Is This What Professional BB Is Like?

Man - you guys get so incredibly offended when anything negative is posted about the sport. I mean, there is a seedy side to it, and so what if people want to discuss it?

There is a ton of drug abuse in bodybuilding, plus a lot of depraved sexual shit going on - but so what? There are also some fine champions who are upstanding family men. Both sides exist - so why can’t it all be fair game for discussion. I also can’t believe you tell people to get the fuck off the board just because they don’t care to weigh 250 lbs +…

And the OP - always seemed like a nice guy, good poster as far as I can see - he posted this and asked some questions, and some of you are acting like he’s a total prick with some sort of nefarious scheme to defraud the sport.

Honestly, you sound like a bunch of little kids who can’t accept an ounce of criticism (of guys you don’t even personally know) when it comes to the atheletes you admire…just seems kind of fucked up to me…

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
And the OP - always seemed like a nice guy, good poster as far as I can see - he posted this and asked some questions, and some of you are acting like he’s a total prick with some sort of nefarious scheme to defraud the sport.[/quote]

Thanks. I refrained from posting in this thread as there are many impassioned individuals in here.

I wasn’t trying to take bodybuilding down a notch. I just wanted to know the other side of the story.

Just wanted to point that out. I’m not going to post in this thread anymore.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Man - you guys get so incredibly offended when anything negative is posted about the sport. I mean, there is a seedy side to it, and so what if people want to discuss it?
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There is a seedy side to every publicly praised sport in the country. However, this article being discussed is sensationalized refried bullshit from 1997 taking bits of truth and making it into entertainment…something some newbs probably won’t understand. If someone wants to discuss some bodybuilder doing gay porn currently, more power to them. I am sure most people are aware by now that Kai Greene was an exotic dancer. That is one reason he catches so much shit for his posing routines which are clearly based off of whatever he was doing in that job. I mean, let’s face it, some of these guys (not all or most of them by any means) are going to use their bodies to pay the bills. I guess that is what happens when all you want to do is eat and lift weights all day with no educational background and no job that can support the massive food and supplement bills being charged up every month.

The truth is, though, that people like Troy Alves and Toney Freeman are winning lately…not Greg Kovacs or any other chemically insane mass monster pushing 400lbs in the off season to the detriment of their own health who needs a beach towel for toilet paper.

My gripe is with those NOT discussing CURRENT events and bringing up people who haven’t competed since the OJ verdict as if that is a current problem in pro bodybuilding.

People have been focused intently on the “seedy side” of bodybuilding for a very long time now. They have NOT been giving credit to those who do not act that way or the activity as a whole as it moves in a more appropriate direction.

Let me ask you, why do we need to focus so regularly on the negative aspects of an activity like this when it has been done to death over and over and changes have been made in many regards?

Do you think there is something we’ve missed?

Do you think this is helping the activity of bodybuilding in the public eye when most people today see anyone with big muscles and assume they are a criminal?

Maybe those of us who look more the part on a daily basis get easily offended because the general public throws all of us into the same boat. They focus on the negative so why do we as well?

[i]IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don’t talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don’t train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].
Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard! [/i]

damn that was weird to read

[i] IM: Yeah, and you gotta keep risking your life to try to make a few bucks winning a show.
BB: I’ll tell you what: [Some] of the guys, like [blank], are gay prostitutes.

IM: Think so?
BB: I know so. That’s how they can afford all those drugs. That’s definite. Of course [certain people in] the gay community are going to walk up and say, Hey, we’ll give you so much to have sex. That’s just like a straight guy walking up to Cindy Crawford and saying it. But for us it’s a way to make a good $10,000 a month. It helps with our drug bill and sometimes they just give us drugs for the act. [/i]

WHAT THE FUCK?? Since when? I had no clue that shit happened, these are straight guys doing this shit?

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[i]IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don’t talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don’t train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].
Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard! [/i]

damn that was weird to read[/quote]

You think most of the guys on the pro stage are “half asleep” when they train?

Because the article said so, huh?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
[i]IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don’t talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don’t train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].
Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard! [/i]

damn that was weird to read

You think most of the guys on the pro stage are “half asleep” when they train?

Because the article said so, huh?[/quote]

Nah it was just strange that a top pro would say that, maybe he’s half assing it though? I don’t know.

I obviously don’t know how true all of that was, and it doesn’t change how I feel about amateur/natural bodybuilding but I just did not think that kind of stuff happened. I mean “straight” guys doing gay prostitution?? really?

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
[i]IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don’t talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don’t train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].
Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard! [/i]

damn that was weird to read

You think most of the guys on the pro stage are “half asleep” when they train?

Because the article said so, huh?

Nah it was just strange that a top pro would say that, maybe he’s half assing it though? I don’t know.

I obviously don’t know how true all of that was, and it doesn’t change how I feel about amateur/natural bodybuilding but I just did not think that kind of stuff happened. I mean “straight” guys doing gay prostitution?? really? [/quote]

Like my point earlier, this article is NOT written by a pro bodybuilder. It is made up. Some of the issues they are discussing may be true, but it is linked together so that people like you who don’t know the difference will think exactly like you just did.

…and people wonder why we have a problem here?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
[i]IM: Drugs and training.
BB: We don’t talk about training, because most of the guys-

IM: All train alike?
BB: Well, yeah. We don’t train that hard. [Most of the guys] are half asleep when they [work out].
Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard! [/i]

damn that was weird to read

You think most of the guys on the pro stage are “half asleep” when they train?

Because the article said so, huh?

Nah it was just strange that a top pro would say that, maybe he’s half assing it though? I don’t know.

I obviously don’t know how true all of that was, and it doesn’t change how I feel about amateur/natural bodybuilding but I just did not think that kind of stuff happened. I mean “straight” guys doing gay prostitution?? really?

Like my point earlier, this article is NOT written by a pro bodybuilder. It is made up. Some of the issues they are discussing may be true, but it is linked together so that people like you who don’t know the difference will think exactly like you just did.

…and people wonder why we have a problem here? [/quote]

oh well I don’t know enough to be able to tell so you could definitely be right for all I know. I just never knew about the gay thing…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me ask you, why do we need to focus so regularly on the negative aspects of an activity like this when it has been done to death over and over and changes have been made in many regards??[/quote]

Actually, I find it all kind of interesting - all aspects of the sport and lifestyle, so I don’t feel that it’s a crime to discuss it.

Let’s face it - the average joe is going to look at BB the same way they always have - the dumb Hulk jokes, followed by the steroid cracks etc, etc ad naseum - you know it and I know it. Who really cares? I mean, you can’t change the perceptions of assholes who are hell bent on stereotyping something, so why bother?

Dude, I’m not as big as you are, but I get plenty of stupid horseshit regarding training all the time as well. I seriously don’t care what anyone else thinks. Why waste the energy getting angry? It’s just never going to change, so unless you like walking around annoyed and frustrated on a daily basis, I suggest you stop giving a shit. I mean, we’ve discussed this before - it’s NOT a compliment to have some prick trot out “STEROIDS” as soon as they see you coming, but asswipes will do it anyway - it’s like clockwork, it never fails, so again - fuck 'em, it really doesn’t matter what they think…

Finally, I just want to point out that I totally agree that article is 90% bullshit(and I also remember reading it back when it first came out) - I mean, guys backstage hooked up to an IV, practically at death’s door, training in your sleep because the juice does most of the work? We all know that’s completely idiotic. But, you can’t ignore the bad shit that does occasionally happen as well, it’s all part of the same package, like it or not. I’m not saying I don’t understand your desire to not focus soley on that, it’s just that I don’t see the issue with discussing it freely - it’s not like there aren’t plenty of positive Pro-BB topics on the board.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
optheta wrote:
But it does bring up a good question as to the state of Professional Bodybuilding today. I mean have they really have gotten to big? Why is bodybuilding not as popular as it was back in year of Arnold etc. Why did it lose its limelite?

I remember watching a video of Ronnie Coleman saying that “someday people will realize were just like any other sport.” It used to be like that but it went back to being underground :confused:

aww hell no! don’t /thread me. jk lol! I think certain aspects of bodybuilding have gone mainstream. Look around you. The boom of the supplement industry. Someone wants to get big. I walk into my new facility and see maybe 2 guys no counting myself that are there to take care of business. The rest of the population all want the same thing we strive for and punish our bodies to accomplish but a a lesser cost.

Need I say it? Fuck yeah! “Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but ain’t nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights! I do it though!” -King Coleman. Hearing him say, “I do it though” fucking fires me up to the point that upon the conclusion of this post I’m going to go train. Proudly proclaiming his deviance from the norm. The sport has gone mainstream to a lesser degree.

Everybody wants decent to big arms, a proud chest, cannon ball delts and by default live the lifestyle to a lesser degree. This halfbreed sees Coleman and says, “eww” while the true aspiring bodybuilder sees the man behind the 8 Sandows. The halfbreed stops when the burn in the bicep curl begins. The “few” push through the pain, drop that weight and continue until the burn is so intense the mind has to quickly block out the trauma. The differences are many and my time is exhausted.

My concluding statements are: certain aspects of the sport have gone mainstream but due to the view that society has regarding certain necessary factors the sport will never flourish.

Actually, most people don’t give a shit about building big muscles; so I wouldn’t call them half-breeds, considering they don’t have that aspiration in the first place!

I USED TO care about being huge; actually, my highest bodyweight - a blend of a lot of muscle and a bit of fat - was 245# at 5’10"; that’s when I actually wanted to get seriously involved in bodybuilding and powerlifting.

My priorities and interests in life have VASTLY changed; I now weigh a lean 220# and really wouldn’t mind being 200#. Life has actually been A WHOLE LOT EASIER AND FUN this year than when I was a bodybuilding fanatic.

Actually, I met my current girlfriend three weeks after saying to myself, “I so don’t care about being huge anymore.”

I’m not a halfbreed because I couldn’t care less about being overly jacked anymore.

I still take fitness and lifting very seriously. I lift three times per week on a TBT program and do much more cardio and flexibility work; plus I now have the energy and time to spread over playing schoolyard sports like handball and b-ball which in turn has let me develop new friendships and acquaintanceship.

I’ve also been more involved in career development and volunteer work.

I think some T-men might want to think about how different some other people’s priorities are; many of them SO DON’T CARE about being jacked.

Then they should stay the hell out of the bodybuilding forum. No offense, but there are quite a few of us who DO care about getting jacked and still manage to have all of the things you listed from a career to a relationship. The last thing they or we need is someone who isn’t as serious about making more progress professing how much they don’t want to get big. I doubt anyone here cares.

If you don’t want to gain anymore muscle, fine…keep it to yourself. Why is that even a topic of discussion on a forum clearly marked “BODYBUILDING”?

I am not sure what you wrote this for. Great, your priorities changed. Over the course of a lifetime, priorities will rise and fall for every single one of us. None of that changes the amount of focus and determination that goes into making significant physical progress.

This is not the forum for “people who don’t want any more muscle and who now are happy losing weight and not focusing so hard on bodybuilding”.

I mean, holy shit, you are not the only one with a demanding career or who has had to go to extremes at times in changing priorities to succeed at one task or another.[/quote]

Your job is far more demanding than mine; you’re a dentist.

I’m in the bodybuilding forum still because although I’m not heavily involved like I used to, I still like the sport and admire the competitors; I’m actually going to three shows in the next three months; I just saw one of my friends compete two weeks ago.

I said what I said because I THINK that when some guys use the words “half breed,” they are referring to guys that are not putting up impressive numbers and huge while most of these guys don’t care about getting big in the first place. Dr. Berardi wrote an article once, titled Weightlifting Snobbery, that goes over this sort of attitude.

Prof, you’ve accomplished more in the gym and your physique than I ever have and have a great education and highly respected job. I think that’s awesome; I have no intention of bashing anyone’s goals, desires, or lifestyle practices on here.

Perhaps I went on a bit of a tangent about myself and the content didn’t belong in the thread.

Peace!

First off, Invictica is a cool dude. I am sure that he just wanted to discuss the article, not put bodybuilding down, so anyone feeling mad at him needs to relax.

Other than that, the article is obviously fake. I agree with everything Professor X has said so far. It’s crazy to me to believe that people who work out believe that pro bodybuilders are falling asleep during workouts. How gullible are people? Damn!

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Kovacs’ alleged butt wiping with a beach towel because he couldn’t reach. Sure there are some narly skeletons to be exposed but events are rarely reported

Actually a good friend of mine was a witness to this when he hired Kovacs to guest pose for his show and went to check up on him in his hotel room.[/quote]

Respect CT, but I swear dude everytime I see your pic I get almost a Vietnam vet level flashback (I get a twitch too) of the red, blue lights behind me and my car up on the flatbed. “You gots to learn yer lesson son.” I loved that car and I killed him…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:

Then they should stay the hell out of the bodybuilding forum. No offense, but there are quite a few of us who DO care about getting jacked and still manage to have all of the things you listed from a career to a relationship. The last thing they or we need is someone who isn’t as serious about making more progress professing how much they don’t want to get big. I doubt anyone here cares.

If you don’t want to gain anymore muscle, fine…keep it to yourself. Why is that even a topic of discussion on a forum clearly marked “BODYBUILDING”?

I am not sure what you wrote this for. Great, your priorities changed. Over the course of a lifetime, priorities will rise and fall for every single one of us. None of that changes the amount of focus and determination that goes into making significant physical progress.

This is not the forum for “people who don’t want any more muscle and who now are happy losing weight and not focusing so hard on bodybuilding”.

I mean, holy shit, you are not the only one with a demanding career or who has had to go to extremes at times in changing priorities to succeed at one task or another.[/quote]

BRAVO! I proudly sponsor what my man Senor X has written. Life recently threw me a curve ball, threw me underneath the bus, and lit me on fire. Throughout the madness, the moments of uncertainty, and the fear I had my one constant. In an alien place I found myself doing the same thing I was doing in my natural habitat while pursuing my other ventures.

My physical goals didn’t diminish in magnitude because my entire enviornment was swapped. I made room for my bodybuilding goals. I had other demanding obligations but I made sure I got my training in and all my meals in. Maybe Men’s Health is something more to your liking? Instead of a forum where some of the posters are shooting for 300lbs and others are in competition prep.

[quote]RommelKorps wrote:
I think Ronnie is a great a person and represents what a hardworking champion should be. I just feel the era he ushered in brought some good and some bad

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I thought Yates was the first HUGE Mr Olympia?