Racism exists in all facets of life no matter what color you are.
The link talks about comments made by the NAACP about Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon’s current legal situation and her possible replacement.
“Our concern is who would the governor appoint?” Cheatham said. “Here you have a predominantly African-American city. What if the governor appointed somebody white? … Would he appoint someone Irish to be the mayor?”
So ridiculous.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Here’s what the judge originally said:
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”
The data is actually on his side, but not hugely so:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
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I’m sure the couple is aware of how they and their children MAY be treated by both sides, but it’s still not his place to make that decision for them. And like someone else said, it doesn’t matter, they’ll just find someone else to marry them. And if they don’t get married, they’ll still probably have kids anyway, so he still shoulda just married them.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
As above, out of the millions of people who might hold the opinion that is the point of discussion, how many of these people have you heard speak this way so that you can claim “most” are racist?
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75-85% of white people I have ever have ever met, and any sort of conversation about race was had, are ignorant assholes. Maybe it is because I have lived in New England my whole life, and very close to Boston the last decade or so. Whatever the reason, the ignorance is still very strong, at least here. Just not public. (I will say, generally speaking, women don’t seem to harbor the same ill will. Much less of them give a shit what color you are.)
Look, pointing out the double standard, in an adult and civilized manor is one thing. Using it as a defense to justify shit, is another. And I’m saying the people that use it as a defense and cry about the double standard, typically are just bitter they can’t call someone a “spook” anymore.
But now a whole bunch of people on this board are going to jump my shit for saying that, so I’m out of this thread if that happens.
[quote]sevenmoist wrote:
Onslaught2099 wrote:
bond james bond wrote:
cywren wrote:
grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?
i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.
I spent some time in the South and it was a very rude awakening. There is still a lot of polarization in certain areas of the south. This really doesn’t surprise me horribly and he is not completely wrong about how interracial children are treated in those areas. I don’t agree with him or his decision.
I Live in Rochester NY (western new york state) and all i have to do is drive 10 mins out of the city to find people like that.
I talked to a dude a few years ago from Altoona PA and he told us after a few beers that “there aint no ni*#er within thirty miles of Altoona” What an asshole. My point is, you don’t have to go south to find shitheads like him.
Instead of people just saying they spent time in the south it would be better to say exactly where. I mean the south is a huge area.
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Yeah, and from what I have seen from living all over the south my whole life and the select time I have visited the Northeast, the South is more understanding than the Northeast. It’s funny how folks just assume everyone in the South is racist. We did invent Southern Hospitality.
ridiculous
Everyone knows whites keep the minorities down by making them live in slums, giving them crack, portraying them negatively on television, sending them to shitty public schools and making them work on hourly minimum wages - so that they will barely get by living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can’t save or even THINK about the future - so at best if they bust their ass for a few decades they can send their kids to college.
Theres no genetic difference between whites and minorities, yet we justify their low positions due to their “inferiority”. Its bullshit. RACE IS SOCIALLY CREATED AND OUR GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS RACIAL INEQUALITY. Their can be no rascism but thats what we teach the next generations.
[quote]sevenmoist wrote:
Dude every post you say, “even more so in the south.” Where do you get this info? That would be like me saying hey there are a lot of child moleters in the west.
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There are more blacks in the South according to the 2000 census, therefore you’d tend to see more of these black/white pairings on average than someplace where there are fewer blacks.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
sevenmoist wrote:
Dude every post you say, “even more so in the south.” Where do you get this info? That would be like me saying hey there are a lot of child moleters in the west.
There are more blacks in the South according to the 2000 census, therefore you’d tend to see more of these black/white pairings on average than someplace where there are fewer blacks. [/quote]
Okay that seems logical. I was thinking that you were saying something else.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
ridiculous
Everyone knows whites keep the minorities down by making them live in slums, giving them crack, portraying them negatively on television, sending them to shitty public schools and making them work on hourly minimum wages - so that they will barely get by living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can’t save or even THINK about the future - so at best if they bust their ass for a few decades they can send their kids to college.
Theres no genetic difference between whites and minorities, yet we justify their low positions due to their “inferiority”. Its bullshit. RACE IS SOCIALLY CREATED AND OUR GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS RACIAL INEQUALITY. Their can be no rascism but thats what we teach the next generations.
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There is race, we are programmed to not like people different from us. Now, if we get to know them it could change, but then again we do not need to be forced to know someone. I would not say that whites keep down minorities, I think it is more of the elites of the government. Look at Obama, do you really think giving poor people money is a good thing? Do you think it is a good thing for poor people to think that the government will take care of them, or would it be better for them to have pride and work for something.
On minimum wage (as well as child labor laws), I do not think there should be minimum wage laws personally, keeps too many people unemployed, and who says children shouldn’t work. You see children all the time doing fundraisers to fund things they are doing. So, what is the difference between children fundraising for about 1 dollar an hour when a grocery store would be glad to hire them at 2-3 dollars an hour to bag groceries. It would allow them to make more money with usually better conditions.
Honestly, people have a good heart, but they do not understand it economically. If we dropped minimum wage and cut the labor laws, people could make more money (more demand for workers if unemployed workers are working for under minimum wage, so if someone needed an employee for something the company would need to offer a larger amount of money), and result of having more money in their life time to get out of the slums.
Just because a black person feels they are being suppressed, does not mean they are, they just feel they are. Example, Professor X has a great career, probably has a decent life, I’m guessing a nice house in the Suburbs, dates crazy ass bitches from Compton. He could have been, “the man’s sticken it to me and I’ll never get anywhere, because he is keeping me down.” I have heard this many times from all kinds of people, the people that actually make it, know that it’s only them that will get them anywhere or keep them in the same spot. No one else, people are not standing out of colleges and job sites with high paying salaries with pitch forks and shot guns telling them they will not let minorities in, or am I living in a different America.
People who say someone else will not let them do something disgust me, unless they are your parents and these people are paying the rent. No one is going to stop you from doing something you want to do. And even your parents are not going to stop you from going to college, get a job, move out, have a nice life. The reason why only ten percent of the population hold 90% of the money is because the other 90% don’t have the balls to be the top 10%.
Reminding me of my psychology classes (thanks TDUB) you can actually test if you are “racist” or stereotype people based on the Harvard IAT. Implicit Association Test This test can tell if you are prejudiced against whites, blacks, fat people, women, etc. Its pretty cool.
countingbeans, i agree with you b/c im in the same type of situation being right outside nyc. I really think all the racism comes from the parents of parents of parents who were immigrants and had to compete with blacks and other minority groups for jobs. Economic competition is an extremely powerful motivating force.
And people keep refering to “the South”. Where exactly is that? How do i get there?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
The reason why only ten percent of the population hold 90% of the money is because the other 90% don’t have the balls to be the top 10%.[/quote]
Because I don’t feel like addressing the idiocy of this comment, let’s add some humor to the thread:
Miscegenation is against the way of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Repent sinners!
Actually, if interracial marriage can give us Leona Lewis, I say it should be part of ferderal law.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Miscegenation is against the way of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Repent sinners!
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Huh?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Lauren Hill’s response:
“What I did say was that I love my people, black people, and I will continue to make music for them.”
I remember it being a pretty big deal, though, I’m surprised X doesn’t remember.[/quote]
women all grabbin on my shishkabob/bought lauryn hill’s tape so her kids could starve
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.
That’s kind of what I always assumed. Flip it the other way around and look at the results on in-breeding. You’re not going to get a lot of beauty there.
This may or may not be scientifically correct, but when you read profiles of famous models or actresses, they are often of mixed (not necessarily black and white) background. Jessica Alba is French and Mexican, Giselle is German and Brazilian, Christina Aguilera is Irish and Ecuadorian. I’m sure I could look up more but I’m too lazy.
I there anything from a biological perspective that would back this up?[/quote]
Perhaps hybrid vigour.
I doubt the difference between “races” are big enough for this to be a significant factor though.
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
Reminding me of my psychology classes (thanks TDUB) you can actually test if you are “racist” or stereotype people based on the Harvard IAT. Implicit Association Test This test can tell if you are prejudiced against whites, blacks, fat people, women, etc. Its pretty cool.
countingbeans, i agree with you b/c im in the same type of situation being right outside nyc. I really think all the racism comes from the parents of parents of parents who were immigrants and had to compete with blacks and other minority groups for jobs. Economic competition is an extremely powerful motivating force.
And people keep refering to “the South”. Where exactly is that? How do i get there? [/quote]
That’s the second time I have done that test and both times my result was “strong preference for white faces”.
oh well
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
(I will say, generally speaking, women don’t seem to harbor the same ill will. Much less of them give a shit what color you are.)
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I live on the other side of the world to you, but my experience has been the opposite.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
(I will say, generally speaking, women don’t seem to harbor the same ill will. Much less of them give a shit what color you are.)
I live on the other side of the world to you, but my experience has been the opposite.
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Explain.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
jahall wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Why are mixed girls some of the finest? As in they can be “fine?” Or, that they are more often “fine?” I hear this alot, but sometimes it comes off as if mixed children are actually being placed above their peers in the looks department.
This question is serious? Why is Jessica Alba fine? Gee, I bet I could give you at least 20 reasons why she is and her race has little to do with it.
X, You’ve really got to learn to let shit like this go man. I think your going to have a heart
attack with all the damn race arguing on this forum. If people choose to be dumb, just fucking
let them man. No amount of e-yelling is going to change anyones opinion, and i think your just
letting stupid people get the best of you.
Sorry fella. But this isn’t a phenomenon of my imagination. In fact, it’s a rather common utterance when interracial relationships are discussed. That interracial children are unommonly good-looking. Anyone pretending they’ve never heard these statements is a liar, or doesn’t get out of the house much. What’s funny about this, is I’m not even disagreeing [Edit: Though I’m not agreeing either, on a personal level.] I’m actually agreeing that there’s seems to be, more often than not, an agreement that mixed children are seen as physically beautiful to a degree worthy of note by a good many people. At least I hear it often enough to arrive at that conclusion.[/quote]
Often it is due to a juxtoposition of features that you would not normally see together.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.
Which leads to asking if there isn’t some biological imperative to do just that. Which might explain preferences for mixed women. I accept your answer, taking your word, that this wasn’t what you meant. Never said I wouldn’t.
But I have heard a great many (from a number of races) comment on the beauty of interracial children and adults. While we’ve clashed in the past. I wasn’t aiming to skewer you, whichever way your answer (or the answer of others) fell. It’s just that your comment did sound ambiguous enough to me, to raise the question and possibly a conversation. In the end, you might find this unbelievable, but I think your comment, the quote above, has much merit. And even has some academic and scientific merit. Not saying it’s a scientific fact. But, it makes sense from a biological view.
Our only hops as a species long term would be to eventually get rid of racial differences by physically mixing all races until the distinction no longer holds merit. I doubt it will happen before we kill ourselves off, but it seems to be the way the world could eventually go if we survived long enough.
Bottom line, I know what I am attracted to and I also know that it has much to do with my own surroundings. I grew up initially around mostly white kids (in school) even though I actually lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. Therefore, what I was initially attracted to in women was other white girls because that was almost all of what I was exposed to outside of my own family. That preference changed once I found myself around a larger racial mix of people in high school.
While not completely on topic, this is why it is very important for children to be exposed to differences in culture and race so that exclusionary preferences are avoided. This is also why that new Black Barbie doll is so important. If minorities saw no public representations of similar people held as symbols of beauty, they end up like that late 70’s study where the kids were asked which doll was “bad”, the black or white doll.
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I hope a total homogenisation never occurs. One of the things that makes people attractive is being different. Being tall, fair and blue eyed in Mexico I get way more attention than I did in the UK. And I drool over girls here that my Mexican friends see as just average.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Racism is the belief that your race is inheriantly superior. Stereotypes aren’t always racist. I’ll let you guys ponder that.
Here’s what the judge originally said:
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“I don’t do interracial marriages because I don’t want to put children in a situation they didn’t bring on themselves,” Bardwell said. “In my heart, I feel the children will later suffer.”
The data is actually on his side, but not hugely so:
Based on his personal observations in the South, it may be higher.
Most of the outrage on this thread is because a white guy is acting out.
Unsurprisingly, the Obama admin weighed in on this as well. Of course, Stanly Ann Dunham Obama Soetero’s own experience confirms what Bardwell has been saying. Obama Sr. was a bigamist who flew the coop a short time after young Barack was born.
People are calling him “ignorant.” I don’t know how that can be so. If he kept his own mental record of how interracial couples did after he married them and later concluded, “Hey, they’re mostly endign in divorce,” wouldn’t that be the opposite of “ignorant?”
Wow. Isn’t the rate of divorce around 50% for ALL couples?
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Exactly which should lead to him refusing marriage licenses to anyone because marriage or a man and a woman often leads to divorce and the children suffer.