Starting test cyponate at 250 MG a week. Running my own program with some guys who have done it before but are far from pros. Looking for any additional advice on how to run a safe program while keeping my fertility.
What should I supplement the TRT with? Clomid? What dose? Total beginner so anything helps. Thanks.
This isn’t TRT.
TRT is medicine. There is no TRT beginner in the same way there is no insulin beginner or thyroid beginner or metoprolol beginner.
TRT is prescribed by a doctor, not gym guys.
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Nope.
TRT and 250 mg/week test cyp doesn’t compute.
Here you go:
Read this and feel free to ask questions. Reasonably quick read…a few hours for the first run through.
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Consult a doctor who does this for a living. Get pharmaceutical testosterone, something produced by a licensed pharmacy.
Nothing, but if you wish to maintain fertility, hCG. Clomid? No. By the way, if fertility is a concern, you especially should seek professional management.
This is not TRT
You don’t need a SERM while on your cycle
Edit: you know, I say it’s not TRT, and it’s almost certainly isn’t in your case, but you don’t actually know that until you get lab work and see where 250mg puts you. Since you’re doing this on your own and have no idea, let’s call it a “cruise” instead. I’m sure you will be blasting at some point in the near future.
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There’s no guarantee that you will stay fertile on TRT.
It’s pretty crazy that on a forum called T-nation, I’m still winning on the graph lol.
To the op, are you blasting and cruising, trying to replicate a somewhat legit TRT protocol, or just doing a performance “TRT” protocol?
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I find its crazy that something that started from Dave Tate and Wendler, and yes, is called a testosterone nation, taking MORE is actually frowned uppon 
Its like joining an MMA gym where no one thinks violence is the key
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As others have pointed out this isn’t TRT. There are many issues with you post, you should see a doctor…… since your mind is made up to follow the gym bros here is what you’re after anyway [to be clear this is my(a random internet user)non medical personal opinion].
If you want to guarantee your current fertility have some frozen and stored.
Otherwise-
125mg Test Cyp every 3.5 days
250IU HCG the day before Test injection
0.5mg Adex with injection
Get blood work after 6 weeks, present to doctor(preferred) or post here someone might give their experience on the state of numbers. Repeat every 6 months or protocol change after this.
You should probably consider durations.
If going for aesthetics and not health, 125mg Test per week for 3 months and then a blast of 250 or more for 3 months is more usual than the 250 all year unless you’re huge. Good luck
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Selection bias. You are an atypical AAS abuser. Difficult to get the hardcore dudes to drop their fork and needle for a few hours to accurately measure their TT/fT and then post it along with their protocol.
Most on this forum seem to not care for charts and sh@t like that. They go more by the feelz only and don’t want their fun ruined by some stupid data and charts and sh@t like that. They are here to chat about the good stuff.
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Where did you read that? Since the forum did the easy to miss transition of the TRT section into a subsection of the Pharma forum maybe you got lost? This is the TRT subsection. We all love more T in the Pharma section upon completing proper due diligence.
See below…the Pharma stuff is one box and TRT has two boxes:
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I agree, I am hoping that my transition to a lower cruise, may get me into the subjective category of user and not abuser haha. In the real world, of the guys and few gals I know that use AAS, I am on the lower end.
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And my apology I should have probably stated you were an atypical AAS abuser (at the time you possessed the data point shown). You appear to be back in the TRT / TRT+ boundary now from what I have read.
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@mnben87 I recently lowered my TRT dose to 120mg/wk from 160mg/wk. Its been about a month and so far I’ve noticed nothing but positives. I’m done with blasting, but when I did, I actually found it harder to lift heavy. My joints/back/knees always hurt. Now that I’m on regular TRT I have been pushing PRs left and right. Go figure.
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I am down to 145 mg a week (62.5 mg every third day). I haven’t noticed much difference so far for feeling or performance.
I should still have pretty good levels on that. I am going for an average TT of around 1,000, and the math points me to 145 mg/wk as a dose to get me there.
I don’t think I am interested in doing bigger blasts at this point. I’ll probably do some simple, short, low dose ones. Something like 30 mg of Tbol a day for 4-6 weeks.
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So glad to see you post this man. I’m experiencing the same thing right now, too. I’ve been titrating down to see how little Test I can pin and still look, feel, and perform well. I’m down to 140/wk right now (for about 4 weeks so far) and still setting little PRs each week during prep for my Oct 1 PL meet.
Edit: so I’m not highjacking OPs thread….OP, my doctor advised me a while back when I first got on TRT that my best chance at maintaining fertility was to keep Test levels in normal range and supplement with HCG. Babies have been conceived on Supraphysiological levels, for sure, but he told me to stay below 1,000 ng/dL, and he was a no-shit urologist, FWIW
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You will be on T for the rest of your life. no reason to abuse it… start T now, and dont have low t? You will have low t guaran F teed…