Interracial Couple Denied Marriage in LA

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bottom line, I know what I am attracted to and I also know that it has much to do with my own surroundings. I grew up initially around mostly white kids (in school) even though I actually lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. Therefore, what I was initially attracted to in women was other white girls because that was almost all of what I was exposed to outside of my own family. That preference changed once I found myself around a larger racial mix of people in high school.
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I developed a thing for asians about the same time I got into higher level math courses in college, but I never thought about the connection lol. Funny but true

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?

i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.

Things are not that different in the northeast. I am from the South and teach in the northeast and there are plenty of racist attitudes and comments but they are washed over with the belief that because the north won the War between the States, they are not racist.

I am teaching four classes this semester and I heard at least one racist comment give out loud for discussion in each before the third class of the semester.

I have also had students tell me they figured I was racist because I am from the South and were surprised when I did not turn out to be. They may not be racism, but its pretty similar.[/quote]

Dude, Boston is without a doubt in my mind, one of the most racially ignorant places on the planet. Mainly due to the fact that some many people walk around here pretending to be such free thinking liberals, when in fact they have their heads stuck up their ass.

Reference busing, and ask Bill Russel what he thought about that city.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I think what this guy did is wrong, so please dont take this the wrong way. What if this was the other way around? A black man not wanting to marry a white man and black woman, or a black man and white woman, take your pick. Would this even be reported on? Racism goes both ways. We only hear about the racism that the white man perpitrates.

You can’t be serious. After all of the hell surrounding Rev Wright, you think people would ignore this if a black man wouldn’t marry an interracial couple?

I live in the south and I never saw mixed kids being treated any different than anyone else. Hell, if anything, mixed girls were often the finest girls in the class.

Shit, until Wesley Snipes hit the scene, El Debarge and “beige brothers” were getting more ass than anyone else.

I have to agree with you that mixed girls were some of the finest girls in the class. My wife is one of them.

Rev Wright was using a pulpit to spread racism under the name of Christianity. The same can be said for the KKK. I get very angry when people spit hate from the pulpit in the name of God.

Lets remember the quote from Ray Nagin about a Chocolate City. Did that really matter to everyone? It came and went 2 days later, and he is still the Mayor of New Orleans. If a white mayor would mention a Vanilla City he would not be the Mayor much longer.

So, historical references and slow social change are all foreign concepts for you? Wait, let me guess…you see no difference in society and racial issues in terms of say, 1990 to 2009?

While things may be more equal right now than at any other point inn this country’s history, for anyone to truthfully have the opinion that ALL vocalizations of racial preference are completely the same is a little naive and not even worth further discussion.

If you see “Chocolate City” on the same level as denying two people from spending their life together, so be it.

For the record, New Orleans sure as hell ain’t “vanilla”. Maybe Rocky Road or Napoleon.[/quote]

Uh… I’d say that pretty much saying that Mexican immigrants arent welcome in New Orleans is far worse then someone saying that he wont marry them.
The Chocolate City comment was only part of the controversy.

Rascism is shrinking, gender issues are shrinking but class inequality is sky rocketing. There are 31 billionaires and 22 million people living in poverty in The USA, the richest country there is and you’re tied up on a marriage license.

To comment on the original article, I honestly thought it was a joke. And I have no clue what he’s talking about how interracial children are shunned by both whites and blacks. Just about every single interracial (Larry David would say Mulatto) person I know is extremely good looking and socially successful.

One girl I know is basically the reigning queen of her college (Miss University, homecoming queen, etc etc). She must feel so out of place

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?

i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.

Things are not that different in the northeast. I am from the South and teach in the northeast and there are plenty of racist attitudes and comments but they are washed over with the belief that because the north won the War between the States, they are not racist.

I am teaching four classes this semester and I heard at least one racist comment give out loud for discussion in each before the third class of the semester.

I have also had students tell me they figured I was racist because I am from the South and were surprised when I did not turn out to be. They may not be racism, but its pretty similar.

Dude, Boston is without a doubt in my mind, one of the most racially ignorant places on the planet. Mainly due to the fact that some many people walk around here pretending to be such free thinking liberals, when in fact they have their heads stuck up their ass.

Reference busing, and ask Bill Russel what he thought about that city.[/quote]

Man…I must say that I was exposed to some of the most ignorant views and stereotypes of black people(and Texans…lol) when I spent some time up in New England area. I never encountered the same level of bullshit growing up in TX…it was definitely a learning experience.

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Again, the word typical was used above. Is everyone the same? No. But from what I find, those white people that are butt hurt to the point to constantly stomp their proverbial feet and cry and whine about a double standard, by and large, are just bitter they can express their true feelings in a public setting.

Is everyone that points out a double standard like that? No. But TYPICALLY, in my experience, the people that like to bring it up as a defense to any situation that involves race are racist themselves. It is just like the saying that those that are first to point the finger are often guilty themselves. [/quote]

You find this based on what? How did you come to this conclusion? Becuase their opinion is different from yours and this is how you reconcile with yourself that they are wrong and you are right? Further, to what extent are these people racist? There are very few people (probably none) who have no biggoted feelings in some regard whether it be race, people with disabilities, gender, etc? So, then, at what point does someone become a racist instead of a normal person who sees the world through the social context in which they are most familiar?

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LOL. I don’t even remember the specifics of that thread, but I’m glad you remember my views so succinctly. From what I remember my point was that people that are going to say that behavior is exclusive to blacks, or in any way dependent upon skin color, is ignorant and obviously ignores when people of other races do it. You can’t for one second take the behavior of one individual and extrapolate that across an entire race of people and expect people to NOT think your an ignorant fuck. [/quote]

I agree with with the main theme of this, but I do remember your views succinctly because it struck me as particularly misguided. While I agree that you cannot attribute a single characteristic like walking slowly across the street to an entire race of people, it is again, impossible to ascertain a persons motivation for perceiving things in a particular way. I.E. you cannot claim to know that the guy who started the thread saw the same activity in the white people of his neighborhood and chose not to ignore it. Perhaps, he did see it, but instead of choosing to ignore it just never actually thought about it. Perhaps he never actually saw this at all. Either way, Does this make him racist or just someone who sees the world through the social context with which he is most familiar.

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LOL. I’ll be sure to work on giving a fuck about your opinion of me.
It is both arrogant and ignorant to pretend to understand the motivations of millions of people based on one common opinion. Disagree with their point, fine, then refute it. However, when you start assigning intent to people that isn’t there and start throwing around terms like “racist” for everyone who disagrees with your opinion it only proves that you do not have the intellectual capacity to combat their argument intelligently.

Again, in this thread I said “I find” and “typical”. You may want to look up what those words before you try and put words in my mouth.

And you are also doing to me now, with your “evaluation” the same thing you are bitching and accusing me of. Think about it kid. You aren’t any different than me. Does that bother you?[/quote]

Again, what is the basis for claiming most or even evaluating an individual person in this regard? What other evidence do you have to support your hypothesis? Also, again, at what point does someone become a racist? Do they have to hate an entire race of people? Or, does simply seeing something through their view of society make them such? Is every black person who believes OJ actually didn’t kill those people racist? Is every white person who believes he did do it racist?

See, I’m a white guy who works in a high school which is 90% African American and it has been one of the greatest learning opportunities of my life. One thing I have come to learn, in particular, is that often times the views a person has on these hot button issues is more likely based on their environmental history more so than on any feelings of hate toward another group of people. Labeling everyone who sees things like this as “racist assholes” doesn’t further the cause at all. In this light, nearly everyone is a racist asshole.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
–free thinking liberals–[/quote]

I won’t go on a political rant, but I have a theory about many (not all, no) white liberals.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
GuerillaZen wrote:

I believe I used the word typical. As in “on average.” Read into that how you will.

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Mr CountingBeans,

What is your definition of typical / average? Just because someone asks a question about a double standard does not mean they are racists. I was just trying to ask the question. I will admit I am white, but I am trying to understand, which will be hard because I am white, why everything has to be black and white. I ask a question and your first response was not why did you make that statement? Your first response was the typical person that makes that point is usually a racist.

There are racists and that is a fact, but not all typical / average people are racists. We are just individuals going about our day trying to have a good life. We should try to understand each other before we make accusations. You feel one way about the OP’s post and others feel another way.

Is there anything that could make this black and white go away? We need to come up with solutions and not place names on other people.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?

i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.

Things are not that different in the northeast. I am from the South and teach in the northeast and there are plenty of racist attitudes and comments but they are washed over with the belief that because the north won the War between the States, they are not racist.

I am teaching four classes this semester and I heard at least one racist comment give out loud for discussion in each before the third class of the semester.

I have also had students tell me they figured I was racist because I am from the South and were surprised when I did not turn out to be. They may not be racism, but its pretty similar.

Dude, Boston is without a doubt in my mind, one of the most racially ignorant places on the planet. Mainly due to the fact that some many people walk around here pretending to be such free thinking liberals, when in fact they have their heads stuck up their ass.

Reference busing, and ask Bill Russel what he thought about that city.

Man…I must say that I was exposed to some of the most ignorant views and stereotypes of black people(and Texans…lol) when I spent some time up in New England area. I never encountered the same level of bullshit growing up in TX…it was definitely a learning experience. [/quote]

Yeah, it is crazy. This place is straight fucked. I’m honestly amazed at the tension in the room when there is more than one race of people.

Although, to a small degree the hate seems to be shifting towards people of “arabic” and “indian” descent. And specifically where I live, the hate for South East Asians is incredible.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

Is there anything that could make this black and white go away? [/quote]

No.

[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:

You find this based on what? How did you come to this conclusion?[/quote]

Personal experience. And because, being white, I hear what white people say when minorities aren’t around. People assume you think the same way they do based on your skin color.

No, because they express disdain and hate for other races. Whether it be direct or implied. You cannot tell others how to perceive your words or actions.

When they stop seeing people as individuals and judge them, automatically as less, simply on their skin color.

You seem smart man, how you can write the above and not get it baffles me. I’m not talking shit either. I just don’t see how you don’t get it. If someone only sees something as a negative when a particular race does it, and is oblivious to when others do it, there is a disconnect to reality that needs to be addressed. Maybe he is a retart, I don’t know. But sure seems ignorant to me.

Just because he has been conditioned to see the world through those eyes, doesn’t mean he is absolved from reality. Social conditioning is no excuse.

LOL OJ? Seriously?

[quote]See, I’m a white guy who works in a high school which is 90% African American and it has been one of the greatest learning opportunities of my life. One thing I have come to learn, in particular, is that often times the views a person has on these hot button issues is more likely based on their environmental history more so than on any feelings of hate toward another group of people. Labeling everyone who sees things like this as “racist assholes” doesn’t further the cause at all. In this light, nearly everyone is a racist asshole.
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Okay. I mean calling names isn’t going to do a damn bit of good, you are right. But just because someone has been conditioned by their environment to accept ignorance, doesn’t mean it’s right and should be condoned.

But yeah, my environment has lead me to the conclusions I have come to, just like everyone else.

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Professor X wrote:
Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.[/quote]

That’s kind of what I always assumed. Flip it the other way around and look at the results on in-breeding. You’re not going to get a lot of beauty there.

This may or may not be scientifically correct, but when you read profiles of famous models or actresses, they are often of mixed (not necessarily black and white) background. Jessica Alba is French and Mexican, Giselle is German and Brazilian, Christina Aguilera is Irish and Ecuadorian. I’m sure I could look up more but I’m too lazy.

I there anything from a biological perspective that would back this up?

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

What is your definition of typical / average? Just because someone asks a question about a double standard does not mean they are racists. I was just trying to ask the question. [/quote]

I didn’t say you were racist, nor did I intend to imply that.

Right, I stated an observation. Nothing more.

No, but people that are obsessed with the double standard typically are. Not everyone is obsessed with the double standard.

[quote]We are just individuals going about our day trying to have a good life. We should try to understand each other before we make accusations. You feel one way about the OP’s post and others feel another way.

Is there anything that could make this black and white go away? We need to come up with solutions and not place names on other people.[/quote]

I agree. And you would think a black man being elected president would go a long way to help the situation. But so far, it only seems to fuck it up more, and it isn’t even his fault, but other idiots running their mouth.

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
the whole definition of racism is all out of whack to begin with. You are racist when you think another race is sub-human when compared to your own race or other races. To hate someone because of the color of their skin is just that. You dont like them (for “x” reason). This guy isnt racist (in my definition) but just doesnt like black people.

He is entitled to his belief and can like or dislike whoever he wants. The problem is he is a representative of the justice system and therefore his own prejudices should not have any bearing on his job. The man should be fired. [/quote]

Racism isn’t that complicated. It’s just making assumptions based on the race of that person. Putting all people of the same race in the same boat.

For example, you may see an Asian girl and automatically assume she is great at math, which is a common stereotype (and there is a lot of truth to stereotypes, but that is because of their cutltural tendencies, not something as simple as the color of their skin). That is racist, but at the same time definitely not looking down on her. If you think someone is better than you at math, it’s not looking at them as a sub-human in my opinion.

I will chime in and say that I’ve met gorgeous women of all races, but will agree that I rarely see a mixed (or assumed to be mixed) girl that is not at least decent if not gorgeous, too.

Furthermore, I want to put in 2 cents about the whole racism thing. Like someone else said, as long as there are humans there will be racism. It’s human nature to judge a book by its cover, we can’t help it. We can control it and not show it, but at the very least in the back of your head, before you actually get to know someone or talk to them, you are forming an opinion of them based on what they look like. Everyone does it, I can’t wait to hear people come here and lie and say they don’t. There are 2 movie scenes that I can think of as a prime example to this:

When you watched How High for the first time and their friend who was staying on the couch and not talking throught the whole movie finally said something, don’t tell me that at least in the very back of your head, you were surprised when he spoke so clearly and with great articulation.

Second, in The Dark Knight, when the guy who played Debo (the big black, jailbird with tattoos, on the boat near the end of the movie) took the trigger to the bombs on the other boat and threw it out the window. Noone better come on here and lie and say they weren’t shocked when that happened. Everyone in every movie theatre already thought they knew what he was gonna do. He said “give me it to me, I’ll do what you should’ve done already” That was a powerful scene for me, I love scenes like that, because they make you think and help to dispel misguided prejudices. Don’t even get me started on Crash, I recommend every person watch that movie.

I also agree that there is a double standard, but a lot of people overemphasize it. Take it from a white guy who grew up in a black area. I got picked on every day because I was a skinny white boy, so I can relate to minorities, because where I’m from I’m the minority. But instead of letting it bother me, I just got over it. If they want to expose racists in the news then let them, the news is about getting ratings at the end of the day, so they will put out whatever stories they think will get the most people to watch.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
–free thinking liberals–

I won’t go on a political rant, but I have a theory about many (not all, no) white liberals.
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Are you implying some sense of inbred “guilt”?

As far as mixed race women being better looking goes, I once had a conversation about this that was quite interesting. I’ve often noticed that many mixed race girls I’ve seen are very, very attractive. During a conversation someone pointed out that, its not that they are more attractive on average than any other ‘group’ but the ones you notice are more attractive and since they are a very small group you don’t seem them all the time or take notice of them unless they are attractive. Interesting point, I thought.

Another thing is that I’ve heard you will be more attracted to people with DNA that is dissimilar to your own, so logically a mixed girl would be different from you, making her more attractive to you… possibly. Food for thought.

On that I’m dating the 2nd mixed race girl I’ve ever dated right now. They were/are both the most attractive girls I’ve ever dated…

[quote]Sloth wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
–free thinking liberals–

I won’t go on a political rant, but I have a theory about many (not all, no) white liberals.
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I’m curious about this theory…

[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
As far as mixed race women being better looking goes, I once had a conversation about this that was quite interesting. I’ve often noticed that many mixed race girls I’ve seen are very, very attractive. During a conversation someone pointed out that, its not that they are more attractive on average than any other ‘group’ but the ones you notice are more attractive and since they are a very small group you don’t seem them all the time or take notice of them unless they are attractive. Interesting point, I thought.

Another thing is that I’ve heard you will be more attracted to people with DNA that is dissimilar to your own, so logically a mixed girl would be different from you, making her more attractive to you… possibly. Food for thought.

On that I’m dating the 2nd mixed race girl I’ve ever dated right now. They were/are both the most attractive girls I’ve ever dated…[/quote]

There’s a LOT of mixed people in my area (DC, PG County MD), but that is a good point.

Let’s hear it.