?? where Hizballah now has a veto over that government, where Hizballah will be able, I fear, to significantly continue its efforts to rearm southern Lebanon, continue to threaten Israel and allow Iran a real chokehold on the region.�??

In any case, the comment made by Mofaz, a former chief of staff who served as defense minister until 2006, was not that much different from earlier Israeli statements: Infrastructure Minister (Labor) Binyamin Ben Eliezer said earlier this year that if Iran developed nuclear weapons, it would be destroyed �?? �??that would be the end of Iran.�??

Last month, the recently-retired Israeli Air force chief, Brig. Gen. Eliezer Shkedy said Israel must take action against Iran, even unilaterally, because its nuclear program is an existential threat to the Jewish state.

Asked by an interviewer whether Israel is capable of hitting those installations given their broad geographic dispersal, Shkedy replied tellingly: �??There is no problem which has no operational solution.

DEBKAfile�??s military sources add that the Israeli Air Force has set up an Iran Command to coordinate operations with the ballistic missiles and air and missile defense brigades which deploy the Arrow and Patriot anti-missile missile systems.

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Two Israelis arrested with bombs in the Mexican Congress
http://www.aztlan.net/blowup.htm

Footsolider88 wrote:

Sorry, there was no evidence that it wasn’t either.

You mean besides the absence of radiation? Either way, your statement speaks volumes. Even after the Iraq disaster, people still eagerly swallow the very same lies from the very same people.

This just in:
WASHINGTON – Defense Department counterintelligence investigators suspected that Iranian exiles who provided dubious intelligence on Iraq and Iran to a small group of Pentagon officials might have “been used as agents of a foreign intelligence service… to reach into and influence the highest levels of the U.S. government,” a Senate Intelligence Committee report said Thursday. (hmmmm, “foreign intelligence service” – who might that be?)

The aborted counterintelligence investigation probed some Pentagon officials’ contacts with Iranian exile Manucher Ghorbanifar, whom the CIA had labeled a “fabricator” in 1984. Those contacts were brokered by an American civilian, Michael Ledeen, a former Pentagon and National Security Council consultant and a leading advocate of invading Iraq and overthrowing Iran’s Islamic regime.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/40080.html

In case you needed to know more about Michael “Yellowcake” Ledeen:

Michael Arthur Ledeen (b. Los Angeles, California, August 1, 1941) is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a contributing editor to National Review. Ledeen was a founding member of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), and he serves on the JINSA Board of Advisors. Ledeen is also a member of Benador Associates.

In 1974, Michael Ledeen moved to Rome where he studied the history of the Italian Fascism. In 1977, he went to Washington to join the Center for Strategic and International Studies affiliated with Georgetown University.

Plus, HISTORY has shown that other attacks had positive albeit short-lived effects as well…

When threatened and faced with war, the terrorists shrivel and cower. It’s ok when suicide bombers aim and target civilians and spew threatening rhetoric and ok when AHmadinejad supports and funds Hamas, HIzbollah who kill US soldiers and ISraelis but the anti-semites whine and complain when Israel defends herself by attacking no, not civilians but a potentially threatening reactor. MORAL RELATIVISM = Ridiculous.

Do you have ANY idea how many times Israel has been busted committing acts of terror posing as Arabs? So many that NOBODY believes or trusts them anymore (except Americans, but thats changing too). The fact that they’ve been busted so often proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that terrorism is Israel’s best friend. It allows them to do anything they want. Need to attack Gaza or end peace talks – here comes some rockets…

Mortar mishap sparks security scare ahead of peace summit (oops)
Three mortars, apparently fired by a private Israeli defense contractor accidentally, exploded in northern Israel near the Lebanese border Monday. The explosions, which Israeli police initially blamed on the Lebanese resistance group Hizbullah, caused a security scare ahead of today’s Sharm el-Sheikh summit.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=12482

The point is, you have no idea whether a terrorist attack is real or a false flag – and clearly it doesn’t matter… they’re ALL GOOD… for ISRAEL…

Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
“We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

9/11: Israeli Truck Bombs

Israel Code Name “Cherry”
Specially trained soldiers armed with light, concealable weapons pose as Arabs as they prowl the territories in confiscated cars with West Bank license plates.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,968858,00.html

PA uncovers Israelis posing as Al-Qaeda agents
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=3544

The Lavon Affair - refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt were bombed in the summer of 1954.

After 50 years, President Katsav presents three surviving members with certificates of appreciation at Jerusalem ceremony - yeah!
JERUSALEM - After half a century of reticence and recrimination, Israel on Wednesday honored nine Egyptian Jews recruited as agents-provocateur in what became one of the worst intelligence bungles in the country’s history.
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3065838,00.html#n

King David Hotel Bombing - Members of the Irgun, commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi and dressed as Arabs and as the Hotel’s distinctive Sudanese waiters, planted a bomb in the basement of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem

British anger at terror celebration - wahoo!
The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killed 92 people has caused offence

USS Liberty incident - (hey, it was just an accident) The Israeli attack, which killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded at least 173, was the second deadliest against a U.S. Naval vessel since the end of World War II

USS Liberty Memorial

Israeli agents ‘helped Entebbe hijackers’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553246/Israeli-agents-‘helped-Entebbe-hijackers’.html

Gotta love their uncanny clairvoyance too…

Odigo says workers were warned of 9/11 attack
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has\

Scores dead in three Amman hotel bombings; Israelis evacuated before attack
A number of Israelis staying on Wednesday at the Radisson hotel were evacuated before the bombing by Jordanian security forces, apparently due to a specific security alert. They were escorted back to Israel by security personnel.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/printerfriendly.php?storyid=3415

Mossad Chief Confirms Netanyahu’s Warning of London Bombing
July 2005

Israeli Security to Protect London’s Underground
09/21/04
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/69208

Of course, I don’t claim to be no Einstein…

[i]To the Editors of the New York Times, Dec. 2, 1948:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States…

Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin’s behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

The public avowals of Begin’s party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future…"[/i]
–Albert Einstein and other prominent Jewish signatories
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/einstein/1948/12/02.htm

Netanyahu likens U.S. war to Israel’s campaign
April 10, 2002
The former prime minister said terrorism would spread to U.S. shores if Israel does not shut down Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat’s “terror factories.”

“If not destroyed, this madness will strike in your buses, in your supermarkets, in your pizza parlors, in your cafes,” he said.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/10/mideast.netanyahu/index.html
[/quote]

All you are doing is spewing rhetoric and propaganda. And some of your sources i.e. Marxists.org? I mean seriously? Marxist? New York Times? A paper that pushed the Holocaust to the back pages because it wasn’t newsworthy?

What do these posts have to do with the original topic or are you just a raging anti-semite?

And let’s not forget the “Palestinians” who hide behind civilians so that it appears the Israelis are firing on them. Remember this?

And for the record Netanyahu’s comments in the article I do not agree for the most part (gee I wonder why you chose that one anyway) because “Palestinians” as well as Iran threatening Israel is not proof that they are ready to live side by side.

Oh PS… propaganda debunked

http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/9-11conspiracytheories.pdf

USS liberty myth

Yeah, Michael Ledeen sounds like he doesn’t know what he is talking about here right? Oops maybe just to anti semites
http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200511020857.asp

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Therefore, Gulf sources say, Soleimani�??s tactics and targeting will take the enemy completely by surprise.
[/quote]

One only needs to look at the terrorist activities of Al-Qaeda, training tapes of Iran’s military and navy, tactics of Hezbollah during their war with Israel, how Iran’s proxies waged war during the Lebanese civil war, 40 years of Palestinian terrorism, the Iran hostage crisis, Hamas’ rocket bombardment of Israel, the bombings of embassies and soft targets abroad and Iran’s tactics when battling Iraq, and Soleiman’s “tactics” will surprise no one.