Is Homosexuality Politically Correct

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]clip11 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
clip11 wrote:
forlife wrote:
Yes, but again the point is that the majority of these women in Africa contracting the AIDS virus aren’t getting it from men that sleep with men. They are getting it from men that only sleep with women.

Well Africa and The U.S. are different places. You cant put them both on the same standard. You cant compare Atlanta to Swaziland.

A human body is a human body. If we engaged in the same behaviors Africans did (promiscuity and failure to practice safe sex), we would have an epidemic just the same.

Im not an idiot, you are because you dont read. The head of the World Health Orginization, Dr. Kevin de Cock admitted that outside of sub saharan Africa there would most likely never be a heterosexual AIDS epidemic.

So who am I to believe, the head of the largest health group in the world, who bases his opinion on various facts and mathematical probability…or you, who bases your opinion on nothing but the way you feel about homosexuals?

Here in the U.S. if men stopped practicing homosexuality and if gay and bi men were celibate, it would be better for everyone. Because based on the information I was able to gether from several sources, which i have posted throughout this thread if you care to read them, if men stopped practicing homosexuality the HIV rate would plumet![/quote]

I read. You read and DON’T understand. I suggest you actually go to the WHO website and read what they say about AIDS, safe sex, and the transmission of the disease. Something might possibly get trough that thick skull of yours.

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http://www.rebirth.co.za/hiv_does_not_cause_aids3.htm

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
The problem is, you are trying to paint AIDS as the “gay disease” based on information from the U.S. only. Unless you consider the global facts, and update your information here in the U.S. as well, you aren’t making an educated judgment on the issue.

The fact is, AIDS is no respector of persons and sexual orientation is irrelevant. If you are having unprotected vaginal or anal sex, you are at risk of catching HIV.

Bottom line: have safe sex, whether you are gay or straight.

Why do many people with HIV live, while others get ‘AIDs’? What virus acts like that?

Is it some sort of magical virus?

If two people in a house have bubonic plaque, would you expect one to die a horrible death and the other to be just fine?

AIDs = one of the biggest scams in history.

What are you babbling about? You think a virus is not real because the trajectory and course is different for different people. Medicine works differently in some.

And incidentally, there’s nothing magical about it. To take your example, a percentage of people in the Middle Ages who got the bubonic plague recovered. Some never got sick at all despite exposure.

You’re clearly not a doctor. You don’t play one on tv. You didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

But the ones who survived getting the plague got very sick and nearly died. Why don’t some HIV carriers have symptoms?

I guess this very ‘virulent’ virus has a mind of its own and picks and chooses its victims. LOL!

Ah well, the same people who voted for Obama will swallow just about anything. The Age of Reason is about over and we’re living on its last few rays before the darkness.

HIV carriers do have systems. Some have minimal symptoms because we have a very sophisticated cocktail of drugs that works well. Better in some than others. Judging by your comments in this and other threads, you’ve always lived in the dark. So, nothing to worry about. [/quote]

At best, the few survivors would be very ill and come close to death, before something unknown brings them back from the brink. A virus as virulent as HIV (LOL!) should not be nearly as benign in some people while killing others.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
The problem is, you are trying to paint AIDS as the “gay disease” based on information from the U.S. only. Unless you consider the global facts, and update your information here in the U.S. as well, you aren’t making an educated judgment on the issue.

The fact is, AIDS is no respector of persons and sexual orientation is irrelevant. If you are having unprotected vaginal or anal sex, you are at risk of catching HIV.

Bottom line: have safe sex, whether you are gay or straight.

Why do many people with HIV live, while others get ‘AIDs’? What virus acts like that?

Is it some sort of magical virus?

If two people in a house have bubonic plaque, would you expect one to die a horrible death and the other to be just fine?

AIDs = one of the biggest scams in history.

What are you babbling about? You think a virus is not real because the trajectory and course is different for different people. Medicine works differently in some.

And incidentally, there’s nothing magical about it. To take your example, a percentage of people in the Middle Ages who got the bubonic plague recovered. Some never got sick at all despite exposure.

You’re clearly not a doctor. You don’t play one on tv. You didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

But the ones who survived getting the plague got very sick and nearly died. Why don’t some HIV carriers have symptoms?

I guess this very ‘virulent’ virus has a mind of its own and picks and chooses its victims. LOL!

Ah well, the same people who voted for Obama will swallow just about anything. The Age of Reason is about over and we’re living on its last few rays before the darkness.

HIV carriers do have systems. Some have minimal symptoms because we have a very sophisticated cocktail of drugs that works well. Better in some than others. Judging by your comments in this and other threads, you’ve always lived in the dark. So, nothing to worry about.

At best, the few survivors would be very ill and come close to death, before something unknown brings them back from the brink. A virus as virulent as HIV (LOL!) should not be nearly as benign in some people while killing others.
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You have zero basis for your statement.

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Fact: I’m gay and have no risk of STDs, no anxiety, no depression, no suicidal thoughts, none of the other stereotypical problems that homophobes cite to discredit the sexual orientation itself.

There is nothing inherently bad, wrong, or unhealthy with being gay.

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It’s stereotyping because you are perpetuating a lie, i.e., that sexual orientation is intrinsically and unavoidably connected to the negative outcomes you like to cite.

You are tirading against sexual orientation, when you should be tirading against sexual promiscuity. A gay man or lesbian can have safe sex, just like a straight man or woman can have safe sex.

If you want people to live healthier lives, tell them to have safe sex rather than telling them to be straight.

Of course, that wouldn’t fit your anti-gay agenda but since when have actual facts made any difference to you?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
All anyone has to do is google “Centers For Disease Control” and then type in “Men who have sex with men” as that’s how homosexuals are identified.

Fact: Homosexuals lead the way in just about every major disease even remotely related to sexual contact…HIV is only the beginning…STD’s …genital and anal warts…it’s all there and it’s not very pretty. After reading the facts you’re eyes will open wide.

In addition to that they have the highest rate of anxiety, depression, suicide and host of other mental problems.

Is it politically correct to point this out? Of course not,…but is it all true?

Yes…

but as we know truth is the first victim in a politically correct world.[/quote]

That was a wonderful post. I culdnt have said it better myself!!!

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Fact: I’m gay and have no risk of STDs, no anxiety, no depression, no suicidal thoughts, none of the other stereotypical problems that homophobes cite to discredit the sexual orientation itself.

There is nothing inherently bad, wrong, or unhealthy with being gay.[/quote]

You’re just one person, youre not representative of the whole group. I cant say because my dog hasnt bitten me that no dogs bite.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s stereotyping because you are perpetuating a lie, i.e., that sexual orientation is intrinsically and unavoidably connected to the negative outcomes you like to cite.

You are tirading against sexual orientation, when you should be tirading against sexual promiscuity. A gay man or lesbian can have safe sex, just like a straight man or woman can have safe sex.

If you want people to live healthier lives, tell them to have safe sex rather than telling them to be straight.

Of course, that wouldn’t fit your anti-gay agenda but since when have actual facts made any difference to you?

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We’re constantly pointing out actual facts, they make all the difference to me and mick28. The question is, do they make any difference to you?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
You’re just one person, youre not representative of the whole group. I cant say because my dog hasnt bitten me that no dogs bite.[/quote]

Nor can you say that because your dog bit you, all dogs bite. Get it yet?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
We’re constantly pointing out actual facts, they make all the difference to me and mick28. The question is, do they make any difference to you?
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There’s nothing wrong with facts, as long as you don’t overgeneralize them to an entire population.

You’re twisting the facts to attack a particular sexual orientation, when you know as well as I do that the real issue is not practicing safe sex.

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Basically what mick and clip are saying is that safe sex is for chumps.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
clip11 wrote:

We’re constantly pointing out actual facts, they make all the difference to me and mick28. The question is, do they make any difference to you?

If you read about excessive violence in a certain part of town you wouldn’t venture down there…especially at 2:00 AM.

Why?

Very simple, you have a healthy appreciation for the facts. Those facts tell you that the chance of being harmed rises dramatically if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The CDC has volumes of “facts” which point to just about everything bad happening to practicing homosexuals. Now that doesn’t mean that every homosexual is going to die of AIDS, or kill himself by some other means. But it does show that the lifestyle is extremely unhealthy in many, many ways and should be avoided by any rational man.

Now forlife has to defend his actions because he left his wife and two children to live the life of a care free gay blade. Do you honestly think that he’ll ever concede even one tiny point to strangers over the Internet?

There are no amount of facts that can or will change his mind. He will continue on his homosexual journey because right or wrong he is committed to it. He has lied repeatedly, dodged the facts and twisted the points of all who he has debated with on this topic…He will continue to defend the lifestyle to the end…no matter what.

forlife posts endlessly about homosexuality on the Internet (and I bet he’s on other sites doing so as well) because he continues to try to rationalize various despicable actions in his own mind…to try to grab as much acceptance as possible. Many times other liberal dip shits will join his side and sing the praises of his politically correct homosexual doctrine. When this happens he’s happier than if he were frolicking through the Dallas Cowboys locker room during shower time. Sad huh? But…but…not at all sick…right?

Anyway the only question that remains…Can forlife make this particular thread as long as he’s made every other homosexuality thread?

Until he seeks psychological help I say he can!

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Hate is like, baggage man. Give it up and seek help, man.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
If you read about excessive violence in a certain part of town you wouldn’t venture down there…especially at 2:00 AM.[/quote]

The problem with your analogy is that the “town” is unsafe sex, not homosexuality.

How about actually addressing that point instead of dodging it continuously?

Show me a single “fact” to the effect that gays who practice safe sex are subject to all the horrible maladies you like to lay at our feet.

You can’t.

It must drive you crazy knowing that gays like me exist, who are living happy, healthy lives despite all your negative stereotypes to the contrary.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
From what I’ve read on the CDC site and others there really is no safe way to have anal sex.[/quote]

There you go again, confusing sexual orientation with the real issue. Did you know that many straight couples practice anal sex? Did you know that not all gay male couples practice anal sex? Did you know that lesbians rarely practice anal sex?

So what is your beef, really?

If you want to preach against the horrors of anal sex, then do so. But don’t universally discriminate against gays, and don’t perpetuate the lie that being gay is inherently unhealthy. It isn’t.

If you really mean that, then stop telling people not to be gay. Acting contrary to your natural orientation is a prescription for anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, alcoholism, and drug abuse. Gays who do so are at double the risk of experiencing these negative outcomes, when they try to change their orientation.

But do you mean that, really? Is your true objective for gays to be healthy and happy?

Or are you just out there trolling against a sexual orientation toward which you have a deep personal aversion and revulsion?

That’s interesting. Not many people I know, even my gay friends, have seen people die of AIDS, up close. Unless you work in an AIDS hospice, it sounds like you have a closer connection to the gay world than you have admitted up to this point.

Then preach against unsafe sex and stop confusing it with sexual orientation.