heya doc I got “androgen resistance”, how bout u give me 5g of masteron a week
I feel great on TREN, I need tren-replacement therapy, ima call my doc. I mean, lets not look at the numbers right? Its all about subjective feeling of well beeing, no? lets fucking GOOO
I do not know the exact doses each man would need to be at normal values. I know only four men personally who go to my doctor and they’re all fine using 100 mg per week. I believe this is fine for nearly all hypogonadal men. T values from 500 to 1000 are adequate. I do not believe fluctuations in the normal range can be perceived because such fluctuations do not affect function and health.
Exactly, I agree with this. That is whats so dangerous with: “just increase the dose til u feel fine” … like yeah dude, many people feel great at 1g of test a week, that doesnt mean u need fucking test replacement of 1g a week LMFAO, something ELSE might be freaking wrong, that u are essentially masking putting a band aid over with blasting gear.
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I have heard something similar elsewhere.
That doesn’t answer my question. You already said that 350 is too much. Again, what is the cutoff?
Would you agree that for OP given that he is 2.3% over range on 300 mg/wk test, that 100 mg/wk would probably result in hypogonadal type numbers on lab work? I really doubt he would be over 400 ng/dL on 100 mg/wk. He may be under 300 ng/dL.
People vary more than you would think, as far as dose to blood level response. A friend of mine is on 280 mg/wk, and comes in under the top of the range on 2X a week shots.
Some meds are dosed based on weight. Testosterone doesn’t seem highly correlated to weight in regards to dose to blood level. Other factors exist that are harder to determine compared to weight. I see one guy getting a higher dose based on things like SHBG level, clearance rates, etc… as the same as giving a patient more based on weight. Just harder to know going into it, than a med based on weight.
You realize a defined cutoff isn’t necessary to know that 350 is above whatever a ‘cutoff’ would actually be, right?
I don’t really want to speak for eyedentist or brick, but I THINK the point they are both making is that, barring any extraordinary circumstances, there are no TRT patients who require 350/week to have their labs come back with ‘normal’ numbers. That, in all cases, 350/week dosing will result in supraphysiological testosterone levels, and thus 350 is too much, in all cases, to be considered ‘TRT’.
Brick and ED, feel free to correct me if that doesn’t accurately reflect your opinions here (which I agree with).
But that’s my point. There ARE people with what you call extraordinary circumstances.
And if one cuts off at a certain number, those people may not be relieved of symptoms.
Understand?
200mg split twice a week had my total T around 500 lol. My current dose would be absurd for most but has my levels in a healthy (I think) spot and my doctor is ok with it. I’d love to be one of those people that takes 100mg/wk and all is well
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Thanks for chiming in with a real world example. I know a guy who processes Testosterone similar to you. It just isn’t as rare as people think it is.
Ok. how do you define these circumstances? I agree with EyeDentist when he said that the number of people who MAY fall into this category is so small to be largely just theoretical.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it SOUNDS like you’re suggesting that a man could be receiving appropriate treatment, and have lab tests that indicate supraphysiological testosterone levels. Is that your position? I’m asking if you believe there are situations that warrant levels that high in order to ‘relieve symptoms’. I’m not going to assume anything, I’d rather you clarify.
I know two of them (one being @wanna_be, we’re friends, right?). I think it’s a myth that it is super rare. Either that or I am just extremely lucky to find two such examples.
Who defines supraphysiological? What if you find a total t number that you consider supraphysiological, and the free t isn’t supraphysiological? And what if that patient only gets full symptom relief with what you would call a supraphysiological ft level?
We’re not talking about the overwhelming percent of men who are on 100-200mg per week, and are content with that. We’re talking about the small minority of men who what to live as normally as possible, but you are saying, “too bad for you, I’ve determined your t level to be too high”.
Understand?
I think maybe the people who post here aren’t in the majority who are content with their cookie cutter 100-200mg per week protocol. My doc said that about 90% of the men he treats don’t have any complaints about testicle shrinkage, yet if you listen to some here, everyone’s balls will be raisins without HCG.
I looked at my labs from when I started. Doctor wanted to do something lower than 200mg, I wish I could remember, but it was more aligned with @BrickHead ’s views (which is totally ok, I’m not insinuating anything) and it was 178 total lol
The other guy I know, I don’t think has ever been on a forum like this. He goes to an HRT clinic. They just kept bumping his dose up until he got to just under the top of the range on 2X a week shots. That dose ended up being 280 mg/wk.
Are his symptoms relieved at that dose?
Yeah, I believe so.
I will say, it is true that a lot of testosterone makes some men feel better than they normally would. I feel great on close to 900 mg/wk currently. Better than I do on my cruise dose. I sleep a lot better. Could my sleep be an unresolved issue of low T, possibly? That doesn’t mean that I should seek full resolution of symptoms at any cost. There needs to be a balance with long term health.
I have no issue with guys using more than what is typically considered TRT, if labs support it. I just think if you are getting to the point where your approaching double range values, that balancing long term health needs to enter the equation.
Again, this is just opinion. I think we should be free to do as we please with our own bodies. That is what how I would handle it. I don’t require full symptom resolution if the cost is long term health. Maybe others care less about long term health and want to feel their best. To each their own.
I think that’s a responsible and logical way to look at it.
Is it safe to say that you need a lot less than 900mg/week to feel really good?
Personally, I’ve always said that my goal on trt, is to take the lowest dose that relieves my symptoms, and not take any unnecessary medications. I’ve already stopped taking an AI, and it seems I’ve been able to keep my BP in check, without having to take meds for that anymore.
I’m looking at overall health as a priority.