Is TRT Important?

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  1. I am running 500mg Test E and 200mg Tren E and not planing to increase these dose.
    I am curious about after i stop them should i jump on TRT or i should do PCT. also if i do PCT, will i be able to keep my gains and continue with supplements and diet? Bcz i am planning to run cycle with a minimum 1 year gap…

  2. If i am on TRT, will i be able to get my fertility back or its a permanent damage?

  3. Please share your opinions on TRT,PCT AND FERTILITY and how to get it back (fertility)

  4. Should i be running OCT (on cycle therapy?) is it important? I started getting gyno pain so i am on tamoxifen 20mg ed.

  5. My balls are getting small, should i be worried or i can let them be.

Thank you everyone
Just want to learn deeply about all things

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It’s scary to me that you’re taking tren and asking these questions.

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Thats why i asked i am ok to do anything. Just asking for suggestions.

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Considering what you’re doing, you’ll likely be hypogonadal and need HCG, clomid, and/ or TRT for life.

Likely not if you don’t use HCG with it.

See the HCG thread. Have you considered going to a doctor for fertility about such a serious matter?

I’ll leave myself out of this one.

Yes, if you care about having kids one day.

Considering you have mentioned fertility three times, are you sure you want to juice considering its importance. You surely are working against and difficulty ahead.

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I’m not medically trained or really interested in fertility so haven’t read up on it but I’m surprised at this statement as i have read a lot of stories about people blasting and then having kids so saying you’re likely to be hypogonadal for life do you mean unable to conceive without help (as in with the hcg etc) as you don’t think his testes will recover?

I do agree that

the op should talk to his doctor and maybe get fertility tests done so he has a baseline at least.

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I have heard and read about such stories too. And I have no idea if these people use HCG or not while blasting.

Yes, likely hypogonadal.

Yup. And I think if fertility is that important, stating away from roids.

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I’m on a private board with some dudes whose cruise is nearing a gram weekly.

Most do not use HCG but lets run some numbers:

  • 15-200 million swimmers per mL
  • average ejaculate is 1.5-5mL
    • low end: 22,500,000 swimmers (15mil x 1.5mL)
    • high end: 1 billion swimmers (200mil x 5 mL)
  • lets just say we’re 99.9% infertile. Just for easy numbers.
    • low end: 2,250,000 valid swimmers
    • high end: 100,000,000 valid swimmers

We’re pretty good at making babies. It’s why even being azoospermic isn’t a valid male birth control. We only need one to penetrate the egg.

Not to go giving out bad advice or anything, just discussing fertility by bro science numbers. Running HCG is still the best option to ensure fertility and prevent testicular atrophy.
@MrGrant

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How much hcg is good to use during cycle

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depends on what you want to do and what your priorities are, on MANY levels.

98% of TRT patients were able to regain fertility with HCG.
If that risk is worth it to you, then just stay off HCG until you’re planning to have kids. Maybe run a “maintenance” phase once or twice a year.

If you don’t want to risk ANY fertility, then stay on HCG permanently if still on TRT. Standard HPTA Restart protocol is 500iu 3x a week. If you’re not restarting, then maintaining fertility may be possible with 250iu 3x a week. It’s hard to tell without running a sperm count.

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Your doc is going to tell you how much to take depending on results. I needed 1000 IU thrice per week to have kids while on TRT.

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This is a scary post. I don’t even want to know how young you are. For reference I have knocked a girl up on cycle so some experience here. The steroids won’t make you crazy infertile but they don’t help obviously

If you ever want to have kids anything more than just straight Test is a big risk. Tren being probably one of the worst. Since you are already on cycle I would go down to a TRT dose of 200mg Test E and stay there. Do some READING on what the different HCG protocols are and decide what fits your needs.

The fact that you didn’t know your balls would shrink on that cycle concerns the fuck out of me

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Maybe just semantics, but TRT is medical treatment for hypogonadism. I would call what you are doing blast and cruise, as you won’t come off in an effort to maintain muscle gainz, not as a treatment for a medical condition.

If you are going to cycle once per year and fertility is a concern, that’s an argument for running a PCT after a cycle.

If you are trying to hold onto as much muscle as possible, maybe because your livelihood depends on it, then that’s an argument for blast and cruise.

The path you take is up to you. I would include HCG either way.