[quote]BodyBldgBabe wrote:
Your avatar scares me. [/quote]
It’s the female version of Klippy’s avatar, minus the fucked-off teeth.
I can’t tell unless you’re holding a shoe.
no.
[quote]u_mombooto wrote:
Me or the OP?
He said he’s 20 in his post on supplement stacks. myself, I’m old enough to need dentures.
Pipes06 wrote:
u_mombooto wrote:
Not bad enough YET.
this kid may be on a cycle already. TAke a look, dammit:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1944129
I honestly think people should post stats and pics (face obscured for obvious reasons) before getting help on the steroids community.
Whats this world coming to?
How old are you?
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As soon as i wake up whey protein isolate with water
20 min after
meal 1:6 egg whites with 2 yolks, oats,1 hand full almonds,Vitamin -C 500 mg and omega-3 fish oil
after 1 hour 30 min
caffeine or pre workout sup like NO-xplode(cycle it 2 months on 1 month off)
work out
meal 2:whey protein isolate with 30 grams dextrose,5-8 grams BCAA and 5 grams glutamine ,200 mg chromium and 2 bananas …(i cycle creatine 2 months on and 1 month off)
after 1 hour 30 min
meal 3:brown rice with any green vegetables and 300 grams round cut beef or chicken breast and multi-vitamin and again vitamin-c 500 mg
meal 4:bowl of spinach and i add extra virgin olive oil to my spinach and 250 grams chicken breast or round cut beef
with whey protein concentrate shake with skimmed milk and omega-3
20 min before cardio some BCAA(to decrease the muscle burning)
CARDIO-3 days 30 min walking and 2 days H.I.I.T cardio for 15-20 min(hate it)
dont eat anything after that for like 40 min
meal 5:MRP shake with skimmed milk with omega-3 and 250 grams chicken breast or round cut beef
meal 6:10 egg whites with 2 yolks and 500 mg vitamin-c
meal 7:low fat cottage cheese or casein protein shake with glutamine and skimmed milk
(i grill my chicken and beef)
Okay OP, let’s sincerely evaluate you since you are a real live human being with feelings 
Since you did not provide a before picture we cannot adequately evaluate your progress.
You provide a picture where your body cannot be seen.
Youve stated you added weight and dropped body fat. That’s a good start, so congrats on the progress. (Not sure how you added an inch to your height…please PM me your secret because I would love to be 5’5"!)
What goals have you set for yourself and how do you plan to get there?
Be sincere with us and we will be more than happy to be sincere with you.
B-3
you’re just another casualty of unfavorable genetics in terms of muscle shape so no amount of working out is going to do much for you aesthetically. you can put on size and lean up but you can’t change your genetics. maybe consider power lifting instead of bodybuilding but there you need genetics on your side as well.
Way to dash the kid’s expectations, but you’re actually correct, which is why its really sad more youngsters don’t start resistance training before and during puberty, that makes a MASSIVE difference in what you look like. Once the number of muscle fibers and muscle proportions are set in, its difficult to make a significant change in any body part and I have yet to see too many examples proving me wrong.
But almost anyone can make a significant improvement in the way they look with adding LBM and leaning up when youve gained enough mass.
OP, you bench 150 which is not good at all and your squat and DL are not too high either but are decent compared to your bench numbers. Expect substantial improvement when you double your lifting numbers over time. Don;t be in a hurry to cut down if some comments made you feel that way.
YOur diet looks very very detailed and under control, but for three years of training, a 150 bench, 200 squat and 280 DL are not very good, particularly the bench.
TRy working full-body for a year or so and get your numbers and body weight up, and while you may never look like 1morerep (most people never will unless they trained from an early age OR had decent genetics to begin with) you can definitely score at least a 6 on this site.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
you’re just another casualty of unfavorable genetics in terms of muscle shape so no amount of working out is going to do much for you aesthetically. you can put on size and lean up but you can’t change your genetics. maybe consider power lifting instead of bodybuilding but there you need genetics on your side as well. [/quote]
[quote]ashe555 wrote:
As soon as i wake up whey protein isolate with water
20 min after
meal 1:6 egg whites with 2 yolks, oats,1 hand full almonds,Vitamin -C 500 mg and omega-3 fish oil
Add this to the morning protein concoction you’re drinking.
after 1 hour 30 min
caffeine or pre workout sup like NO-xplode(cycle it 2 months on 1 month off)
No real benefit to taking this, but can’t help as long as its helping you push yourself harder.
work out
(really? what do you do here? details)
meal 2:whey protein isolate with 30 grams dextrose,5-8 grams BCAA and 5 grams glutamine ,200 mg chromium and 2 bananas …(i cycle creatine 2 months on and 1 month off)
2 bananas after working out? I’d prefer if you had 1 banana an hour before the workout and the other one with your pwo drink.
after 1 hour 30 min
meal 3:brown rice with any green vegetables and 300 grams round cut beef or chicken breast and multi-vitamin and again vitamin-c 500 mg
meal 4:bowl of spinach and i add extra virgin olive oil to my spinach and 250 grams chicken breast or round cut beef
with whey protein concentrate shake with skimmed milk and omega-3
20 min before cardio some BCAA(to decrease the muscle burning)
CARDIO-3 days 30 min walking and 2 days H.I.I.T cardio for 15-20 min(hate it)
dont eat anything after that for like 40 min
Gee whilikers…do tell.
meal 5:MRP shake with skimmed milk with omega-3 and 250 grams chicken breast or round cut beef
meal 6:10 egg whites with 2 yolks and 500 mg vitamin-c
meal 7:low fat cottage cheese or casein protein shake with glutamine and skimmed milk
(i grill my chicken and beef)
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Are you eating to gain muscle or lose fat? Whatever carbs you want to eat, toss it in with your morning protein. The whole point of eating in the AM is to quash your overnite catabolism. HAve a BIG breakfast (carbs or no carbs, whatever your preference)
Lots of focus on cardio…If youre trying to lean up, LEAN UP. if youre trying to build mass, then build mass. Don;t try to do both.
I hope you’re not using the orkut “bodybuilding” groups for advice on gaining muscle and losing fat simultaneously. I still am not sure what your damn goals are and your diet and exercise routine have not made it clear either. I give up, please visit the beginners forum and see vroom’s post “are you a beginner”. Good luck.
If you look like that then I wouldn’t even count the 3 years you were working out, because you obviously did it wrong for 3 years.
If you want people to take this even remotely serious at least post a before picture.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
you’re just another casualty of unfavorable genetics in terms of muscle shape[/quote]
How can you pin it to genetic muscle shape when the guy is chubby and has no muscle? Wouldn’t it be better to suggest what he might be getting wrong rather than telling him that he has no hope?
Sure genetics play a part, but I think they are too often used as an excuse for defeat.
start from scratch, train with more technique and intensity, don’t ignore everything to do one thing.
I never understood how people can look themselves in the mirror , look like you do , and have the balls to post it on a hardcore(soon to be semi-hardcore…) bodybuilding website. I’m not sure whether to think your crazy or commend you on the amount of cajones you have.
[quote]Legionnaire wrote:
1morerep wrote:
you’re just another casualty of unfavorable genetics in terms of muscle shape
How can you pin it to genetic muscle shape when the guy is chubby and has no muscle? Wouldn’t it be better to suggest what he might be getting wrong rather than telling him that he has no hope?
Sure genetics play a part, but I think they are too often used as an excuse for defeat. [/quote]
i can just see by that one pic that the shape and proportion of his muscles are a mess and it’s not from anything he’s been doing in the gym. i see guys like that a lot at my gym. some are pretty big but it looks awful like they were put together by dr. frankenstein - everything all out of proportion and mishapen.
a prime example is someone like mike katz. mr. universe yes but i don’t think he had an aesthetically pleasing physique in the least. i’m not trying to be mean or insulting. i’m just being brutally honest in an objective manner. not everyone is cut out to be a bodybuilder. most power lifters are huge but could never make it in bodybuilding and vice versa.
Mike Katz was a Mr.Olympia runner-up as well. Even Ronnie is known for his weird ab musculature, but I don’t think it means the end of the road (for that matter, most current pros look like a collection of bodyparts with the exception of flex wheeler). Mass and conditioning can make a huge difference in someone’s appearance.
Dave Tate would probably not be too successful in BB with his shoulder to arm ratio, but most people would consider his dieted down physique aesthetic, full round muscle bellies or not. I personally feel that shoulder-width to waist ratio plays a greater role in people’s perception of physique but what are we discussing again? what looks good in an isolated photograph or would win a bodybuilding contest or what would improve people’s perception of one’s physique or what kind of physique stands out when in public with clothes on (or off)? They’re not all the same.
Ehhhh…whatever. Maybe the OP should just train longer than 4 months and see what happens.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
Legionnaire wrote:
1morerep wrote:
you’re just another casualty of unfavorable genetics in terms of muscle shape
How can you pin it to genetic muscle shape when the guy is chubby and has no muscle? Wouldn’t it be better to suggest what he might be getting wrong rather than telling him that he has no hope?
Sure genetics play a part, but I think they are too often used as an excuse for defeat.
i can just see by that one pic that the shape and proportion of his muscles are a mess and it’s not from anything he’s been doing in the gym. i see guys like that a lot at my gym. some are pretty big but it looks awful like they were put together by dr. frankenstein - everything all out of proportion and mishapen.
a prime example is someone like mike katz. mr. universe yes but i don’t think he had an aesthetically pleasing physique in the least. i’m not trying to be mean or insulting. i’m just being brutally honest in an objective manner. not everyone is cut out to be a bodybuilder. most power lifters are huge but could never make it in bodybuilding and vice versa. [/quote]
1morerep;
I know you’re giving constructive criticism.
I disagree because:
a) the shape of the muscle in his chest/arms (ie bellies) and the muscle fiber ratios are not indicative of the rest of his body. People have different fiber ratios for different muscles (etc)
b) I don’t think you can accurately examine his shape and composition when he’s 18% bodyfat since his fat is coating his muscle and distorting the perceptible shape.
c) I hardly ever see a pro bodybuilder who has optimal, or even good genetics in every muscle group. To me even many bodybuilders from the classic era had genetic flaws they had to cover up like a wide waist, or unsymmetrical biceps.
d) his pic looks like it was taken by an 11 year old cheerleading myspace addict.
Lastly, most people (ie. the people who post their pics) will become failures because of a lack of dedication long before genetics become a serious limiting factor.
That said, if this guy had balls of steel and went the distance religiously for 4 years and came back, you may be proven correct.
Edit: rbpowerhouse beat me to it.
I think everyones overanalyzing the situation. To put it simply , he’s a normal looking beginner who still does not look like he lifts.
[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
I think everyones overanalyzing the situation. To put it simply , he’s a normal looking beginner who still does not look like he lifts.[/quote]
agreed.
so OP did you ever do that cycle of test you were talking about doing?
[quote]Game_over wrote:
so OP did you ever do that cycle of test you were talking about doing?[/quote]
no i have not done the cycle…but planning on doing jungle warfare…
1morerep,
way to drink his milkshake.