I think the other one Hutchens came out with will ruffle our feathers more, based on your write up of it!
Yep, it definitely will !!!
== Scott ==
Maybe I missed it but I looked again for a way to answer your question but I don’t see anything about a barbell providing an almost perfect resistance curve so much as just showing how to do a barbell curl properly . Did you think that was in there ? My best guess or take from the book was to use a reverse preacher bench where your arms are almost hanging straight down against a near vertical pad and do your barbell curl that way. I don’t know if that makes for a perfect resistance curve but it seems to be the best way to employ a barbell . The next might be using an arm blaster.
When you look at the book on the order site, the 2nd bullet-point down on ‘topics covered’ says that.
When you look at the book on the order site, the 2nd bullet-point down on ‘topics covered’ says that
== Scott ==
I see that now on the cover and there’s several pages or so devoted to curling with a bar or with dumbells including graphs and charts that I couldn’t follow so maybe that’s where it was? He goes over my head a lot of times.
Scott
== Scott ==
Well I got the other book Evaluations of Arthur Jones Contributions to Exercise and yes I think many on here will not appreciate it. There’s parts I like but other parts I’m not so fond of but I’d rather discuss this stuff person to person and since I can’t do that here I’ll just leave it at that for now. I do think some of you guys will get a kick out of how he rates the machines 1—10. Several favorites get a big fat 0, ha ha! Whether you love or hate Hutchins if you like reading about the goings on at Nautilus it’s probably a book you should have!
There is an update coming to it with some information on the Dynamate and Sportsmate although I’m not sure anyone other than long-time Nautilus fans even know what they are.
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The only thing I know about Hutchins is:
I had 2 rowing torsos, the original one and one that’s been upgraded with Hutchins super slow cams.
I was bummed bc the first rowing torso I got was the modified one. Then I bought the other.
After using both, hands down the super slow cams feel so much better!! It moves the hard part of the movement at the beginning, and stays consistent throughout the movement.
The original cams, really can’t feel at all the first half of the movement, then the last half, slams you in the face and is very overly aggressive. (Compared to the super slow)
Long story short, the rowing torso with Hutchins cams is a far superior machine than the original cams.
With that said, I still love Arthur.
I modified the cams on my rowing torso to even out the resistance . It’s still not hard enough at the beginning but much better than stock but I’d pretty much have to make a new cam for it to make it hard enough at the start . I wouldn’t mind having a few superslow modified Nautilus machines but I’ve never seen any of them for sale .
Scott
Drew, I got an updated version of the Compound Biceps book, I went through it
thoroughly and see ZERO material on the Dynamate and Sportsmate. And yes, I do
know what both of them are.
Spider curls. Gironda promoted them
Sorry, I think I sent the wrong note with the wrong book. The Dynamate and Sportsmate information is going into the Evaluation book, not the Compound Biceps book.
I also own a Nautilus Rowing Torso retrofitted by Tim Ryan with improved cams and I agree, there is no comparison to the stock cams. I also own a Next Gen Hip ADduction with a Tim Ryan cam. I designed and had a cam cut for a 2 seater Compound Biceps I owned and sold a year and a half ago. The stock cam on that piece was way too aggressive in the most contracted position, and I cut that cam so that the resistance started falling off mid way through the ROM, resulting in a 2:1 profile, not perfect, but much better than the original. At present my machinist is working on a radical fall off cam for my Second Gen Leg Extension. I was able to train on this machine with a wood cam mock up I made ( the last of 20 or so I cut) and I believe the resistance curve is perfect, and that when it’s done, it will be the best leg extension machine available.
I have owned a total of 50 or so pieces, sold or traded some because they weren’t very good, more recently because I moved from a house with a large basement and moved to a “patio” home ( a detached condo). As I have culled a large number of machines, I have had to make some tough choices. I decided to sell the Compound Positions Biceps for 2 reasons; as a stand alone exercise, I believe standing barbell curls are better for hypertrophy AND there are a couple of gyms near me that have either a Hammer MTS arms up machine or a Nautilus Nitro arms up machine I can use occasionally. I have used both of these machines as well as a Nautilus XPload curl piece and couldn’t tell any difference between any of the four of them. So I’m not saying there isn’t a place for these machines, I believe they can provide needed variety.
Have you tried the plate loaded Strive Leg Extension? You can customize almost any curve for any set, and the friction is minimal. IMO, it is, by far, the best leg extension machine money can buy.
I’m halfway through reading the ITrunk Extension pdf on the seriousexercise website to try and get a taste for Ken’s material. Having a hard time understanding what Ken is saying, but his hard on for Jones comes through loud and clear LOL.
I do a few TSC exercises already that I really like including rkc planks, and inverted planks across two benches with weight plates resting on the abs.
I have tried both the Strive selectorized and plate load pieces. Neither come close to having the exponential fall off required (7.5:1). This requires an almost oval shaped, somewhat narrow cam that is mounted to a sprocket about half the size of the movement arm sprocket. I’ll try to attach a video.
== Scott==
So at least one other person was interested in the Compound Bicep book of Hutchins. Do you have any thoughts on the book one way or the other that you can share with us?
Thanks
Scott
This applies to the Evaluation book, not the Compound Position Biceps machine book. The Evaluation book has been updated with about 20 additional pages including 40 more photographs.
Drew, That sounds great. Will the update be sent out on Monday or sometime next week? Thank You.
I got the update but haven’t opened it yet.
Thanks
Scott