Starting TRT, Cruise and Blast?

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I’m curious about cruising and blasting and really just looking for some advice, info, and opinions from more experienced users. Allow me to provide some background.

I’m 28 years old and have done a cycle of steroids the last 2 fall/winter seasons. My first cycle was a very simple cycle of Test-E at 500mg a week for 12 weeks. My PCT was 4 weeks of toremifene. Made good gains and bounced back no problem. Later in the year I noticed I was feeling tired a lot lately and became a little concerned that maybe my T levels were low so I went and had blood work done.

My doctor told me my T levels were fine but my vitamin D was really low (which makes sense being I work a night shift job and sleep during the day limiting my exposure to the sun). So, I started taking vitamin D and that seemed to help. Since my test levels were fine I decided to do another cycle.

The following year I decided to try something a little stronger and did a stack of Test-E and EQ. A friend of mind laid out my cycle for me in a diamond cycle for 10 weeks where the dosage starts low and slowly increases before tapering back down. I did the same PCT as the last cycle and felt like I bounced back fine.

However, after a while I noticed my sex drive seemed low and I was feeling tired again. I attributed the tiredness to me not taking my vitamin D lately and the sex drive I just figured I only felt like it was low because it was so high while I was on.

This brings me to today. After taking the vitamin D, I noticed I was still feeling tired and it’s only gotten worse. I’m tired all the fucking time and I have zero drive or motivation to do anything. My workouts and diet are suffering as a result and so is my relationship as my sex drive is pretty poor. I still have sex, but not as often.

I was thinking about doing a cycle again because I miss the drive, motivation, sex drive, and of course muscle gains. This time I decided to speak to my doctor about it though. So, after telling her what I wanted to do and everything that’s been going on, she wanted to do a blood test first to see where my levels are.

Well, the results came back and my T levels were 258. After speaking with her, I decided that I wanted to do TRT in the form of injections. I’ve been prescribed Test-cyp at 200mg every 2 weeks. I’ll be starting today.

I’m not sure whether or not my low T is attributed to my last 2 cycles, but I don’t feel like such moderate cycles would cause that if I wasn’t already prone to it or something. Either way, my shit is low and I’m going to be on TRT which will shut me down anyway. So, I feel like I should take advantage of the benefits of cruising and blasting. I don’t want to do any crazy cycles or anything.

I’m not looking to get incredibly huge. I just would like to be happy with my physique and be at the peak of my genetic limit or maybe a little beyond. So, I’m just looking for info, opinions, and advice on whether or not it’s good idea. What would be the benefits? The cons? What’s the best way to do it? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks for your time.

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there may be an underlying cause for your low t. You can go that route by trying to figure out why and possibly correct the problem or just continue with trt.

I would let everything stabilize on trt first, see if you need adex, how much t you need, if you want to use hcg etc. before jumping on a blast.

For trt you should be injecting twice a week to keep hormones stable. 200 once every 2 Weeks is just Fucking stupid and any doc suggesting that should not be prescribing it in the first place. So, take it upon yourself to 50ml twice a week.

There is a lot to learn about trt that sadly, most docs are clueless about, you need to read read and read some more, do not depend on your doc to give you all the right answers.

so what it comes down to is, get your trt straightened out, make sure you know all the precautions to take and then you can start adding things in if you want.

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Thinking I’ll probably just stick with the TRT. Honestly, I have a suspicion that my test has always been somewhat lower than it should have been. It’s never been easy for me to gain muscle mass. I realize that may have more to do with my metabolism than test levels, but I don’t think it can be ruled out. And when I had my blood test done last year, my doc told me my levels were fine, but she didn’t tell me what they were. For all I know they were in the 400’s and she felt like that was a suitable level.

I don’t think I’ll need any adex or hcg for just the TRT dose as I didn’t need any on either of my 2 previous cycles. When I blast, that would be something to consider then, but I prefer to keep the dosages low enough to minimize most side effects. Definitely will be reading up on what I would need when deciding my cycle.

I actually was planning to split my doses into twice a week. I appreciate you bringing that up. I read elsewhere that it was recommended and I also felt like that would be the best route to go. So, having someone else also tell me only reinforces what I felt like I should be doing. My doc had me come to the office for my first shot to make sure I was doing it right. So, the first one was the full 1ml, but I’ll be doing bi-weekly from here on out.

Thanks for your input.

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No problem man, just keep an eye on estrogen, it may start to creep up, but it may not, just monitor it.

Same with hematocrit, keep it monitored.

I’m sure you know with trt there is sterility issues so if .you plan to have kids I would get some sperm frozen just in case using hcg doesnt do the trick, but even then, there are still options if you don’t do those two, just something to think about, but other than that enjoy your therapy man, low test to high normal testis like night and day, good luck.

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Find out what your T levels were when they were “just fine.” If they were decent, a proper restart should work fine and would be much better than lifelong TRT, which has a lot of inconveniences and some risks, and very seldom feels quite as good as a naturally decent T level, and I say this as someone on TRT.

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I would check other things before doing TRT. If you go the TRT route keep estrogen in check you may need an AI and also moniter blood pressure and hematocrit.

I would include hcg If you plan on having kids and want to keep your balls from atrophy.

Cruise on TRT for a bit and get everything settled before a blast so you know where your levels are at. At 200mg My T is in the high 900s and I also take adex .25mg 2x a week and that keeps my e2 around 25.

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[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
low test to high normal testis like night and day, good luck.[/quote]

Man, you are not lying. Had the shot that morning and by noon I felt like a brand new man lol.

[quote]seekonk wrote:
Find out what your T levels were when they were “just fine.” If they were decent, a proper restart should work fine and would be much better than lifelong TRT, which has a lot of inconveniences and some risks, and very seldom feels quite as good as a naturally decent T level, and I say this as someone on TRT.[/quote]

I guess I could do that. I mean, I would rather have normal test levels naturally if I have a choice in it. What would be a proper restart?

[quote]BUDs wrote:
I would check other things before doing TRT. If you go the TRT route keep estrogen in check you may need an AI and also moniter blood pressure and hematocrit.

I would include hcg If you plan on having kids and want to keep your balls from atrophy.

Cruise on TRT for a bit and get everything settled before a blast so you know where your levels are at. At 200mg My T is in the high 900s and I also take adex .25mg 2x a week and that keeps my e2 around 25.[quote]]

What other things can cause low T? I’ve looked it up and a low T website I found wasn’t mentioning anything that seemed like could be fixed without TRT. As in, it was stating things that caused low T were out of my control.

As far kids go, I’ve already got one and spoken to my wife on the issue. We are both aware that this could reduce the chances of having kids but both of us are ok with this. I personally don’t want another child and my wife just wants me back to normal more than anything else.

To be honest, how different I already feel makes me want to stay on TRT lol. I already can’t wait to get back in the gym. Not that I’m not taking you all’s suggestions in to serious consideration. I just really don’t want my T getting so low again, because I just felt like an absolute miserable person.

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I really like cruising, however, I’m 36 and after a couple years my wife decided to try for another child, so I just barely come off my latest cruise and am trying to get things back up and running.

I myself thought one child was enough a couple years ago so never really thought of it…stay leaner and stronger, feel and look better…but here I am!!!

Soon as a swimmer busts on thru though, I’m jumping right back on lol

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Thyroid problems, iodine deficiency, vit D deficiency, adrenal problems, these are some problems that can cause low T or low T symptoms. The addition of hcg will better your chances of having kids later.

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Since you seemed hesitant to add hcg, I would just add that I waited until I had some slight testicular atrophy and then researched it thoroughly. My understanding is that while test will shut down your natural production of Test and the precursors, LH and FSH are typically faster to bounce back, so HCG keeps the pumps primed, so to speak, on the piece that might not come back as quickly should you decide to ditch your TRT.

If there’s another thread on this, I’d love to be linked, but I often wonder if long term TRT may be less risky than cycles with PCT and all that. I have friends as well that have carefully cruised and blasted their way through many years without major issues.