Introduction and Cycle

Pharma
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First off, hello. Long time lurker, first time poster and just recently signed up here. I waited a long time to sign up because there is a whole lot of required info to get an account here. It’s a little intimidating when I have the questions that I have.

Anyway, I’m 31 and have been lifting weights off and on for roughly 6 years now. I can’t put up much weight and have recently just got back into going to the gym after a few life changes. This will be a first time go for me on cycling. I want to because I want to look better, lose the extra padding I have around the middle, get stronger, and have a bit more confidence and self-esteem.

Here is my plan, it’s a seven week cycle and I don’t plan to do more than this. I think I’ll do this the one time and take what results I get. I plan on using Clenbuterol, Stano, Anavar, Cytomel, and Proviron. All tabs are per day.

Week 1: 2 20mg Clen tabs; 2 10mg Stano tabs; 2 10mg Anavar tabs
Week 2: 4 20mg Clen tabs; 2 10mg Stano tabs; 2 10mg Ana tabs; 1 25mg Cyto tab
Week 3: 4 20mg Clen tabs; 3 10mg Stano tabs; 3 10mg Ana tabs; 2 25mg Cyto tabs; 1 25mg Prov
Week 4: 3 20mg Clen tabs; 3 10mg Stano tabs; 3 10mg Ana tabs; 2 25mg Cyto tabs
Week 5: 2 10mg Stano tabs; 2 10mg Ana tabs; 2 25mg Cyto tabs; 1 25mg Prov
Week 6: 2 10mg Stano tabs; 2 10mg Ana tabs; 1 25mg Cyto tab
Week 7: 1 25mg Prov

I’m thinking of doing these because, based on what I have read, they have the least estrogen-centric based side effects. Also, I think I found a source and these come nicely packaged together. I don’t live in a very large place contrary to what my profile says so I am thinking of using an online solution for getting my stuff. And, before it is asked, I am using all tabs instead of injectable because I don’t like needles, at all, freak me right the hell out. That and I’m a pre-med student and don’t need any trouble aimed at me when trying to match into a med school programme.

I’d like to speak to someone privately about the reliability of my source, I don’t want to know yours, your name, where you live, or anything like that. And, if anyone can tell where I am planning on getting my gear from a simple “good” or “bad” will suffice.

Thanks in advance for any tips, pointers, or guidance anyone can provide.

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Thanks. I don’t expect too much help on the source. You guys don’t know me from Adam and vice versa and I would rather keep it that way so I realise trust will run thin on that sort of issue. I’m fine with that.

I was going to run light on these because I am a fairly small guy. My normal weight, when I hit the gym regularly and restrict my diet is about 140, just looking to get to 160 or 175 with as little fat as possible. All lean muscle, and from my research these are the best bet for that goal instead of some of the other stuff that would add a lot of mass.

So, in the opinion of people more familiar than myself, should I increase these values; lengthen the cycle; add or remove certain components (I will look into removal of the thyroid hormone)

Again, thanks for the info.

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140? How tall are you?

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I’m 5’8"

I’ve always been on the thin side and when I go to the gym and restrict my diet I get very lean but no muscle. That is what I want to change. Right now I weigh in at 160, but not much muscle. I go to the gym two days on one day off and spend an hour there and I progress in lifting weight to about 150 to 175 then I get absolutely no gains. It’s a bit discouraging and wholly frustrating. Just trying to give myself the boost that genetics apparently screwed me over on.

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That’s because you restrict your diet…

How many calories are you taking in per day? If you don’t know, start at 3500, and every 2 weeks add 500 calories a day until you are gaining weight… The time you spend there isn’t as important as what you are doing while you are there so saying you are in the gym for an hour doesn’t tell me a lot. Its probably not bad genetics, no offense.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I can’t help you in any way with your source, but I will say that with such a low dose of AAS, you should not run the thyroid hormone IMO.

I am in favour of T3 for mass building, but only in the presence of a much stronger set of anabolic signals than you plan on running.

Good luck. I understand your reasoning for wanting to use orals (in this case), so I won’t be giving you any stick about this :wink:

BBB[/quote]

BBB care to explain the T3 for mass-building?
Or point me to correct research or mechanisms T3 and mass-building?
Much appreciated.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I can’t help you in any way with your source, but I will say that with such a low dose of AAS, you should not run the thyroid hormone IMO.

I am in favour of T3 for mass building, but only in the presence of a much stronger set of anabolic signals than you plan on running.

Good luck. I understand your reasoning for wanting to use orals (in this case), so I won’t be giving you any stick about this :wink:

BBB[/quote]
BBB care to explain the T3 for mass-building?
Or point me to correct research or mechanisms T3 and mass-building?
Much appreciated.[/quote]

I could be completely off base here, but I think he might suggest T3 for mass building because it ups the metabolism and there for burns extra calories faster. It works while mass building because you are taking in lots and lots of calories and proteins and the T3 keeps you from gaining fat mass as readily.

Again, I could be completely off, but through my own research that is the conclusion I came to.

And, thanks for the tips on calories. I don’t know exactly how many calories I consume, I normally regiment my diet by size of portion. Here is my typical week worth of food and you can critique or advice: 5 to 6 times a day I have a portion of either beef or chicken the size of my fist along with a cup of brown or white rice, in between those meals I have two handfuls of almonds, three protein bars totalling 60g of protein, a 25g whey protein shake 30 minutes before a workout, and a 50g protein shake immediately following a workout. At night two hours before bed I have another fist sized portion of meat with steamed zuchinni (sp?), broccoli, or some other vegetable. As for workout schedule, I think I stated it earlier, it is two to three days on, one day off with an hour session each time, but that’s not 100% accurate, as I do weights for one hour and then after weight training I hit a bike or treadmill for twenty minutes.

ETA: I’m bad at quoting, sorry. And I clearly didn’t answer the concerns with how I spend my time with regards to the gym.

I spend one day focusing on my arms and chest, and then the next targeting my back and legs. If I go three days in a row I’ll do arms/chest, legs/back, arms/chest. Curls, bench, standing rows, sitting rows, things of that nature. The weight progression is normally ~60% of my max with reps to failure, 70% reps to failure, 80% reps to failure, and if I can force it 90% reps to failure.

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ALso with T3 it will help with protein metabolism and tunover.

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sounds like the OP just needs some food and a better gym regimen.

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[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
sounds like the OP just needs some food and a better gym regimen.[/quote]

That’s helpful. If you think so, please do enlighten me on what I can do to increase gains. My diet and workout are two posts up.

I’m all for critique and advice, but your post doesn’t do much for either of those.

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I’m bad at quoting too, so I copied and pasted

"thanks for the tips on calories. I don’t know exactly how many calories I consume, I normally regiment my diet by size of portion. Here is my typical week worth of food and you can critique or advice: 5 to 6 times a day I have a portion of either beef or chicken the size of my fist along with a cup of brown or white rice, in between those meals I have two handfuls of almonds, three protein bars totalling 60g of protein, a 25g whey protein shake 30 minutes before a workout, and a 50g protein shake immediately following a workout. At night two hours before bed I have another fist sized portion of meat with steamed zuchinni (sp?), broccoli, or some other vegetable. "

Doesn’t seem bad, unless you have some really fucking tiny hands. Gaining weight is simple math though, if you aren’t gaining, raise the intake. If you are 140, and want to get to 160, why would you use clenbuterol though?

“As for workout schedule, I think I stated it earlier, it is two to three days on, one day off with an hour session each time, but that’s not 100% accurate, as I do weights for one hour and then after weight training I hit a bike or treadmill for twenty minutes.”

I would drop that cardio to every other session since you are trying to gain weight.

“I spend one day focusing on my arms and chest, and then the next targeting my back and legs. If I go three days in a row I’ll do arms/chest, legs/back, arms/chest. Curls, bench, standing rows, sitting rows, things of that nature. The weight progression is normally ~60% of my max with reps to failure, 70% reps to failure, 80% reps to failure, and if I can force it 90% reps to failure.”

It scares me that you listed curls first. lol… Focus on the compound lifts if you are looking to gain.

I would rank them

  1. Squat
  2. Deadlift
  3. Bentover row
  4. Overhead press
  5. Bench

I can’t believe you go to failure that much, and still work that heavy… no wonder you aren’t making gains. My opinion may be different than others, but I don’t feel like you should miss a lift often. Less than once a month for strength, and keep it to one burnout set per workout. Pick something for an exercise. Move heavy shit, or get in volume. Don’t try to rep out at 60%, then 70%, then 80%, and then go up to 90%…

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I’m going to follow suit with what you did and copy paste. Hope you don’t mind me stealing your idea.

“Doesn’t seem bad, unless you have some really fucking tiny hands. Gaining weight is simple math though, if you aren’t gaining, raise the intake. If you are 140, and want to get to 160, why would you use clenbuterol though?”

No, regular sized hands as far as I know. Never been offered a position with the circus or anything. I was think Clen because it speeds up metabolism and helps with protein uptake, therefore I could eat a shitload more and the extra caloric intake would promote muscle growth without adding fat, but I can see why this would be counter-intuitive if I am already smaller than I would like to be.

“I would drop that cardio to every other session since you are trying to gain weight.”

Makes sense. I had been under the impression that you want to do cardio with every workout, or alternate between a two hour weight session one day and hour cardio the next. I’ll try cutting cardio out every few session. I did hear the cardio thing from guys that bulk up a lot then cut down, so it probably isn’t the best idea in my case. Thanks.

"It scares me that you listed curls first. lol… Focus on the compound lifts if you are looking to gain.

I would rank them

  1. Squat
  2. Deadlift
  3. Bentover row
  4. Overhead press
  5. Bench

I can’t believe you go to failure that much, and still work that heavy… no wonder you aren’t making gains. My opinion may be different than others, but I don’t feel like you should miss a lift often. Less than once a month for strength, and keep it to one burnout set per workout. Pick something for an exercise. Move heavy shit, or get in volume. Don’t try to rep out at 60%, then 70%, then 80%, and then go up to 90%… "

I didn’t really list curls first out of that’s what I do first, it was just the first thing that popped into my head at the time of typing. I’ll take your ranking into consideration though for sure. In the past couple of days, I have been thinking of adjusting body regions to focus more on a single area rather than grouping as much as I do. But, are you also suggesting that I should be hitting it everyday and miss less than a day a month? Correct me if I’m wrong, and it sounds like I am, but doesn’t muscle only grow on off days? That’s the impression I was under at least. That’s why I hit it hard and then have a rest period, because I have always been told the more you damage the muscles (by lifting and tearing the muscle fibres), the bigger it grows back when resting the follow couple of days. I’m by no means trying to correct you or anything, it’s just much different than what I have been told before.

Anyway, thanks for the advice, it’s much appreciated. I’ll start limiting my weight to 50% max for warm-ups and 70% for lifting and start hitting 4-5 sets of 15-20.

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[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I can’t believe you go to failure that much, and still work that heavy… no wonder you aren’t making gains.
[/quote]

I know a few bb’ers do this. Jay Cutler comes to mind. And before anyone starts in with the “well that’s Jay Cutler…” that’s the whole point. So many people do different protocols that work for them and not for others.

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[quote]groovy341 wrote:
I’m going to follow suit with what you did and copy paste. Hope you don’t mind me stealing your idea.

“Doesn’t seem bad, unless you have some really fucking tiny hands. Gaining weight is simple math though, if you aren’t gaining, raise the intake. If you are 140, and want to get to 160, why would you use clenbuterol though?”

No, regular sized hands as far as I know. Never been offered a position with the circus or anything. I was think Clen because it speeds up metabolism and helps with protein uptake, therefore I could eat a shitload more and the extra caloric intake would promote muscle growth without adding fat, but I can see why this would be counter-intuitive if I am already smaller than I would like to be.

“I would drop that cardio to every other session since you are trying to gain weight.”

Makes sense. I had been under the impression that you want to do cardio with every workout, or alternate between a two hour weight session one day and hour cardio the next. I’ll try cutting cardio out every few session. I did hear the cardio thing from guys that bulk up a lot then cut down, so it probably isn’t the best idea in my case. Thanks.

"It scares me that you listed curls first. lol… Focus on the compound lifts if you are looking to gain.

I would rank them

  1. Squat
  2. Deadlift
  3. Bentover row
  4. Overhead press
  5. Bench

I can’t believe you go to failure that much, and still work that heavy… no wonder you aren’t making gains. My opinion may be different than others, but I don’t feel like you should miss a lift often. Less than once a month for strength, and keep it to one burnout set per workout. Pick something for an exercise. Move heavy shit, or get in volume. Don’t try to rep out at 60%, then 70%, then 80%, and then go up to 90%… "

I didn’t really list curls first out of that’s what I do first, it was just the first thing that popped into my head at the time of typing. I’ll take your ranking into consideration though for sure. In the past couple of days, I have been thinking of adjusting body regions to focus more on a single area rather than grouping as much as I do. But, are you also suggesting that I should be hitting it everyday and miss less than a day a month? Correct me if I’m wrong, and it sounds like I am, but doesn’t muscle only grow on off days? That’s the impression I was under at least. That’s why I hit it hard and then have a rest period, because I have always been told the more you damage the muscles (by lifting and tearing the muscle fibres), the bigger it grows back when resting the follow couple of days. I’m by no means trying to correct you or anything, it’s just much different than what I have been told before.

Anyway, thanks for the advice, it’s much appreciated. I’ll start limiting my weight to 50% max for warm-ups and 70% for lifting and start hitting 4-5 sets of 15-20.[/quote]

If you want to gain size try pushing to a weight where 4-5 sets of 6-10 is hard, in my opinion.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I can’t believe you go to failure that much, and still work that heavy… no wonder you aren’t making gains.
[/quote]

I know a few bb’ers do this. Jay Cutler comes to mind. And before anyone starts in with the “well that’s Jay Cutler…” that’s the whole point. So many people do different protocols that work for them and not for others.[/quote]

Totally agree, but if he is 140, its obviously not the protocol that works for him.

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This should be in the Beginners forum. I am absolutely astounded some dude weighing a buck forty and has no idea how to eat or train is even remotely being taken seriously in this forum. Has it really come down to this?

OP needs to EAT and lift heavy shit. A gallon of milk a day, limited cardio, and Starting Strength would be a good start