Iron Sharpens Iron

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Good articles - but remember these are the same type of people who also tell you that sqauts are bad for the knees.
Just ask any lifter who sqauts more than 100 over their bodyweight if they think the belt helps or not ?

Not arguing here but have you seen with any regularity guys who sqaut more than 500 pounds without a belt ?

bottom line guys use belts to lift more weights in the sqaut therefore in the long run have bigger legs.

Just a tool for the job.[/quote]

I’m approaching that opinion myself. I think a belt might get me over 400…

Bagger, how long can you hold a prone bridge for?

You might find the above Stuart McGill article interesting. He is one of the best and maybe the best when it comes to the low back. I’ve actually emailed him a rather lengthy question which he answered. I’ve read both of his books, Low Back Disorders and Ultimate Back Fitness, but have not watched his DVD.

His website is www.backfitpro.com and he has been interviewed several times on here:

Thanks for the responses guys and for the links mrodock. I’ll look into it. I worked my core pretty hard the night before and the next morning I hit the legs. I have a feeling that might have contributed to the issue. In any case, I feel great today even though I’m not sleeping well from the discomfort. Had an easy workout this morning.

Friday AM
Military Press
20xBar
10x95
10x115
8x135

Seated Dumbell Overhead Press
10x50
10x50
8x55

Lateral Raises
10x20
10x25
8x25

Single Arm External Rotations
10x20
10x25
10x25

Pullups
15xBW
10xBW+25
8xBW+25

Pull Downs
10x150
8x150
8x150

Bar Dips
25xBW
20XBW
20XBW

Started HOT-ROX yesterday - Not feeling anything special yet but did notice that I was taking in a lot more oxygen, i.e. breathing harder throughout the workout. Not necessarily tired, just taking in more oxygen…who knows…

[quote]mrodock wrote:
A good belt for the heavier sets, whatever you think they should be for awhile would probably go a really long way.[/quote]

I agree. I use a belt on my heavier sets and it helps my tightness and stability in the hole.

[quote]Jimmy T wrote:
mrodock wrote:
A good belt for the heavier sets, whatever you think they should be for awhile would probably go a really long way.

I agree. I use a belt on my heavier sets and it helps my tightness and stability in the hole.

[/quote]

Any recommendations on type, brand, etc?

[quote]sfp wrote:
Jimmy T wrote:
mrodock wrote:
A good belt for the heavier sets, whatever you think they should be for awhile would probably go a really long way.

I agree. I use a belt on my heavier sets and it helps my tightness and stability in the hole.

Any recommendations on type, brand, etc?[/quote]

I like what they offer on prowriststraps.com. The service is great, the prices are good, and the belts are high quality.

[quote]Bagger wrote:
I worked my core pretty hard the night before and the next morning I hit the legs. I have a feeling that might have contributed to the issue. [/quote]

I think you are probably onto something there.

Bought a belt so I’ll see if it helps prevent any problems.

Last week I was on the road with no gym access so it was a stretch and rest week.

I swapped Monday and Tuesday workout programs to hit the core on Mondays and Chest on Tuesdays. That gives my core a days rest before Legs on Wednesday.

Monday
30 minutes stretching
100 Crunches - 3 sets
100 Leg Raises - 3 sets (25 w/ +25lbs held by knees.
Front Planks - 4 x 1:30
Side Planks - 3 x 45
Kneeling Crunch - 3x12x80
Advanced Clams - 3 sets per side 25
Vacuum - 6 set 20 sec ea.

Tuesday
Flat Bench
25 x bar
12 x 135
3 x 185
3 x 225
1 x 245
2 x 275
1 x 295
10 x 225
6 x 245
6 x 225

Incline Bench
5 x 135
8 x 205
6 x 205
6 x 205

Decline Bench
6 x 265
4 x 265
10 x 225
8 x 225

Bar Dips
10 x BW
10 x BW+60
10 x BW+70
8 x BW+70

Skull Crushers
10x75
6 x 95
10x75
8x75

The new avatar is Suicide Bunny. In case you are wondering, its a feather at the end of a stick. If you like The Darwin Awards, this comic series is pretty funny. I’m old school that way.

Strong bech work bro.

[quote]Jimmy T wrote:
Strong bech work bro.[/quote]

Thanks Jimmy - Its about all I’ve got going for me right now but I’ll take anything I can get.

Wed - Legs
Plates are 45lb

45 Degree Leg Press

10x6 plates
12x6 plates
10x8 plates
10x10 plates
8x10 plates

45 Degree Calf Press

25x6 plates
25x6 plates
15x8 plates
15x10 plates
15x10 plates

Squats
Front 10x135
Back 10x135
Front 8x185
Back 10x185
Back 8x225
Back 8x225
Back 10x225

Seated Calf Raises
15x2 plates
15x3 plates
12x3 plates+25
10x3 plates

Stiff Leg Good Mornings
10xbar
10x135
10x165
10x185
10x185

Hamstring Curl
10x160
10x180
8x195

Standing Calf Raise
10x265
10x315
10x315
8x315

Treadmill Interval Training - 30min.

Getting use to the new belt on Squats and I was all over the place. Not sure if I was having trouble concentrating or what but having trouble getting into position at the bottom. Next week I’m going to start box squats to see if that helps my form. I’m not happy about the light weight, but I’m giving myself 6 months for my back to recover before testing again. Until then its lighter weight and lots more reps.

After reading Maraudermeat’s posts about squatting, I tried to focus on keeping my knees moving more outward coming up and it felt really good. Much more structure.

Thanks Meat!

Shoulder Day - I was short on time but managed to get most of it in.

Standing Military - No leg assist
15xBar
5x95
8x135
7x135
8x95

Shrugs
10x135
10x225
10x255
10x225

Seated Overhead DB Press
8x55
8x55
6x55
5x55

Lateral Raises
10x15
10x20
8x25
6x30

100 Ab Crunches
Usually I try to work in Triceps and more core work but had to rush through. Will try to make it up tomorrow.

Friday Back Day

Chin Ups
40 in 4 sets

Close Grip Chin Ups
35 in 4 sets

Barbell Bent Rows
10x95
10x135
10x135

Pull Downs
8x170
10x150
10x135
10x135

Deadlifts
10xbar
10x135
10x185
10x185
10x185

EZ-Bar Curls
10x75
8x95
6x95

Barbell Curls
5x95
5x95

By the time I was finished with the Chin up sets my biceps and back were pumped. I usually can’t touch the front of my neck with either hand. Bicep work gets combined with Back day. I tested my lower back with deadlifting again just to work on form and see how things are feeling. Even though I was using light weights, I got a decent pump in my lower back. I noticed I have a tendency to bring my knees inward coming up. Its only about an inch per knee, but I can feel some strain in my hips when I do that. First time I’ve noticed it.

Like Squats, I focused on pushing my knees outward at all phases of the deadlift and like squats, felt a more solid structure. Am I on the right track?

[quote]Bagger wrote:

Like Squats, I focused on pushing my knees outward at all phases of the deadlift and like squats, felt a more solid structure. Am I on the right track?[/quote]

Absolutely, I’ve had the same problem.

[quote]mrodock wrote:
Bagger wrote:

Like Squats, I focused on pushing my knees outward at all phases of the deadlift and like squats, felt a more solid structure. Am I on the right track?

Absolutely, I’ve had the same problem.[/quote]

I second that.

Thanks mrodock and Jimmy - Its good to get confirmation that my form sucks ;-). Seriously, this kind of feedback helps. Not sure where I got the habit of letting the knees come inward unless it was all those years of snow skiing.

Chest day:

Bench Press
Warmup
bar x 20
135 x 10
185 x 5
225 x 3
Working Sets
275 x 5
295 x 2
225 x 11
225 x 10
225 x 8

Decline Bench
265 x 4
245 x 6
225 x 8
225 x 6

Incline Bench
135 x 8
185 x 6
185 x 8
205 x 6

DB Flys
30 x 10
45 x 10
50 x 8
50 x 6

Dips
BW+45 x 10
BW+55 x 10
BW+55 x 8
BW x 15

Skull Crushers
75 x 10
75 x 10
75 x 8

Felt pretty good today and could have hit an extra rep or two on some of the heavier lifts if I had a spotter.

Hey Bagger, I wasn’t sure if you caught today’s article, but one of the entries I found particularly intriguing and thought of you:

Myth: You should go ass to grass on squats.
Mythbuster: Mike Robertson

If you have the mobility and stability of an Olympic weightlifter, and can go to full depth on the squat without rounding your lower back and tucking your pelvis, by all means go as deep as want. A tucked pelvis stretches the hell out of the ligaments in your lower back, and puts your spinal discs under more pressure.

If you’re part of the 99 percent of lifters who can’t squat that deep without distorting your spinal alignment, you have no business doing so.

Not at first, anyway.

Your body should have 3-D stability: in the back from spinal erectors, in the front from the rectus abdominis and external obliques, and on the sides from the obliques and quadratus lumborum. This will create a nice “weight belt” of support. Your anterior core has to be just as strong as your posterior core, or you’ll always put your lower back in jeopardy.

The only way you’re going to know how your squat stacks up is to film yourself. Head to the gym with a friend, set up a camera, and watch where your pelvis tucks under. For many, it’ll be right around the point at which your thighs are parallel to the floor.

Now that you’ve identified the problem, you need to tear down your foundation and re-groove your squat pattern. You need to learn how to move through your hips, load your hips, and limit motion in your lower back. I’ve found the best way to do this is to limit your squat depth and get into your “functional range.”

Look again at your video, and see exactly where your pelvis tucks. Set up a box that’s slightly above that level. At first you may not feel like you’re getting low enough, but this is an important time to keep your ego in check and focus on having perfect squat form within that range.

You should also start aggressively foam rolling, focusing on your glutes, tensor fasciae latae (a strip of muscle on the front of your hip, in between your hip flexors and your gluteus medius), IT band (the sheath of connective tissue on the outside of your thigh), and quads. You also want to do some serious core work, including dead bugs and the other exercises I described here , along with ab-wheel rollouts and variations described by Mike Boyle here.

Once you’re taking care of all of the above, start lowering the box over the next few weeks or months. But don’t rush it. Go for the smallest increments your gym equipment will allow, even if it’s just an inch or two at a time. Keep going until you can get as deep as you want without tucking your pelvis. It takes a while to get used to, but when you finish the process, your squat will be a lot stronger.

And if you still want to continue to load your legs while you’re re-grooving your squat pattern, make sure to do some single leg work like lunges and split squats, along with a few exercises that allow you to go heavy and require less hip mobility, like trap-bar deadlifts and rack pulls.

Good stuff Matt - I’ve been working on better mobility and I think the article is spot on. Thanks for sharing it.

Speaking of which, today was leg day and even though I was looking forward to it last night, I woke up with what feels like a hamstring pull. God I hate old man crap like this. I did a pretty aggressive stretching routine on Monday and it apparently manifested itself today. So I sub’d in my back workout instead. Screw you father time.

Back -
Chin ups
BW x 10
BW x 12
BW x 10
BW x 8

Pull Downs
120 x 15
150 x 10
150 x 8
150 x 8

Seated Rows
130 x 10
150 x 10
150 x 10
150 x 8

Bent Rows
Bar x 15
135 x 10
135 x 10
135 x 8

Hyper-extensions
BW x 25
BW x 25
BW x 25

Hanging Leg Raises
3 sets of 25

Light workout and seemed to loosen up the back of the hurt’in knee.
Never Quit Y’all

The volume and weight moved are solid bro. Keep hammering away.

Thanks for the encouragement Jimmy.

Legs today and since its been over a week I took it easy. We have a small gym in the building I work at. There is a very lightly used rack which I’ve claimed for myself.

Warmup
Some off brand leg press machine.
Full Stack (170lbs whoo hoo) for 2 x 20 reps.

Squats
bar x 10
135 x 12
185 x 10
225 x 10
245 x 8

I worked a lot on form and I think I’ve found a new groove. Looked good in the mirror but I need to video tape to make sure. Wider stance, feet flared outward just a little more, ass back and pushing out throughout the movement, and lower. Was able to keep my lower back flat and tight throughout. Felt good and I’m looking forward to going heavier with it. Still letting things heal up.

Cleans
135 x 8
135 x 10
185 missed but had to try
135 x 8

Stiff Leg Good Mornings
135 x 8
135 x 10
155 x 10
185 x 5

Standing Calf Raises - I do these off a cardio step.
225 x 15
275 x 12
275 x 10

Deadlifts - Used the same basic form on these as the Cleans. No back problem.
135 x 10
185 x 10
225 x 8
225 x 8

I think I’m ready to start upping the weight slightly on my next leg session. I’m not feeling any lack of control or weakness that would cause a back problem. Just going to take it slow and start bringing the reps up as well.