This is what I am getting at. I think most guys I see in person are below average (which isn’t possible). A guy needs to be looking like Brad Pitt for me to think that is a good looking dude. With women though I think almost all of them roughly my age are attractive. The ones that actually are getting towards the top tier are amazing looking, but perhaps some of the guys I think of as below average are top tier when viewed by a woman or gay / bi man?
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Oh FFS will you guys not do this to this topic?
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No, but that is hilarious. I loved Batman growing up, though, and I thought the Christian Bale movies were great. I saw the Superman vs. Batman movie and can never watch another DC movie now
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I dunno man, I think we’re getting really close to figuring out once and for all how to sum up the sexual preferences of 4 billion people. I think this might finally be what we’ve all been waiting for.
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It’s “yes”.
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I apologize for the topic derail.
The question is [Is 10% Bodyfat Realistically Sustainable for Most Men?]
Most men, IMO no.
Since most males are >30% body fat once they get out of that skinny high school adolescent phase.
athleanx seems to be able to do it but he is not most men. I am not even sure if it is healthy to have so little body fat.
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Yeah, the question has pretty much been answered, and I appreciate everyone’s input. Not only is 10% extremely difficult; it’s probably not desirable, as the body doesn’t seem to function best at such low fat levels. Mid-teens is probably the leanest to shoot for over the long term in terms of health and quality of life.
I really did want to continue the Batman discussion, especially since no one mentioned the great Adam West!
Alas, back to matters in hand. I would encourage anyone who has a modicum of interest in this subject to put their hand in their pocket and purchase a DEXA scan. It cuts through the self-delusions in minutes. And yes, it’s not always cheap but cut back on the fancy supplements for a few months and you will be able to afford it.
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I can’t see the rationale behind spending 200+ bucks for a scan to tell me what I can see in a mirror. I suppose if you’re obsessed with actual numbers it’s useful, but “can I see my abs” is the only metric anyone needs. If you have visible abs, you’re lean, if you have veins in your abs, you’re very lean, and if you can’t see your abs, you’re not lean. I could buy 10+ pounds of high quality beef cuts for that price.
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They aren’t usually that pricey, more like $100 to $150. Still a lot of beef though. The folks on this site that could really benefit from one of these scans are in another subforum where delusions about bodyfat percentages seem to run rampant.
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If you have insurance and convince your doc to order, the copay is only $25-40
Why in the world would a doctor order you a dexa scan, and how would the doctors office justify it to your insurance company to cover that? Short of bone density problems or 65+ year old people, obviously.
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Nah, most people (myself included) care more about eating a decent amount of tasty food than they do about being lean enough to have hawt abs.
I think if you made it 15%…yeah, that’s much more maintainable.
As a point of reference, I found this chart setting forth average % bodyfat of NFL prospects. It’s a bid dated but I doubt the relevant data have changed much. As you would expect, there is wide variation by position, but very few are coming in around 10%.
2006 – 2013 NFL Combine testing (BodPod)
| Position | # of Players | % Fat Average | Body Weight Average (lb) | Lean Mass (lb) | Avgerage Height |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DB | 463 | 9.7 | 199.8 | 180.4 | 6’0″ |
| WO | 360 | 9.4 | 202.6 | 183.6 | 6’1″ |
| LB | 270 | 13.5 | 239.3 | 206.9 | 6’2″ |
| TE | 147 | 14.2 | 252.6 | 216.73 | 6’4″ |
| RB | 263 | 11.8 | 217.1 | 191.5 | 5’11” |
| QB | 159 | 14.3 | 223.4 | 191.5 | 6’3″ |
| DL | 445 | 19.4 | 283.2 | 228.3 | 6’4″ |
| OL | 420 | 24.6 | 313.0 | 236.0 | 6’5″ |
| PK | 86 | 15.9 | 206.6 | 173.8 | No Data |
| ST | 15 | 20.2 | 242.6 | 193.6 | No Data |
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24.6% BF for the big hogs up front? Awesome, I’m NFL level at something!
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Perhaps it come down to evolutionary selection.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/06/why-humans-are-fat-primate
This could be the male version of the kind of body dysmorphia that women often complain about, that is, grossly unrealistic body images promoted by media. It’s ironic that we Americans are so obese yet so preoccupied with nearly impossible body images. Or maybe it isn’t ironic; maybe our obesity and unrealistic body fat expectations are two sides of the same problematic relationship with food and health. Consider France by way of contrast, where men don’t care about having six-packs, but also generally aren’t fat.
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I don’t know man I’m French and I’m quite obsessed with my abs
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Would you agree though that this kind of focus is far less common among the French? Maybe as a Francophile I just idealize French culture (especially the part about food and wine) to some degree, but that’s my impression.
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