Is This a Realistic Goal???

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Imen de Naars wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Fordy wrote:
Hope i didnt offend anyone by asking silly questions, at the end of the day if you hadnt have replied i wouldnt have found where i was going wrong!

Your questions weren’t silly at all. What was silly is that people didn’t send you to the Beginner’s room. You’re still a beginner. That’s NOT an insult. Everyone was once a beginner.

So if one asks me “what do you think if this is achievable”, I should tell him to go to the beginners, instead of simply replying yes or no? And If I don’t, I am “silly”?

This guy didn’t even know if he should “eat more” to gain muscle mass. What, in anything written, makes this guy look like anything BUT a beginner to you?

It truly makes sense to you to focus on that question rather than why it is being asked or by whom? That would be the difference between just posting to see your name on the screen and actually helping someone with anything you do write.[/quote]

I believe he was told to read the Beginner’s Forum in a different thread (prior to this one).

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[quote]Fordy wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I’ll give it 12 weeks as report back with pics…

Ryan Reynolds must have done some intense ab work to get a stomach like that!

Thanks[/quote]

I guess everybody has their own definition of intense…nevertheless if that’s your goal judging from your physique it is EASILY attainable

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Im right there with you. That is ALSO my goal.

HOWEVER, as a person who studies pop culture like its the bible, please remember that Ryan had just short of 6 weeks to attain that body. And with in that time part of his “job” was to hit the weight room, hit the shooting range, train with martial artists and wire workers, and eat right.

He got paid to do all that… im gonna assume you are not, just like i am not.

Be careful when reading what workouts he did, though he was very tight lipped about what he did, and TAKE YOUR TIME! Doing it in 6 weeks without proper guidance could be quite unhealthy.

Oh and the beginners section RULES if u can get past the ego filled responces.

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[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
Fordy wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I’ll give it 12 weeks as report back with pics…

Ryan Reynolds must have done some intense ab work to get a stomach like that!

Thanks

I guess everybody has their own definition of intense…nevertheless if that’s your goal judging from your physique it is EASILY attainable
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I wouldn’t say it’s easy for everyone. For the OP, it may be easy since he’s already lean to begin with. With proper training and nutrition, he may easily attain that.

However, some of us are not lean or can’t stay lean without really busting our asses with a perfect nutrition and training program. The last time I was very lean and in good shape was the summer of 2003, and it took nearly five months of busting my ass on a Renegade program along with near pefect nutrition to get to that point.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t stay that lean for long, and I had lost a lot of strength in the process. Now, I’m a good 35lbs bigger, but my bodyfat is in the 13-15% range versus the single digits I was before.

I’ve been trying to keep my current size and strength and lose fat, but it has been a very long and slow process.

So, although I think the Ryan Renolds look in Blade Trinity is what many people would like to look like (and I had a similar look in 03’), it may not be EASILY attainable, especially when you have different body types (like me - short torso, long skinny arms, narrow shoulders) and genetics to deal with.

But with hard work and consistency over time, I do think that is attainable (and more). :wink:

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[quote]Mad Titan wrote:

I guess everybody has their own definition of intense…
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LOL

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[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Mad Titan wrote:
Fordy wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I’ll give it 12 weeks as report back with pics…

Ryan Reynolds must have done some intense ab work to get a stomach like that!

Thanks

I guess everybody has their own definition of intense…nevertheless if that’s your goal judging from your physique it is EASILY attainable

I wouldn’t say it’s easy for everyone. For the OP, it may be easy since he’s already lean to begin with. With proper training and nutrition, he may easily attain that.

However, some of us are not lean or can’t stay lean without really busting our asses with a perfect nutrition and training program. The last time I was very lean and in good shape was the summer of 2003, and it took nearly five months of busting my ass on a Renegade program along with near pefect nutrition to get to that point.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t stay that lean for long, and I had lost a lot of strength in the process. Now, I’m a good 35lbs bigger, but my bodyfat is in the 13-15% range versus the single digits I was before.

I’ve been trying to keep my current size and strength and lose fat, but it has been a very long and slow process.

So, although I think the Ryan Renolds look in Blade Trinity is what many people would like to look like (and I had a similar look in 03’), it may not be EASILY attainable, especially when you have different body types (like me - short torso, long skinny arms, narrow shoulders) and genetics to deal with.

But with hard work and consistency over time, I do think that is attainable (and more). :wink:
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I am very lucky in that area, i could/did eat whatever i wanted when i wanted often missed out meals and ate alot of fatty foods.

I cant seem to put on any weight at all, yes during the 8 months i put on weight but only minimal muscle whilst my waist didnt get any bigger and never has done - i have never really eat healthily in my whole life.

That said - hopefully the diet i am going on will be VITAL in my quest to achieve the above. Good think about the programme i am using it was desiged for a begginer and its a starting point - i will stick to it and see what happens after 4 - 6 -8 - 10 - 12 weeks.

I cant wait!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Imen de Naars wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Fordy wrote:
Hope i didnt offend anyone by asking silly questions, at the end of the day if you hadnt have replied i wouldnt have found where i was going wrong!

Your questions weren’t silly at all. What was silly is that people didn’t send you to the Beginner’s room. You’re still a beginner. That’s NOT an insult. Everyone was once a beginner.

So if one asks me “what do you think if this is achievable”, I should tell him to go to the beginners, instead of simply replying yes or no? And If I don’t, I am “silly”?

This guy didn’t even know if he should “eat more” to gain muscle mass. What, in anything written, makes this guy look like anything BUT a beginner to you?

It truly makes sense to you to focus on that question rather than why it is being asked or by whom? That would be the difference between just posting to see your name on the screen and actually helping someone with anything you do write.[/quote]

Do you really think I give a shit about making my name seen on a screen? That would be downright pathetic. He asked a question, I replied. Stop.

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[quote]Imen de Naars wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Imen de Naars wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Fordy wrote:
Hope i didnt offend anyone by asking silly questions, at the end of the day if you hadnt have replied i wouldnt have found where i was going wrong!

Your questions weren’t silly at all. What was silly is that people didn’t send you to the Beginner’s room. You’re still a beginner. That’s NOT an insult. Everyone was once a beginner.

So if one asks me “what do you think if this is achievable”, I should tell him to go to the beginners, instead of simply replying yes or no? And If I don’t, I am “silly”?

This guy didn’t even know if he should “eat more” to gain muscle mass. What, in anything written, makes this guy look like anything BUT a beginner to you?

It truly makes sense to you to focus on that question rather than why it is being asked or by whom? That would be the difference between just posting to see your name on the screen and actually helping someone with anything you do write.

Do you really think I give a shit about making my name seen on a screen? That would be downright pathetic. He asked a question, I replied. Stop.[/quote]

I dont think he meant to have ago m8, i would imagine you lads get annoyed/fustrated when beginners come on this part of the site asking questions when they havent read up or researched any information to help themselves and expect others to do it for them - which realistically is exactly what i done…

So, getting back to the post - what do you personally think about the programme above?

Thanks

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Hi there,

Started the programme on the prev page today for the first time. My shoulders and across the top of my back are hurting alot… 1x100 lateral raises was not easy!!!

I was just wondering what you thought of the exercises. I have looked and studied through the routine. However i can only see one occasion where front raises are used - what are people opinions on this exercise.

I would have thought front raises would have been just as important the lateral?

I have also been looking through the past post, T -nation search engine and google/yahoo searches but cant find out what “Barbell power shruggs” are?

Thanks
Fordy

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Well, im fairly certain that a power shrug is pretty much like a cheat shrug, you just use a little momentum to shrug the weight up. Also, i wouldnt worry about the front raises, you do a lot of horizontal pressing work on that routine, which should hit your front deltoids well enough.

Best of luck --JB

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[quote]WS4JB wrote:
Well, im fairly certain that a power shrug is pretty much like a cheat shrug, you just use a little momentum to shrug the weight up. Also, i wouldnt worry about the front raises, you do a lot of horizontal pressing work on that routine, which should hit your front deltoids well enough.

Best of luck --JB[/quote]

So really, just the same as a dumbell shrugg apart from - you are using a barbell instead of dumbells and you are shruggin the bar up inline with your stomach contracting your shoulders?

Thanks for that as i was a little worried about the front raises.

Thanks

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Hi,

Eventually going to start this - afer a while working away i now have the time and resources to start this 12 week programme: My supplements have just arrived :-

Spike ? One in morning and one prior to training.
Surge ? 3 level scoops, 93grms 16 servings per container. Take after training.
Metabolic Drive - 3scoops 83grms. After workout on an empty stomach ? morning and night.
Micronized creatine ? 1 ? t spoons per serving. Mix with per/post workout.
Alpha Male - One in morning and one at tea ? always on empty stomach

Just received everything through the post listed above, only took a few days to ship from the US.

I now have an idea of what i have to take each day and when.

I have also added Fish oils x2 caps per day along with x2 multi vit’s…

Any comments on my overall intake welcome. Or on a diet that will compliment my supplements.

After reading Chad Waterburys book i have came to the conclusion to meet my goal o should look to take in 2400 calories 50/30/20 50% carbs 30 Protein and 20% fat.

I plan to eat every two hours (6 meals per day) and to drink around 6 pints of water per day. Obviously sprading my daily allowance over the 6 meals, and keeping the carb intake to a low after 6.

I also plan to train 5 days per week mon - friday with sat and sunday off. I am currently researching if it is beneficial to have a days rest in between more than likely wednesday.

I this thread a while ago with my goal, current size and aims. Unfortunately i have been working away 12 hrs per day and never got to start.

I now have the time, supplements and a little more knowledge of what i need to do and more importantly what i havent done in the past…

I wil post a current pic over the weekend and start a 12 week programme with progression pictures, stats and updates starting this monday. I also plan to measure myself every 2 weeks to find where i am and where i am under acheiving - Chads idea is to measure where you are going wrong and adapt/ammend your intake if you are going wrong…maybe to 33/33/33 or increase the protein intake - his book is excellent and explains it alot better than i can…

Only other issue is a programme after readin up on alot of them i am still unsure…For sum reason i like to train only one muscle group per day for example. mon -chest tues- Triceps Wed -Back Thur-Biceps and friday - say upper chest?

For some reason i dont seem to have the energy to train 2 muscles in one session - HOwever i never used to eat properly or take any supps, hopefully these will help and i can move onto a 3day plan?

Any help, comments, or feecback + or - more than welcome.

Thanks again
Fordy

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I am disappointed. In the beginning I saw that this was posted about 3 months ago and you mentioned starting a 12 week program. I was looking forward to some progress pictures.

If I were you I would mail all those supplements back and just concentrate on lifting. All the supps in the world are meaningless if you don’t work out.

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[quote]putty wrote:
I am disappointed. In the beginning I saw that this was posted about 3 months ago and you mentioned starting a 12 week program. I was looking forward to some progress pictures.

If I were you I would mail all those supplements back and just concentrate on lifting. All the supps in the world are meaningless if you don’t work out.[/quote]

I agree, so many guys read and never lift.

Anyway, Fordy 2400 calories sounds way too low, especially since you have trouble gaining weight (or so you say). Start at 3000 and if you dont gain weight in the first week, add 300 per week until you start and then keep it there until weight gain stops again.

You have to eat and lift heavy, and by eat I mean eat and eat and eat. This is the only way you are ever going to put on any size, and that why you may have lack of energy during lifting.

You are really over complicating this, trust me. Forget the supps, keep the fish oil & Metabolic Drive and put the rest in the cupboard.

You will not regret it, but don’t waste them now, even the Surge. PUT THEM AWAY. You have not been lifting long enough to know whether they are helping or not, so first start putting on muscle naturally, then worry about other things.

Don’t focus on the small details. Get a good, intense program.
Lift 5 days a week - no breaks needed during the week unless you feel sore for the first week or 2.

Train each muscle group twice a week.
Eat+sleep the rest of the time.

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Fordy,
Look up Berardi’s 7 Habits. One of them is that as a male, you’ll be eating 40-60 grams of complete lean protein per meal.

Do that 5-6 times per day, make sure your Post Workout Nutrition is in line too, follow the 7 habits, and I don’t think you’ll have to get overly caught up in calorie counting.

Whatever your routine looks like, make sure the foundation is bench press, rows, squat, deadlift, pull up/ pull down, and overhead pressing variations.

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[quote]novagreg wrote:
Whatever your routine looks like, make sure the foundation is bench press, rows, squat, deadlift, pull up/ pull down, and overhead pressing variations. [/quote]

Funny you should mention that because I was also making my workouts too complicated so I went back to the basics. My workout routine is pretty much what you posted there.

I workout 3/4 times per week (lift, off, lift, off, off, lift, etc. so 3 or 4 times per week)

Incline/Flat bench (alternate between workouts)
deadlift
squat
pullup
military

and I am exhausted. I would recommend this to the OP.

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Thanks for the replys.

The only reason i was looking to take in around 2400 calories per day was a result of following the formula in Chads book, however i do understand if i am finding it hard to gain weight i need to increase my calories. The only issue i have is i dont just want in increase my calorie intake and end up with a 4" bigger waist…

When you say take 3000 calories, should this be say 50% carbs then split the remaining 50%?

Like you mentioned it may be an idea to just get back into it for now and build a foundation, eat ALOT, train hard and then look to fine tune things…

I start monday, should post my current size including pics tomorrow, then every month following that.

thanks again
Glenn

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[quote]Fordy wrote:
When you say take 3000 calories, should this be say 50% carbs then split the remaining 50%?

thanks again
Glenn[/quote]

Usually, you would get about 1.5grams/lb of protein, enough mono- and polyunsaturated fats, and then fill in the rest with carbs.

But at your level, it’s probably okay if you make sure you eat often and a LOT, and get enough protein (around 50 grams) with every meal.

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I find it more than a little disheartening that there are so many people on this site who are willing to write off Ryan Reynold’s condition as “not that hard” to get into.

A simple Google search turned up the fact that for this role he gained 25 pounds of lean mass in 5 months. I don’t know about you guys, but for me 25lbs in 5 months is impressive. Also, for the whole movie, he maintained a body-fat percentage of ~4, another very impressive fact. I’m not saying the guy is huge, but its impossible to deny that he must have worked hard to get there.

-Mark

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Ryan reynolds size is my goal, something i have set for myself. Hence the reason i have started this thread.

I dont doubt for one seccond it was easy however he did have alot of time to train, proberly have nutritionists and trainers to help him acheive his goal.

I only wish i could find an appropriate programme that would allow me to not only hit my goal but also maintain it…I dont want to be any bigger than he is on the start of this post, i would love to have his stature then tone it down more.

I am under not illusion that it is going to take 5 months or even 10 months but i know i wont be far off if i follow all the information you lot have given me and work hard…i aim to gain around 2-3 pounds per week.

in order to bulk up while doing this i supose in order to increase in size from my current state i will benefit from lifting heavy weights with small reps, eg, 3x6/8 or 4x6 reps???

Current stats. Week 1 figures

Arms - 13.5"
Waist - 32"
Chest - 39"
fore-arm - 11"
calf - 15"
thie - 20"
Weight - 12.6 stone (Around 80kg)

I will review all the above areas every friday fortnightly.

Thanks again
Fordy