Interracial Couple Denied Marriage in LA

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Petermus wrote:
I dont dislike black people, I just hate the stereotypical gangsta attitude…I hate it no matter what color you are or what you look like. If you want to act like a normal person then im very friendly lol[/quote]

What exactly is a “normal person”? If you are judging people that critically by what they wear or basic culture differences, then you may want to check yourself.

For instance, I no doubt look MUCH different on the weekends wearing a tank top, shorts and a ball cap than I do at work in a tie. So please, define in detail the “gangsta attitude” and also how you would know such an attitude exists unless you actually speak to the person.

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[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
Really? You are the moron that equated shooting an animal in the HEAD with sport hunting. And to think I used to respect your opinion.

Quote it, fuckwit.

neelydan thinks anyone, outside of law enforcement, carrying a gun, or into guns, or validating themselves through the carrying of a gun, or shooting a deer in the head, is not fully evolved

You’re praying I don’t respond to this, eh?

Quit while you’re ahead, junior. You’re batting out of your league.

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Are you serious? You asked me to quote you dumbass. So I did.

Really though I was just responding to what I thought was a joke from you to Aragon. You know, light hearted banter. Had I known it was your time of the month I would have let it go.

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Does this mean that Justice of the Peace Bardwell cannot buy the Rams?

jnd

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jahall wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Why are mixed girls some of the finest? As in they can be “fine?” Or, that they are more often “fine?” I hear this alot, but sometimes it comes off as if mixed children are actually being placed above their peers in the looks department.

This question is serious? Why is Jessica Alba fine? Gee, I bet I could give you at least 20 reasons why she is and her race has little to do with it.

X, You’ve really got to learn to let shit like this go man. I think your going to have a heart

attack with all the damn race arguing on this forum. If people choose to be dumb, just fucking

let them man. No amount of e-yelling is going to change anyones opinion, and i think your just

letting stupid people get the best of you.

Sorry fella. But this isn’t a phenomenon of my imagination. In fact, it’s a rather common utterance when interracial relationships are discussed. That interracial children are unommonly good-looking. Anyone pretending they’ve never heard these statements is a liar, or doesn’t get out of the house much. What’s funny about this, is I’m not even disagreeing [Edit: Though I’m not agreeing either, on a personal level.] I’m actually agreeing that there’s seems to be, more often than not, an agreement that mixed children are seen as physically beautiful to a degree worthy of note by a good many people. At least I hear it often enough to arrive at that conclusion.

This is retarded. So if I say that many mixed girls were the finest in the class, you take this as meaning that mixed races ALL end up in genetically enhanced humans as far as beauty?

Gee, do they still make Dunce Caps?

“…mixed races ALL end up…” I neither said this, or claim that anyone else has said this. You’re a very emotional man.

The more correct term is “passionate” and that is very much what you implied by questioning the statement made earlier…as if I was saying that being mixed means you are more prone to be beautiful. I am not sure why you are backstepping now.

Stating that many of the mixed girls I knew were pretty growing up does not equal “mixed girls are more prone to beauty”. You made that connection, no one else.

Either way, the fact still stands that the only people who seem to see all of this race hatred towards mixed people seem to be very outwardly racist themselves.

“Hell, if anything, mixed girls 'were often the finest girls in the class.”

At which point I ASKED, “Why are mixed girls some of the finest? As in they can be “fine?” Or, that they are more often “fine?” I hear this alot, but sometimes it comes off as if mixed children are actually being placed above their peers in the looks department.”

I specifically asked for clarification. This is supported by the fact that I didn’t call you a dunce, a racist, or make any statement about your motivations or personal beliefs. And no, you’re emotional, not passionate.
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Well, it has been “clarified” many times over now. I knew a couple of ugly mixed girls growing up. Satisfied?

I tend to think that genetically, babies more times than not look better than their parents…unless their parents were just ridiculously ugly. I tend to think that is nature’s way of cleaning up rough edges so race itself is not the issue.

If you take two decent looking humans and let them get pregnant, 9 times out of 10, that baby will look like a refined version of the two…at least from what I’ve seen.

I am not sure why this matters to you.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jahall wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Why are mixed girls some of the finest? As in they can be “fine?” Or, that they are more often “fine?” I hear this alot, but sometimes it comes off as if mixed children are actually being placed above their peers in the looks department.

This question is serious? Why is Jessica Alba fine? Gee, I bet I could give you at least 20 reasons why she is and her race has little to do with it.

X, You’ve really got to learn to let shit like this go man. I think your going to have a heart

attack with all the damn race arguing on this forum. If people choose to be dumb, just fucking

let them man. No amount of e-yelling is going to change anyones opinion, and i think your just

letting stupid people get the best of you.

Sorry fella. But this isn’t a phenomenon of my imagination. In fact, it’s a rather common utterance when interracial relationships are discussed. That interracial children are unommonly good-looking. Anyone pretending they’ve never heard these statements is a liar, or doesn’t get out of the house much. What’s funny about this, is I’m not even disagreeing [Edit: Though I’m not agreeing either, on a personal level.] I’m actually agreeing that there’s seems to be, more often than not, an agreement that mixed children are seen as physically beautiful to a degree worthy of note by a good many people. At least I hear it often enough to arrive at that conclusion.

This is retarded. So if I say that many mixed girls were the finest in the class, you take this as meaning that mixed races ALL end up in genetically enhanced humans as far as beauty?

Gee, do they still make Dunce Caps?

“…mixed races ALL end up…” I neither said this, or claim that anyone else has said this. You’re a very emotional man.

The more correct term is “passionate” and that is very much what you implied by questioning the statement made earlier…as if I was saying that being mixed means you are more prone to be beautiful. I am not sure why you are backstepping now.

Stating that many of the mixed girls I knew were pretty growing up does not equal “mixed girls are more prone to beauty”. You made that connection, no one else.

Either way, the fact still stands that the only people who seem to see all of this race hatred towards mixed people seem to be very outwardly racist themselves.

“Hell, if anything, mixed girls 'were often the finest girls in the class.”

At which point I ASKED, “Why are mixed girls some of the finest? As in they can be “fine?” Or, that they are more often “fine?” I hear this alot, but sometimes it comes off as if mixed children are actually being placed above their peers in the looks department.”

I specifically asked for clarification. This is supported by the fact that I didn’t call you a dunce, a racist, or make any statement about your motivations or personal beliefs. I didn’t something you failed to do, converse passionately, yet without all the emotional baggage. And no, you’re emotional, not passionate.
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I actually think there is some merit to the “mixed kids are cuter” idea. I think certain “Mixes” if you will, end up producing very pleasing combos of traits, especially when you get the in-between (mocha?) skin tones with blue/light colored eyes. I think this can be a very attractive combo, maybe more so because it is uncommon. Also like a girl who is a very dark-haired brunette but has very blue eyes. If you’ve ever met a girl like that, you know what I’m talking about (maybe its just me). If she’s attractive at all, that combo pushes her over the edge to special.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I think what this guy did is wrong, so please dont take this the wrong way. What if this was the other way around? A black man not wanting to marry a white man and black woman, or a black man and white woman, take your pick. Would this even be reported on? Racism goes both ways. We only hear about the racism that the white man perpitrates. [/quote]

It most certainly would be reported if a black man were to refuse to marry an interracial couple. It’d probably be even bigger news.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
dmaddox wrote:
I think what this guy did is wrong, so please dont take this the wrong way. What if this was the other way around? A black man not wanting to marry a white man and black woman, or a black man and white woman, take your pick. Would this even be reported on? Racism goes both ways. We only hear about the racism that the white man perpitrates.

I find that the typical people with this attitude are, in fact, racist individuals that are bitter their point of view is no longer socially acceptable.

Thank god for the internet, else they may have to take an honest look at their opinions of themselves and others.

I have to agree. Those types are usually the first to cry that ONLY white people get blamed for racism…as if there is no basis for any racist claims or as if any outright truly socially harmful racist attempts by blacks would be completely ignored.

LOL, I am not sure what world these people live in, but my guess is, FOX news (at the expense of any other view points) plays a very heavy hand in it.

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These opinions are perplexing to me. I agree that sometimes people get carried away with this, but denying there is a double standard when racist issues like this is just as ignorant as believing there is no more racism. It is absolutely ridiculous to A) pretend like you know the motivations behind someone’s opinion when you have never actually met the person and B) to assume that all of the millions of people who possess a certain opinion on a given topic must all have the exact same motivation for believing the way they do. This is exactly the same ridiculous argument made by countingbeans in the funny things black people do thread. I didn’t participate in that discussion, but I do remember countingbeans repeatedly pretending to understand and know exactly what a couple of people’s motivations were based on a few internet posts. It takes a special kind of person to argue a point that I agree with, but still come off looking like the fool in my eyes, bravo on that one kid. It is both arrogant and ignorant to pretend to understand the motivations of millions of people based on one common opinion. Disagree with their point, fine, then refute it. However, when you start assigning intent to people that isn’t there and start throwing around terms like “racist” for everyone who disagrees with your opinion it only proves that you do not have the intellectual capacity to combat their argument intelligently.

Obviously, there are plenty of examples where African American racists are called to the carpet, but the Reverend Wright issue was only brought to the forefront because the man was the pastor of a Presidential Candidate and in that situation NOTHING is going to be let go. But denying that the backlash is not nearly as severe for African Americans who make racist remarks or engage in racist activities is a little disingenious. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are held up as heroes, despite being pretty much openly racist. I hate Rush Limbaugh, but you cannot tell me that there would have been an issue if Sharpton or Jackson were trying to buy an NFL team. However, when it is a white conservative, people not only question things he has said, but actually make up false quotes to assign to the man (see Stltoday.com Bryan Burwell). How about Charles Barkley? In my neck of the woods, not long ago three African American high school students kicked the shit out of a white kid with Autism on the school bus (he was one of the only white kids on the bus) and were expelled. All of the backlash was about how the boys who were expelled were treated unfairly.

Now, I firmly believe that if the races were reversed in the situation and three white kids had beaten a developmentally disabled African American that they would not only have been expelled, but charged with a hate crime. So, based on that, are you going to call me a racist and start assigning values to my opinion which were neither stated nor implied? Are you going to call me racist based on that? If so, you’d be off base. I hang way to the left of the political spectrum and am probably one of the most accepting and liberal people you would ever meet. Perhaps, my opinion on the appropriate punsihment for this action is skewed dramatically because I am a Special Education teacher. I admit my bias is this regard.

Racism obviously exists. But there is also an obvious double standard regarding this issue and pretending that it does not exist is foolish. Take off your blinders, and realize that race is probably the one issue that most defines our country up to this point in history. If we do not move past it, criticize it regardless of the perpetrator - then we will NEVER truly be free of it. Simply shifting the society from one extreme to the other might make the problem less visible, but it will not remove it. If you want to base your argument around the fact that historically African American racism hasn’t been as destructive as white racism and that has contributed to a justifiable double standard then I might find some validity to your points. But if your point simply is that the double standard does not exist and that anyone who believes there is a double standard must be racist then you’re pretty much making the same broad generalizations about a huge group of diverse people and thinkers simply based on one common opinion and the value that YOU, not THEY have assigned to it. Thus, it is pretty hard to distinguish this type of thinking from that of racists.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, it has been “clarified” many times over now. I knew a couple of ugly mixed girls growing up. Satisfied?

I tend to think that genetically, babies more times than not look better than their parents…unless their parents were just ridiculously ugly. I tend to think that is nature’s way of cleaning up rough edges so race itself is not the issue.

If you take two decent looking humans and let them get pregnant, 9 times out of 10, that baby will look like a refined version of the two…at least from what I’ve seen.

I am not sure why this matters to you.[/quote]

you beat me to the first point. blanket statements are false any way you put it… saying “all mixed girls are gorgeous” is like saying “all mixed girls are ugly”.

and i think this refinement you’re seeing is youth lol.

also:

[quote]ALKoHoLiK wrote:
Sure sign of a racist, “I have <color, race,ethnicity> friends”[/quote]
is cringe-worthy. i’d add to that list.

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[quote]grettiron wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Well, it has been “clarified” many times over now. I knew a couple of ugly mixed girls growing up. Satisfied?

I tend to think that genetically, babies more times than not look better than their parents…unless their parents were just ridiculously ugly. I tend to think that is nature’s way of cleaning up rough edges so race itself is not the issue.

If you take two decent looking humans and let them get pregnant, 9 times out of 10, that baby will look like a refined version of the two…at least from what I’ve seen.

I am not sure why this matters to you.

you beat me to the first point. blanket statements are false any way you put it… saying “all mixed girls are gorgeous” is like saying “all mixed girls are ugly”.

and i think this refinement you’re seeing is youth lol.
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Maybe, but I fucked up by saying “babies”. Growing up, most kids/people tended to look “better” than their parents. Look at Angelina Jolie.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I tend to think that genetically, babies more times than not look better than their parents…unless their parents were just ridiculously ugly. I tend to think that is nature’s way of cleaning up rough edges so race itself is not the issue.

If you take two decent looking humans and let them get pregnant, 9 times out of 10, that baby will look like a refined version of the two…at least from what I’ve seen.

I am not sure why this matters to you.[/quote]

Let me make something clear to you. Even if you were to find (and I’m not saying you do, and accept that you don’t) interracial girls to be MORE OFTEN (not always) the finest, I still wouldn’t have claimed this was racist. I feel like there’s an assumption that I would’ve claimed this.

Though, I do note the aggravation it causes a number of white (less likely since interracial relationships are still a bit lopsided between the genders) or black women, who wouldn’t be mistaken as “mixed.” But their aggravation doesn’t cause a preference to be racist, or reverse racist. Not anymore than there preference for dating within their race. I find none of this anymore racist than the guys floored by half asians. Or, for that matter, non-italians and non-brazilians who are floored by “pure” italian or brazilian women.

But, specifically, there is some controversy, which isn’t of my making, about black-white children being exceptionally beautiful. It’s not my opinion, but neither does it bother me that others might truly think they are.

It matter to me because I’m inquisitive about social interactions and beliefs.

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Trust me folks, racism is alive and well in the deep south. Thank God I’m not from Louisiana at least.

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[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
I think this can be a very attractive combo, maybe more so because it is uncommon. [/quote]

And that’s a great answer. I personally don’t care if a man has a preference (not talking absolutes though) for mixed women (or a specific combination of physical attributes more commonly found among mixed women), a woman of another race/ethnicity, or members of their own race. I saw a chance to ask for some clarification. One answer wouldn’t have lead to much discussion, but another would’ve perhaps lead to a discussion with some meat to it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Maybe, but I fucked up by saying “babies”. Growing up, most kids/people tended to look “better” than their parents. Look at Angelina Jolie.[/quote]

Then why are there still so many uglies out there?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I tend to think that genetically, babies more times than not look better than their parents…unless their parents were just ridiculously ugly. I tend to think that is nature’s way of cleaning up rough edges so race itself is not the issue.

If you take two decent looking humans and let them get pregnant, 9 times out of 10, that baby will look like a refined version of the two…at least from what I’ve seen.

I am not sure why this matters to you.

Let me make something clear to you. Even if you were to find (and I’m not saying you do, and accept that you don’t) interracial girls to be MORE OFTEN (not always) the finest, I still wouldn’t have claimed this was racist. I feel like there’s an assumption that I would’ve claimed this.

Though, I do note the aggravation it causes a number of white (less likely since interracial relationships are still a bit lopsided between the genders) or black women, who wouldn’t be mistaken as “mixed.” But their aggravation doesn’t cause a preference to be racist, or reverse racist. Not anymore than there preference for dating within their race. I find none of this anymore racist than the guys floored by half asians. Or, for that matter, non-italians and non-brazilians who are floored by “pure” italian or brazilian women.

But, specifically, there is some controversy, which isn’t of my making, about black-white children being exceptionally beautiful. It’s not my opinion, but neither does it bother me that others might truly think they are.

It matter to me because I’m inquisitive about social interactions and beliefs. [/quote]

I actually already touched on this. If someone were to ask why Hale Berry is beautiful to me, my answer would not involve her mixed race background AT ALL. Why? Because it doesn’t matter. What is beautiful about her, while possibly due to so many different ethnic backgrounds coming together and making such a wonderful ass, is not because of race but because of how all of those features look together.

I would guess that if a girl walked past who had green eyes, a booty like J-Lo, and long hair with a skin tone like mocha ice cream, not one dude here is going to truly give a shit how many races came together to create her…unless they are some idiotic racist who makes life judgments based on such issues.

For the record, this fictional woman could equally be all black.

There are traits of beauty and much of what we find beautiful is culturally influenced…one more reason Barbie catches so much hell because she stands as a symbol of ultimate beauty even though so few women look anything like that.

Most people find an even skin tone to be attractive. - I have known one VERY DARK cheerleader in college who had the most perfect skin tone I have ever seen. It was like silk.

Most people find lighter colored eyes to be attractive or different - again not related to any one race.

Anyone narrowing all of this down to say that it simply relates to “mixed races” is missing the point.

Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Maybe, but I fucked up by saying “babies”. Growing up, most kids/people tended to look “better” than their parents. Look at Angelina Jolie.

Then why are there still so many uglies out there? [/quote]

Have you seen their parents?

Maybe it gets worse the further up the family tree.

Some people just fell out the tree and hit every ugly branch on the way down.

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[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Trust me folks, racism is alive and well in the deep south. Thank God I’m not from Louisiana at least.[/quote]

Racism is alive wherever human beings continue to exist. It’s not something that will ever die. And before impugning the south, I’d say the north has it’s share of self-segregation. Though I won’t say this always the result of racism.

Edit: Basically, I don’t think it’s as easy saying the “south.”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.[/quote]

Which leads to asking if there isn’t some biological imperative to do just that. Which might explain preferences for mixed women. I accept your answer, taking your word, that this wasn’t what you meant. Never said I wouldn’t.

But I have heard a great many (from a number of races) comment on the beauty of interracial children and adults. While we’ve clashed in the past, I wasn’t aiming to skewer you, whichever way your answer (or the answer of others) fell. It’s just that your comment did sound ambiguous enough to me to raise the question, and possibly a conversation. In the end, you might find this unbelievable, but I think your comment, the quote above, has much merit. Not saying it’s a scientific fact. But, it makes sense from a biological view.

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[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:

These opinions are perplexing to me. I agree that sometimes people get carried away with this, but denying there is a double standard when racist issues like this is just as ignorant as believing there is no more racism. [/quote]

I believe I used the word typical. As in “on average.” Read into that how you will.

Again, the word typical was used above. Is everyone the same? No. But from what I find, those white people that are butt hurt to the point to constantly stomp their proverbial feet and cry and whine about a double standard, by and large, are just bitter they can express their true feelings in a public setting.

Is everyone that points out a double standard like that? No. But TYPICALLY, in my experience, the people that like to bring it up as a defense to any situation that involves race are racist themselves. It is just like the saying that those that are first to point the finger are often guilty themselves.

LOL. I don’t even remember the specifics of that thread, but I’m glad you remember my views so succinctly. From what I remember my point was that people that are going to say that behavior is exclusive to blacks, or in any way dependent upon skin color, is ignorant and obviously ignores when people of other races do it. You can’t for one second take the behavior of one individual and extrapolate that across an entire race of people and expect people to NOT think your an ignorant fuck.

LOL. I’ll be sure to work on giving a fuck about your opinion of me.

Again, in this thread I said “I find” and “typical”. You may want to look up what those words before you try and put words in my mouth.

And you are also doing to me now, with your “evaluation” the same thing you are bitching and accusing me of. Think about it kid. You aren’t any different than me. Does that bother you?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Maybe one could say that mixing races increases the diversity of the gene pool creating a more phenotypically well rounded individual.

Which leads to asking if there isn’t some biological imperative to do just that. Which might explain preferences for mixed women. I accept your answer, taking your word, that this wasn’t what you meant. Never said I wouldn’t.

But I have heard a great many (from a number of races) comment on the beauty of interracial children and adults. While we’ve clashed in the past. I wasn’t aiming to skewer you, whichever way your answer (or the answer of others) fell. It’s just that your comment did sound ambiguous enough to me, to raise the question and possibly a conversation. In the end, you might find this unbelievable, but I think your comment, the quote above, has much merit. And even has some academic and scientific merit. Not saying it’s a scientific fact. But, it makes sense from a biological view.[/quote]

Our only hops as a species long term would be to eventually get rid of racial differences by physically mixing all races until the distinction no longer holds merit. I doubt it will happen before we kill ourselves off, but it seems to be the way the world could eventually go if we survived long enough.

Bottom line, I know what I am attracted to and I also know that it has much to do with my own surroundings. I grew up initially around mostly white kids (in school) even though I actually lived in a predominantly black neighborhood. Therefore, what I was initially attracted to in women was other white girls because that was almost all of what I was exposed to outside of my own family. That preference changed once I found myself around a larger racial mix of people in high school.

While not completely on topic, this is why it is very important for children to be exposed to differences in culture and race so that exclusionary preferences are avoided. This is also why that new Black Barbie doll is so important. If minorities saw no public representations of similar people held as symbols of beauty, they end up like that late 70’s study where the kids were asked which doll was “bad”, the black or white doll.

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[quote]grettiron wrote:
maybe things are different in the northeast?

i don’t agree with it. i think he’s stuck in the past.[/quote]

Things are not that different in the northeast. I am from the South and teach in the northeast and there are plenty of racist attitudes and comments but they are washed over with the belief that because the north won the War between the States, they are not racist.

I am teaching four classes this semester and I heard at least one racist comment give out loud for discussion in each before the third class of the semester.

I have also had students tell me they figured I was racist because I am from the South and were surprised when I did not turn out to be. They may not be racism, but its pretty similar.