[quote]Ramo wrote:
But…but…he lets black people use his bathroom![/quote]
LMFAO! i thought that was funny as hell too.
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
“I’m not a racist. I just don’t believe in mixing the races that way,” Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else.”
LOL. Racism isn’t dead. It just isn’t as visible.
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My girl was sitting in her soc 101 class and her professor brought up the issue " driving while black". this white girl bust out laughing as if someone made a joke. she seriously didn’t know that was true or had ever even heard of it. 2009 and tons of ignorance still floating around. the information age isn’t helping that much. [/quote]
How’s this for one. I was chilling at the bar I used to work at last night, talking to the girl who takes the cover charge. Two mexican guys walk up, look in the club, say “Fuck this, this is a nigger bar.” , turn around and leave. The sad part about this is there were 2 black guys right behind them who didn’t even say anything to them. I would have totally turned a blind eye to that and let them beat the shit out of the mexican guys.
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
phishfood1128 wrote:
the whole definition of racism is all out of whack to begin with. You are racist when you think another race is sub-human when compared to your own race or other races. To hate someone because of the color of their skin is just that. You dont like them (for “x” reason). This guy isnt racist (in my definition) but just doesnt like black people.
He is entitled to his belief and can like or dislike whoever he wants. The problem is he is a representative of the justice system and therefore his own prejudices should not have any bearing on his job. The man should be fired.
Racism isn’t that complicated. It’s just making assumptions based on the race of that person. Putting all people of the same race in the same boat.
For example, you may see an Asian girl and automatically assume she is great at math, which is a common stereotype (and there is a lot of truth to stereotypes, but that is because of their cutltural tendencies, not something as simple as the color of their skin). That is racist, but at the same time definitely not looking down on her. If you think someone is better than you at math, it’s not looking at them as a sub-human in my opinion.
I will chime in and say that I’ve met gorgeous women of all races, but will agree that I rarely see a mixed (or assumed to be mixed) girl that is not at least decent if not gorgeous, too.
Furthermore, I want to put in 2 cents about the whole racism thing. Like someone else said, as long as there are humans there will be racism. It’s human nature to judge a book by its cover, we can’t help it. We can control it and not show it, but at the very least in the back of your head, before you actually get to know someone or talk to them, you are forming an opinion of them based on what they look like. Everyone does it, I can’t wait to hear people come here and lie and say they don’t. There are 2 movie scenes that I can think of as a prime example to this:
When you watched How High for the first time and their friend who was staying on the couch and not talking throught the whole movie finally said something, don’t tell me that at least in the very back of your head, you were surprised when he spoke so clearly and with great articulation.
Second, in The Dark Knight, when the guy who played Debo (the big black, jailbird with tattoos, on the boat near the end of the movie) took the trigger to the bombs on the other boat and threw it out the window. Noone better come on here and lie and say they weren’t shocked when that happened. Everyone in every movie theatre already thought they knew what he was gonna do. He said “give me it to me, I’ll do what you should’ve done already” That was a powerful scene for me, I love scenes like that, because they make you think and help to dispel misguided prejudices. Don’t even get me started on Crash, I recommend every person watch that movie.
I also agree that there is a double standard, but a lot of people overemphasize it. Take it from a white guy who grew up in a black area. I got picked on every day because I was a skinny white boy, so I can relate to minorities, because where I’m from I’m the minority. But instead of letting it bother me, I just got over it. If they want to expose racists in the news then let them, the news is about getting ratings at the end of the day, so they will put out whatever stories they think will get the most people to watch.[/quote]
My definition of racism was just a quick post and i agree with your asian/math example. It doesnt have to be sub-human but i feel like stereotyping and racism are two different beings. One can think their race is a superior race which is “racist”. i just hate the term racism because whenever people try to have an honest debate on race someone shouts racism and the intelligent conversation is done. Once someone throws the racism card out the offending party is delegitimized and vilified (both sides). I think there needs to be clear discussions on the topic of race relations without someone calling someone else a racist. For instance i do not think its racist to call someone black. i dont like the term african american because someone can be of jamaican/haitian etc decent especially being from the diverse city that im from. But i have been accused of being a racist because i refer to someone as black (by another white guy).
There is definately racism in my area and especially in the northeast. We like to pretend we are more educated and better than that but its pure bs. There is a long legacy of racism here because of hate being fosterd over generations because blacks and italian/irish americans competed for jobs with blacks when there were big waves of immigration to the nyc area.
I guess my view of racism is different than others. Take affirmitive action (controversial topic i know). On one hand i agree with it because of all the past injustices and present inequalities but at the same time i feel the program is somewhat passively racist because they feel that minorities cannot achieve what a white person can without extra “points”/“help”.
now how about those jews?
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
cywren wrote:
grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?
i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.
I spent some time in the South and it was a very rude awakening. There is still a lot of polarization in certain areas of the south. This really doesn’t surprise me horribly and he is not completely wrong about how interracial children are treated in those areas. I don’t agree with him or his decision.
I Live in Rochester NY (western new york state) and all i have to do is drive 10 mins out of the city to find people like that.
I talked to a dude a few years ago from Altoona PA and he told us after a few beers that “there aint no ni*#er within thirty miles of Altoona” What an asshole. My point is, you don’t have to go south to find shitheads like him.
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Instead of people just saying they spent time in the south it would be better to say exactly where. I mean the south is a huge area.
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.[/quote]
100% agree. thats what i have been trying to say from my first post. i think it gets bent to mean too many different things which can be damaging to intellectual debate.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I think what this guy did is wrong, so please dont take this the wrong way. What if this was the other way around? A black man not wanting to marry a white man and black woman, or a black man and white woman, take your pick. Would this even be reported on? Racism goes both ways. We only hear about the racism that the white man perpitrates.
You can’t be serious. After all of the hell surrounding Rev Wright, you think people would ignore this if a black man wouldn’t marry an interracial couple?
I live in the south and I never saw mixed kids being treated any different than anyone else. Hell, if anything, mixed girls were often the finest girls in the class.
Shit, until Wesley Snipes hit the scene, El Debarge and “beige brothers” were getting more ass than anyone else.
I have to agree with you that mixed girls were some of the finest girls in the class. My wife is one of them.
Rev Wright was using a pulpit to spread racism under the name of Christianity. The same can be said for the KKK. I get very angry when people spit hate from the pulpit in the name of God.
Lets remember the quote from Ray Nagin about a Chocolate City. Did that really matter to everyone? It came and went 2 days later, and he is still the Mayor of New Orleans. If a white mayor would mention a Vanilla City he would not be the Mayor much longer.
So, historical references and slow social change are all foreign concepts for you? Wait, let me guess…you see no difference in society and racial issues in terms of say, 1990 to 2009?
While things may be more equal right now than at any other point inn this country’s history, for anyone to truthfully have the opinion that ALL vocalizations of racial preference are completely the same is a little naive and not even worth further discussion.
If you see “Chocolate City” on the same level as denying two people from spending their life together, so be it.
For the record, New Orleans sure as hell ain’t “vanilla”. Maybe Rocky Road or Napoleon.[/quote]
Neapolitan maybe?
Hey maybe they’ll make a Napoleon flavored version of Metabolic Drive!!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Onslaught2099 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
“I’m not a racist. I just don’t believe in mixing the races that way,” Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else.”
LOL. Racism isn’t dead. It just isn’t as visible.
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My girl was sitting in her soc 101 class and her professor brought up the issue " driving while black". this white girl bust out laughing as if someone made a joke. she seriously didn’t know that was true or had ever even heard of it. 2009 and tons of ignorance still floating around. the information age isn’t helping that much.
How’s this for one. I was chilling at the bar I used to work at last night, talking to the girl who takes the cover charge. Two mexican guys walk up, look in the club, say “Fuck this, this is a nigger bar.” , turn around and leave. The sad part about this is there were 2 black guys right behind them who didn’t even say anything to them. I would have totally turned a blind eye to that and let them beat the shit out of the mexican guys.
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I hear you on that man. I would’ve looked the other way too. Crazy thing about my girls class is that she is 28 being one of the oldest students. I would think someone younger would already be aware of these things that are happening.
I’m not sure if its my upbringing or what but i’m down for any hot looking shorty. i could care less what your race is. if you look straight and have enough mental power to keep up a good conversation than i’m all about that.
I’m Mixed and i catch ignorant stuff from both sides all the time. i got ricans on one side saying the hate black people and i have black people calling rinans “mira miras” in my face because neither one can register that i’m mixed with both.
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
I guess my view of racism is different than others. Take affirmitive action (controversial topic i know). On one hand i agree with it because of all the past injustices and present inequalities but at the same time i feel the program is somewhat passively racist because they feel that minorities cannot achieve what a white person can without extra “points”/“help”.
now how about those jews?[/quote]
my gf got a lot of financial help to go to college because of affirmative action. that was good because her parents couldn’t have sent her to school themselves, and she got through it without too many loans. so is it a good thing that an intelligent young woman had the opportunity to go to a good school without crushing debt? i think so.
maybe the controversy comes from the assumption that funds made available for affirmative action mean less funds available for intelligent white people? that’s sort of like the “lost sale” hypothesis of the RIAA, neither of which i believe are true.
until we have quality higher education at a much lower price (which is another discussion entirely), i argue that any mechanism that allows young people to obtain higher education is a good thing.
on topic:
love and marriage are also good things, btw. interracial marriage is good because over generations it blurs the lines… race is no longer black or white. over time i think that’s going to alleviate some racial tensions in america.
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
I’m Mixed and i catch ignorant stuff from both sides all the time. i got ricans on one side saying the hate black people and i have black people calling rinans “mira miras” in my face because neither one can register that i’m mixed with both. [/quote]
now this is interesting. tell us more!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.[/quote]
Here’s what the judge originally said:
[quote]Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”[/quote]
The data is actually on his side, but not hugely so:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
[quote]grettiron wrote:
phishfood1128 wrote:
I guess my view of racism is different than others. Take affirmitive action (controversial topic i know). On one hand i agree with it because of all the past injustices and present inequalities but at the same time i feel the program is somewhat passively racist because they feel that minorities cannot achieve what a white person can without extra “points”/“help”.
now how about those jews?
my gf got a lot of financial help to go to college because of affirmative action. that was good because her parents couldn’t have sent her to school themselves, and she got through it without too many loans. so is it a good thing that an intelligent young woman had the opportunity to go to a good school without crushing debt? i think so.
maybe the controversy comes from the assumption that funds made available for affirmative action mean less funds available for intelligent white people? that’s sort of like the “lost sale” hypothesis of the RIAA, neither of which i believe are true.
until we have quality higher education at a much lower price (which is another discussion entirely), i argue that any mechanism that allows young people to obtain higher education is a good thing.
on topic:
love and marriage are also good things, btw. interracial marriage is good because over generations it blurs the lines… race is no longer black or white. over time i think that’s going to alleviate some racial tensions in america.
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no cases like your girlfriend are what the programs should focus on. I dont care if the money goes to whites asians blacks arabs whatever. I feel that any government program that is assisting tuition should be given to children who are poor and really need it, not because of their skin color.
i agree with the affordable education. I was fortunate to go to private school my whole life but the school situation is screwed up. The worst is the ever expanding price tag for college which could be argued is the equivalent of a high school degree nowadays. Every kid should be able to get a great education no matter what ethnicity or race they are.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.
Here’s what the judge originally said:
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”
The data is actually on his side, but not hugely so:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
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Wow. Isn’t the rate of divorce around 50% for ALL couples?
[quote]grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?
i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.[/quote]
I can tell you the Northeast has more racism/segregation than the South.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
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Whatever harm interracial children may experience…well, that genie is out of the bottle no matter if the world is ready to accept them or not. I seriously doubt these folks aren’t going to end up married just because he refused them. So, even if he’s right, and this was his sole motivation, there’s no point to this. He’ll be removed and they’ll still marry. Best that can be hoped for is that these children find more acceptance, and feel more accepted, over time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.
Here’s what the judge originally said:
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”
The data is actually on his side, but not hugely so:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
Wow. Isn’t the rate of divorce around 50% for ALL couples?
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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
GuerillaZen wrote:
You find this based on what? How did you come to this conclusion?
Personal experience. And because, being white, I hear what white people say when minorities aren’t around. People assume you think the same way they do based on your skin color. [/quote]
To the rest of your post, I freely admit that maybe I am missing something. But, in turn, I think you too are missing something. As above, out of the millions of people who might hold the opinion that is the point of discussion, how many of these people have you heard speak this way so that you can claim “most” are racist?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
Whatever harm interracial children may experience…well, that genie is out of the bottle no matter if the world is ready to accept them or not. I seriously doubt these folks aren’t going to end up married just because he refused them. So, even if he’s right, and this was his sole motivation, there’s no point to this. He’ll be removed and they’ll still marry. Best that can be hoped for is that these children find more acceptance, and feel more accepted, over time.[/quote]
To be sure. I was just pointing out that what Bardwell has observed is objectively true, probably even moreso in the South. In fact, Barack Obama’s own experience is another data point. He was raised in a white world, told elaborate stories about his alcoholic deadbeat of a father by his mother, and spent the rest of his youth attempting to become black enough, if we’re to believe his first book “Dreams from my Father.”
Out here, you see very few black/white couples. It’s mostly white/Asian and those tend to work out.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
Whatever harm interracial children may experience…well, that genie is out of the bottle no matter if the world is ready to accept them or not. I seriously doubt these folks aren’t going to end up married just because he refused them. So, even if he’s right, and this was his sole motivation, there’s no point to this. He’ll be removed and they’ll still marry. Best that can be hoped for is that these children find more acceptance, and feel more accepted, over time.
To be sure. I was just pointing out that what Bardwell has observed is objectively true, probably even moreso in the South. In fact, Barack Obama’s own experience is another data point. He was raised in a white world, told elaborate stories about his alcoholic deadbeat of a father by his mother, and spent the rest of his youth attempting to become black enough, if we’re to believe his first book “Dreams from my Father.”
Out here, you see very few black/white couples. It’s mostly white/Asian and those tend to work out.
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Dude every post you say, “even more so in the south.” Where do you get this info? That would be like me saying hey there are a lot of child moleters in the west.
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
phishfood1128 wrote:
My definition of racism was just a quick post and i agree with your asian/math example. It doesnt have to be sub-human but i feel like stereotyping and racism are two different beings. One can think their race is a superior race which is “racist”. i just hate the term racism because whenever people try to have an honest debate on race someone shouts racism and the intelligent conversation is done. Once someone throws the racism card out the offending party is delegitimized and vilified (both sides). I think there needs to be clear discussions on the topic of race relations without someone calling someone else a racist. For instance i do not think its racist to call someone black. i dont like the term african american because someone can be of jamaican/haitian etc decent especially being from the diverse city that im from. But i have been accused of being a racist because i refer to someone as black (by another white guy).
There is definately racism in my area and especially in the northeast. We like to pretend we are more educated and better than that but its pure bs. There is a long legacy of racism here because of hate being fosterd over generations because blacks and italian/irish americans competed for jobs with blacks when there were big waves of immigration to the nyc area.
I guess my view of racism is different than others. Take affirmitive action (controversial topic i know). On one hand i agree with it because of all the past injustices and present inequalities but at the same time i feel the program is somewhat passively racist because they feel that minorities cannot achieve what a white person can without extra “points”/“help”.
now how about those jews?[/quote]
I hear you, I don’t really like the term African-American. Around here, I’m told that there’s dislike between black people from here and black people from Africa. I feel like the people from Africa should be African-Americans before the people from here. The 2 groups definitely don’t like being put in the same boat. So the black people from here should just be Americans as far as I’m concerned, just like I am. Noone calls me a European-American, but if that’s how they want to be called, this is the same idea for the white folk. Whereas, someone who was born and raised in Europe should be called European-American (assuming they’ve moved and are living here now) before I am.
That’s a funny story about the Mexicans not going in to the bar, too. I really can’t help wondering what would’ve happened if 2 white guys said that, in all honesty. When I was in school studying psychology, I took an intercultural psych class. The TA was extremely hot (and appeared to be mixed, for the record) so I didn’t listen much, especially since she liked wearing small sundresses with what appeared to be no bra at all. And she was very, very perky, if you know what I mean. I’ll stop now. But one part I did catch was that apparently, according to some study, all white people are inherently racist. This was a peer-reviewed article done by actual researchers. Ain’t that some shit? what’s a white guy to do? no matter what I do, they still tell me I’m racist. That study seems a bit racist to me.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.[/quote]
from the Merriam-Webster dicionary (on the internet):
racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
so I guess we’re both right, although I suppose you’re closer