[quote]ephrem wrote:
No, this one: http://importsnc.com/forums/inc-gazette/58576-jesus-dogs-arse.html [/quote]
What is the problem?
If the Prince of Peace wants to appear on a dogs ass, who are we to judge?
If was a real picture it would be funny and also intriguing, but it’s just photoshopped by some smartass anyway.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If was a real picture it would be funny and also intriguing, but it’s just photoshopped by some smartass anyway. [/quote]
If Jesus wants to use a smartass to appear on a photo shopped pic of a dogs ass, who are we to judge?
The Lord works in mysterious ways. but photoshop is out of the question?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If was a real picture it would be funny and also intriguing, but it’s just photoshopped by some smartass anyway. [/quote]
If Jesus wants to use a smartass to appear on a photo shopped pic of a dogs ass, who are we to judge?
The Lord works in mysterious ways. but photoshop is out of the question?[/quote]
It kills the fun, not only when mocking christians but generally. Tonight I carry the torch of luddism and fart on the general direction of modern technology that supposedly is so much better. Everyone who remembers analog technology knows that it isn’t so. For science and medicine, maybe so, but otherwise it isn’t.
[quote]pat wrote:
I think the idiot who thought they saw Jesus on a piece of toast is a moron for which I have no respect. [/quote]
There will always be whackos. What I don’t understand is why the media would actually consider the story news worthy.
Really CBS?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I made a statement of opinion, which is all I can make since as I’ve said, the numbers are unattainable. I realize that 100 million is “lots and lots and lots and lots”, however people have been killing each other in the name of their religion for a long, long, long, long time. Just think about how long we’ve been killing each other in the name of religion, now come to the full realization that we’re still doing it. Crazy.
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Well I reckon it’s incumbent on you to do a little research.
Make a list of all the wars/pestilences/persecutions that you know about that involved religion as a key player. Then Google the statistics for that event; for instance, “Spanish Inquisition casualties”. Or “French Huguenot deaths persecutions”. Or “Israeli Palestinian conflict casualties.” Or “Hindu Buddhist conflicts deaths.” Or “Aurangzeb Mogul atrocities,” etc.
Just go back in recorded history (you do know your history, right? Surely you wouldn’t be making broad unsubstantiated assumptions if you don’t even know your history, would you?) and then just do the math. See if you can get anywhere close to 100 million. See if you can even get to 20 million.
Go git 'em, tiger.
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Awwwwww c’mon now Push, turn that frown upside down. You don’t have to get all testy just cause I’m challenging the sanctity of religion, right?
I do believe that the history of the worlds religions have brought about a shit ton of death and destruction to the peoples of the world. You seem to get very pissy, and not a little bit condescending in defense of your sky cake; no need for that sir. Yes, I base my opinion on history and yes I’m capable of research. You throw up the Spanish inquisition, the Israeli Palestinian conflict, and the French Huguenot deaths persecutions as some sort of freebie for my argument, but those would only be the tip of the iceberg.
* Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
* Algeria, 1992-
* Baha’is, 1848-54
* Bosnia, 1992-95
* Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
* Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
* Croatia, 1991-92
* English Civil War, 1642-46
* Holocaust, 1938-45
* Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
* India, 1992-2002
* India: Suttee & Thugs
* Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
* Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
* Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
* Jews, 1348
* Jonestown, 1978
* Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
* Molucca Is., 1999-
* Mongolia, 1937-39
* Northern Ireland, 1974-98
* Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
* St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
* Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
* Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
* Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
* Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834
* Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
* Thirty Years War, 1618-48
* Tudor England
* Vietnam, 1800s
* Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
* Xhosa, 1857
* Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
* Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
* Al Qaeda, 1993-
* Crusades, 1095-1291
* Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
* Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s
Of course the author fails to mention things like the human sacrifices that the good Aztecs thought were pretty rad for quite a long time. Nor does he mention the deaths in Sudan(Muslim vs Christian), Ethiopia & Etrea(Muslim vs Christian), the Ivory Coast(Muslim vs Christian), Sri Lanka(Sinhalese Buddhists vs Tamil Hindus), Philippines (Muslims vs. Christians), Iran and Iraq (Sunni vs Shiite Muslims), and The Caucasus (orthodox Russian vs Chechen Muslims and Muslim Azerbaijanis vs Catholic and orthodox Armenians).
He also mentions the Spanish Inquisition, but fails to mention that there were actually four separate inquisitions (Medieval, Spanish, Portuguese, and Roman). One neat thing about the inquisitions, was that it was a terrific time for the Catholic Church to fill the Vatican coffers with wealth confiscated from the evil “heretics”.
Suffice it to say, that religion has killed lots, and lots, and lots of people.
And the beat goes on…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
I made a statement of opinion, which is all I can make since as I’ve said, the numbers are unattainable. I realize that 100 million is “lots and lots and lots and lots”, however people have been killing each other in the name of their religion for a long, long, long, long time. Just think about how long we’ve been killing each other in the name of religion, now come to the full realization that we’re still doing it. Crazy.
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Well I reckon it’s incumbent on you to do a little research.
Make a list of all the wars/pestilences/persecutions that you know about that involved religion as a key player. Then Google the statistics for that event; for instance, “Spanish Inquisition casualties”. Or “French Huguenot deaths persecutions”. Or “Israeli Palestinian conflict casualties.” Or “Hindu Buddhist conflicts deaths.” Or “Aurangzeb Mogul atrocities,” etc.
Just go back in recorded history (you do know your history, right? Surely you wouldn’t be making broad unsubstantiated assumptions if you don’t even know your history, would you?) and then just do the math. See if you can get anywhere close to 100 million. See if you can even get to 20 million.
Go git 'em, tiger.
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Awwwwww c’mon now Push, turn that frown upside down. You don’t have to get all testy just cause I’m challenging the sanctity of religion, right?
I do believe that the history of the worlds religions have brought about a shit ton of death and destruction to the peoples of the world. You seem to get very pissy, and not a little bit condescending in defense of your sky cake; no need for that sir. Yes, I base my opinion on history and yes I’m capable of research. You throw up the Spanish inquisition, the Israeli Palestinian conflict, and the French Huguenot deaths persecutions as some sort of freebie for my argument, but those would only be the tip of the iceberg.
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Far be it from me to defend all the deaths resulting in religious conflicts. That wasn’t my point.
Indeed it has. My point was you can’t get to 100 million even with all the conflicts you mentioned. It’s basic arithmetic.
Also, many of the conflicts you mentioned were not fought strictly over religion; doesn’t matter - you simply can’t get to the 100 million figure. Atheists still hold the blue ribbon. But then again as I have mentioned before atheism is really, intrinsically just another religion. Sooooooooooooooo…
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How are you so rock solid certain that deaths related to religion are considerably less if the numbers are as incalculable as they are?
At least in conflicts where money and power are the driving factors, one can understand the impetus. However all of the death, destruction, and misery the world has suffered resulting from peoples fighting over who’s imaginary friend is cooler? That’s just hard to wrap your head around.
Just trying to understand the argument here. . . where did the 100 million dead figure come from? Also even if right, how are those deaths “in the name of atheism”? as I understand it deaths attributed to Stalin/Mao would be political not religeous.
I’m not taking sides here, just trying to see were folks are coming from.
Thanks, I will look for more info. I knew that Soviet & communist (China, Russia, maybe more on smaller scale) killed people for their faith. . . I see where your coming from, but I would have put those deaths on the died because of religion tally, not on died because of atheism tally.
Anywhoo, yes they were killed by anti religious regimes. & this trying to see who caused more suffering is a rather grim way to suss out whose philosophy is superior, don’t remember who brought it up first. . . & I’m going to bow back out as the amonia fumes from the dude power scrubbing the floor are making me woozy
[quote]thick88 wrote:
I’m not taking sides here, just trying to see were folks are coming from. [/quote]
When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing - they believe in anything. -Emile Cammaerts
People who kill in the name of Christ pretty clearly aren’t actually killing in the name of Christ (If this doesn’t make sense, substitute Ghandi for Christ). Symmetrically, no one actually kills in the name of atheism and it would be pointless if they did.
[quote]orion wrote:
Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]
I don’t know, when Catholics did it, at least, we Christianize your pagan ways instead of stripping you of your customs. 
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
He also mentions the Spanish Inquisition, but fails to mention that there were actually four separate inquisitions (Medieval, Spanish, Portuguese, and Roman). One neat thing about the inquisitions, was that it was a terrific time for the Catholic Church to fill the Vatican coffers with wealth confiscated from the evil “heretics”.
Suffice it to say, that religion has killed lots, and lots, and lots of people.
And the beat goes on…
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The Catholic Church didn’t kill anyone in the Inquisition, the State did as the State made it a capital offense to be a heretic, not the Church.
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<5000 people were executed during the Spanish Inquisition by the Spanish State.
You know how many Spanish Catholic Martyrs were killed by the Republicans (they were atheists, supported by atheists from atheist countries) during the Spanish Civil War: 6,500.
6,800 Catholic clergy were killed by the Republicans, 55,000 total executions by the Republicans.
In three years 55,000 people were executed without discrimination (well besides them being Catholic and not liking socialism or anarchism) and this is compared to 5000 in 110 years by the Spanish Inquisition.
Atheist kill rate: 50 persons/day
Theist kill rate: 8th of a person/day
That is only in my motherland Spain, my king was acting like the Antichrist himself and using unprecedented authority in ignoring the Pope. Yet, he was still not so cruel to slaughter as the atheists did to my country and her men.
Not only do atheists look like religious, they take on our worst forms in doing so.
Edit: Better watch out, we still have the Office of Inquisition! Though…it is called by the less striking name Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
At least in conflicts where money and power are the driving factors, one can understand the impetus. However all of the death, destruction, and misery the world has suffered resulting from peoples fighting over who’s imaginary friend is cooler? That’s just hard to wrap your head around.[/quote]
Most of the time money and power are the driving factor, a purely religious uprising looks more like Savonarola than the crusades or the Inquisition.