carbs are def. my enemy…I feel great when the carbs are way low (like 20g)…if they get over 100…I get soft, sluggish, lazy…you name it…if I eat a carb meal…like even a couple pieces of bread…
I’m bloated, and drained…for hrs…BUT eveyone is diff., no 2 people’s body’s are the exact same…so…try different carb levels, and find what works…for me…low carb, moderate to low fat, and high protien…works wonders…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
No, he’s not insane.
I rarely go over 50. Havent in many years. When I do, I get fat.
Play both sides of the line in football, only breaking for specials, compete in Olifting and play softball…so no, endurance is not an issue.
What IL caz isn’t telling you is that he is old school anabolic diet. Secret weapon 
You still CHO up IL Caz?
-chris
Sometimes…my carb up days have the tendency to turn into eat everything in sight.
I’m on the VD right now lol. So the low carb part didnt bother me at all.
I don’t understand this.
Why are you doing the V-Diet? I assume it is to shed fat but you really should not be carrying much fat if you are as active as you say and have been eating low carb (unless you are drinking bacon grease.)[/quote]
Wanted the challeng of it…wanted to retrain myself to have clean carb ups…something new to do.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t understand this.
Why are you doing the V-Diet? I assume it is to shed fat but you really should not be carrying much fat if you are as active as you say and have been eating low carb (unless you are drinking bacon grease.)
He’s more than capable of answering for himself and I’m sure will, but this guy has been known to consume a “whole chicken wrapped in bacon” in a sitting so that should give you a clue regarding his approach to gaining size and strength. [/quote]
Never done that, but it sounds awesome…sort of like when homer wrapped a giant waffle around a stick of butter.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
I was intending my comment to mean longterm. Without periodic carb ups logterm very low carb diets are hard to build muscle on. Also- typically with a very low carb diet you are also hypocaloric. Not always, as in the AD you just mentioned, but typically.
I did pretty much figure that, but thought I’d throw it out there. One of the biggest misconceptions seen in the big AD thread is guys thinking that it’s permanently/primarily ketogenic or the same as Atkins which it certainly is not.[/quote]
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
My plan was to go low calorie/low carb on sunday, tuesday, thursday, and saturday, and go high cal/high carb monday/wednesday/friday (days I go to the gym, doing full body routines).
Can I apply the idea of going about or under 50g of carbs to this structure, or does it take at least 5 straight “low carb” days to get the body to switch to burning ketones instead of glucose?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
I was intending my comment to mean longterm. Without periodic carb ups logterm very low carb diets are hard to build muscle on. Also- typically with a very low carb diet you are also hypocaloric. Not always, as in the AD you just mentioned, but typically.
I did pretty much figure that, but thought I’d throw it out there. One of the biggest misconceptions seen in the big AD thread is guys thinking that it’s permanently/primarily ketogenic or the same as Atkins which it certainly is not.
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
My plan was to go low calorie/low carb on sunday, tuesday, thursday, and saturday, and go high cal/high carb monday/wednesday/friday (days I go to the gym, doing full body routines).
Can I apply the idea of going about or under 50g of carbs to this structure, or does it take at least 5 straight “low carb” days to get the body to switch to burning ketones instead of glucose?
[/quote]
I did something similar a few months back. Carb Cycling Diet they called it, although, 2 days where no carbs. And no, it is not AD at all.
Loved it. Lost 2 inches of the waist. And very doable.
Been doing the AD for a month now and I can easilly say that I survive very well with under 30g of carbs a day (all from greens and nuts). Brain is fine, and I actually feel more awake, even when Im tired.
But the best aspect is that I dont fart anymore. The bowels are just great, zero problems. I do take a supplement in the morning with fiber and good bacteria combination and about 2g of psylium at night. the rest is from the greens.
By Friday, I am looking forward to my carbs, but by sunday, man… I miss my bacon and eggs. I feel a little tired on monday, but the work outs are just amazing. The pump is the best I’ve ever had.
And to answer your question, Yes, I think Poliquin is insane. But when was the last time a sane man did anything out of the ordinary???
“I’m not insane, I’m normal. It’s the rest of the world that’s screwed up!” Thomas Dolby
According to research, one of the few things glutamine is actually good for, is replenishing glycogen when on a carb-restricted diet.
[quote]JFG wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
I was intending my comment to mean longterm. Without periodic carb ups logterm very low carb diets are hard to build muscle on. Also- typically with a very low carb diet you are also hypocaloric. Not always, as in the AD you just mentioned, but typically.
I did pretty much figure that, but thought I’d throw it out there. One of the biggest misconceptions seen in the big AD thread is guys thinking that it’s permanently/primarily ketogenic or the same as Atkins which it certainly is not.
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
My plan was to go low calorie/low carb on sunday, tuesday, thursday, and saturday, and go high cal/high carb monday/wednesday/friday (days I go to the gym, doing full body routines).
Can I apply the idea of going about or under 50g of carbs to this structure, or does it take at least 5 straight “low carb” days to get the body to switch to burning ketones instead of glucose?
I did something similar a few months back. Carb Cycling Diet they called it, although, 2 days where no carbs. And no, it is not AD at all.
Loved it. Lost 2 inches of the waist. And very doable.
Been doing the AD for a month now and I can easilly say that I survive very well with under 30g of carbs a day (all from greens and nuts). Brain is fine, and I actually feel more awake, even when Im tired.
But the best aspect is that I dont fart anymore. The bowels are just great, zero problems. I do take a supplement in the morning with fiber and good bacteria combination and about 2g of psylium at night. the rest is from the greens.
By Friday, I am looking forward to my carbs, but by sunday, man… I miss my bacon and eggs. I feel a little tired on monday, but the work outs are just amazing. The pump is the best I’ve ever had.
And to answer your question, Yes, I think Poliquin is insane. But when was the last time a sane man did anything out of the ordinary???
“I’m not insane, I’m normal. It’s the rest of the world that’s screwed up!” Thomas Dolby[/quote]
So the diet you were on also had the week be low carb and the weekend high carb? When were your workouts?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
[/quote]
Apparently you didn’t find Chris Shugart’s articles called “Eat Like A Man”. Those 2 articles are about the Anabolic Diet.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460968
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459762
I think this whole carb deabte, as far as keeping lean goes, in a way, doesn’t make sense to me.
I understand hormonaly the reason to carb cut, but scientificly, carbs burn at a rate of 100% efficiency. Proteins, fats, and alcohols do not burn at 100% efficiency, so that to me means that some percentage of the above mentioned gets converted back to fat, making these other diets less desirable if body comp is a consideration for that diet.
Carbs on the other don’t get converted to fat unless excess is consumed. I believe I’ve read that a person can potentially burn .8g per Kg b0dy-weight per hour (however .8g per KG LBM makes more sense to me from a body comp perspective), so the trick is to not over-feed yourself with carbs throughout the day, but making sure that you stay below that figure.
That said, the quality of carb is also an issue…a sweet potatoe and a candy bar are going to be totally different. I think as long as you take in oatmeal, sweet potatoe, and of course leafy veggies, peppers, onions, etc, you can pretty much fill yourself up with a relatively low carb count per feeding.
I’ve tried both sides of the spectrum, and I actually had great body comp results off the Ketonic plan, but mentally, I really could’t handle it, even though my mental function was good when it needed to be. I simply felt like a Zombie though on most times of the day. I could get through workouts, but I felt like it took everything I had to eek out a lift.
On the other hand, I now consume many more carbs per meal, and the result was not much negative change in the body comp, but much larger results in strength improvements. I could train for longer and more intense with the added carbs, and for the most part, the people I train with have the very same results.
All in all, I’m not too sure why people would want to eat such a low carb count unless body comp is the only goal/end result, and even so, I bet one could consume the correct carbs throughout the day and have very little difference in body comp.
Yeah i disagree with this statement. Excess KCAL and lack of exercise make you fat not CHO.
Eating 200kcal extra of CHO is going to be stored as fat just like eating 200kcal of extra fat.
[quote]Dominator wrote:
I think this whole carb deabte, as far as keeping lean goes, in a way, doesn’t make sense to me.
I understand hormonaly the reason to carb cut, but scientificly, carbs burn at a rate of 100% efficiency. Proteins, fats, and alcohols do not burn at 100% efficiency, so that to me means that some percentage of the above mentioned gets converted back to fat, making these other diets less desirable if body comp is a consideration for that diet.[/quote]
Carbs are not burned at 100% unless it’s the right time, say post work-out. Wake up at 2am and eat some carbs. Then tell me how much gets “burned” and how much gets converted to fat and stored.
And your problem with protein is nill. Protein is needed to build lean tissue, which will in turn help burn extra calories. How is this a bad thing for body composition?
But what is considered excess? How would you know? Is 22.5g enough, but 23g too much?
[quote]I believe I’ve read that a person can potentially burn .8g per Kg b0dy-weight per hour (however .8g per KG LBM makes more sense to me from a body comp perspective), so the trick is to not over-feed yourself with carbs throughout the day, but making sure that you stay below that figure.
That said, the quality of carb is also an issue…a sweet potatoe and a candy bar are going to be totally different. I think as long as you take in oatmeal, sweet potatoe, and of course leafy veggies, peppers, onions, etc, you can pretty much fill yourself up with a relatively low carb count per feeding.
I’ve tried both sides of the spectrum, and I actually had great body comp results off the Ketonic plan, but mentally, I really could’t handle it, even though my mental function was good when it needed to be. I simply felt like a Zombie though on most times of the day. I could get through workouts, but I felt like it took everything I had to eek out a lift.
On the other hand, I now consume many more carbs per meal, and the result was not much negative change in the body comp, but much larger results in strength improvements. I could train for longer and more intense with the added carbs, and for the most part, the people I train with have the very same results.
All in all, I’m not too sure why people would want to eat such a low carb count unless body comp is the only goal/end result, and even so, I bet one could consume the correct carbs throughout the day and have very little difference in body comp.[/quote]
So you’re saying you don’t like training on very low carbs and you think it makes you feel weak? I’ll alert the obvious police.
Not trying to be a dick man, but this is basically what we already all know. Going low carb without steady carb-ups is disastrous for any mass gaining phase and should be left for a dieting/cutting phase. And during these phases building lean mass and hitting PR’s in the gym are secondary.
[quote]superscience wrote:
Yeah i disagree with this statement. Excess KCAL and lack of exercise make you fat not CHO.
Eating 200kcal extra of CHO is going to be stored as fat just like eating 200kcal of extra fat.[/quote]
Agreed. Extra calories are extra calories. Extra of anything can make you fat.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Never done that, but it sounds awesome…sort of like when homer wrapped a giant waffle around a stick of butter.
[/quote]
My mistake then, sorry about that. Maybe it was DH who said it.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
My plan was to go low calorie/low carb on sunday, tuesday, thursday, and saturday, and go high cal/high carb monday/wednesday/friday (days I go to the gym, doing full body routines).
Can I apply the idea of going about or under 50g of carbs to this structure, or does it take at least 5 straight “low carb” days to get the body to switch to burning ketones instead of glucose?
[/quote]
No sweat, everybody else calls me that too. Look in the “supplements and Nutrition” room for the thread called “My Experience on the Anabolic Diet” started by mdragon. Practically anything you could ever dream of wanting to know about it is in there. Il Cazzo was a major contributor as was Disc Hoss, possibly the foremost authority on the AD outside of Dr. D himself.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
So you’re saying you don’t like training on very low carbs and you think it makes you feel weak? I’ll alert the obvious police.
Not trying to be a dick man, but this is basically what we already all know. Going low carb without steady carb-ups is disastrous for any mass gaining phase and should be left for a dieting/cutting phase. And during these phases building lean mass and hitting PR’s in the gym are secondary.
[/quote]
That is indeed the purpose of the carb loads, to replenish glycogen and abruptly revert back to eating low carb/high fat before your body decides to start preferring carbs again for fuel.
One of the most widespread misunderstandings (in general, not you) about the AD is the whole fact of fat adaptation. Once fully adapted (about 3 months or even longer) every major bodily function save for anaerobic muscle contractions are fueled by lipids full time. This is not a theory it’s a medical fact. When the body becomes very efficient at using fat for fuel it takes a lot more for it to be stored.
Losing adipose stores is then just a matter of dropping dietary fat some and your body will readily use stores for fuel in it’s decreased dietary availability. It’s used to burning fat and when it doesn’t find enough in what you eat it quite easily turns to your stores.
All other activity including cardio is fueled by very energy dense fats. I cannot stress enough that the biggest mistake I see is guys who simply do not give it enough time.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Ok, Trib (hope its cool that I call you that), I searched the articles for something on the anabolic diet, and I only found it mentioned in some Q&A. Apparently you eat less than 50 grams of carbs during the week and carb up on the weekends.
My plan was to go low calorie/low carb on sunday, tuesday, thursday, and saturday, and go high cal/high carb monday/wednesday/friday (days I go to the gym, doing full body routines).
Can I apply the idea of going about or under 50g of carbs to this structure, or does it take at least 5 straight “low carb” days to get the body to switch to burning ketones instead of glucose?
No sweat, everybody else calls me that too. Look in the “supplements and Nutrition” room for the thread called “My Experience on the Anabolic Diet” started by mdragon. Practically anything you could ever dream of wanting to know about it is in there. Il Cazzo was a major contributor as was Disc Hoss, possibly the foremost authority on the AD outside of Dr. D himself.[/quote]
Thanks man I’ll check it out after those articles the other guy linked me to.
By the way, thanks, guy with the links.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
JFG wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
And to answer your question, Yes, I think Poliquin is insane. But when was the last time a sane man did anything out of the ordinary???
“I’m not insane, I’m normal. It’s the rest of the world that’s screwed up!” Thomas Dolby
So the diet you were on also had the week be low carb and the weekend high carb? When were your workouts?[/quote]
This was my eating week:
Mon - Low
Tues - No
Wed - High
Thur - No
Fri - Low
Sat - No
Sun - High
High means as many carbs as I can get in day.
Low means 100g max
No means no carbs at all.
I worked out 6 days a week, one body part a day.
Mon - Chest
Tuesday - Biceps
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Triceps
Friday - Back
Saturday - Shoulders
I was shedding fat, that was the goal. It worked great, but in retrospect, I could have upped my calories a bit. When I went off the diet, I gained 8lbs in one week from eating about 1000 calories more.
Good learning experience.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Carbs are not burned at 100% unless it’s the right time, say post work-out. Wake up at 2am and eat some carbs. Then tell me how much gets “burned” and how much gets converted to fat and stored.
That’s not what I’m saying…I’m saying that the CHO molecule can be burned 100% for energy. The key word here is “can,” and you hit it on the head, provided that one can burn it off.
And your problem with protein is nill. Protein is needed to build lean tissue, which will in turn help burn extra calories. How is this a bad thing for body composition?
Whoever said protein was bad? I’m just saying that one molecule of protein can’t be burned 100% for energy. There’s no question that a lifter needs a fair amount of protein throughout the day to recover, it’s just not as effecient per unit of energy as CHO.
Carbs on the other don’t get converted to fat unless excess is consumed.
But what is considered excess? How would you know? Is 22.5g enough, but 23g too much?
Again, I think .8g per Kg of LMB is a realistic amount…and I don’t think we need to worry about the .5g CHO either.
So you’re saying you don’t like training on very low carbs and you think it makes you feel weak? I’ll alert the obvious police.
No, as stated I didn’t feel weak, my lifts were all increasing! I wasn’t able to sustain the same intensity throughout the duration of my training day. Consequently, I had to cut back on my volume per training day. It’s not a big thing, but for me, my training days are much more effective with higher amounts of carbs.
superscience wrote:
Yeah i disagree with this statement. Excess KCAL and lack of exercise make you fat not CHO.
Eating 200kcal extra of CHO is going to be stored as fat just like eating 200kcal of extra fat.
Agreed. Extra calories are extra calories. Extra of anything can make you fat.
I couldn’t agree more with these statements! It’s a pretty simple equation…you want to loose fat, you need to burn more than you consume.
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[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
Paul Check is the insane one[/quote]
Shut the fuck up troll.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thanks man I’ll check it out after those articles the other guy linked me to.
By the way, thanks, guy with the links.
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You’re welcome.
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
I can’t see at staying below 50g carbs for any extended period of time. For those of you who live by this do you have trouble remembering things?
The brain runs only on carbs and it’s been shown that people who stay on carb restricted diets for more than a month have memory loss.
Just wondering what your expierence is on it so I can get some outside of the lab results.[/quote]
i function beter mentally on low-cabs…most people with ADD do. there’s a lot of theory that ADD can be corrected simply by lower carbs, due to the effect on neurotransmitters in the brain.
also, i’m leaner and have more consistent energy levels. for me, i prefer it. it’s not necessarily the thing for everybody, though…