The most confusion comes from over-training getting confused with over-reaching. Over-reaching and pounding yourself into the ground to earn a deload week is where the best adaptation responses come from. Over-training does exist but no weekend warrior and most of the population should ever concern themselves with this.
The best is that your body can only absorb 30 grams of protein per meal and that protein is bad for your kidneys blah blah blah.
And people being concerned with their genetic ceiling while probably being nowhere near it, which is probably most.
That there’s no calories in calorie free cooking spray.
[quote]DoingWork421 wrote:
Not really an internet myth per se, but I’ve always wondered about Lonnie Lowrey (whom I trust implicitly) saying that he believes a person can build gigantic legs with between 300 and 400 pounds on squat. Also, and relatedly, that legs are a more “genetically determined” bodypart aesthetically than others.[/quote]
Most drug free people who squat 400 pounds for reps do not have skinny legs. My legs were already developed using 225 for high reps so maybe he has a point about genetic determination. I actually believe this. I am NOT a braggart at all and admit my ordinariness in the genetics department but my legs have good shape despite not trying so hard or doing anything unique. My mom, aunt, grandfather, and great uncle all have similarly shaped legs and all besides my aunt didn’t do anything for them. My granddad, even when he was fat and up until his sixties had thighs better than some young men.
He is also probably talking about dealing with those weights for relatively high reps with controlled tempos.
[quote]DoingWork421 wrote:
Not really an internet myth per se, but I’ve always wondered about Lonnie Lowrey (whom I trust implicitly) saying that he believes a person can build gigantic legs with between 300 and 400 pounds on squat. Also, and relatedly, that legs are a more “genetically determined” bodypart aesthetically than others.[/quote]
Most drug free people who squat 400 pounds for reps do not have skinny legs. My legs were already developed using 225 for high reps so maybe he has a point about genetic determination. I actually believe this. I am NOT a braggart at all and admit my ordinariness in the genetics department but my legs have good shape despite not trying so hard or doing anything unique. My mom, aunt, grandfather, and great uncle all have similarly shaped legs and all besides my aunt didn’t do anything for them. My granddad, even when he was fat and up until his sixties had thighs better than some young men.
He is also probably talking about dealing with those weights for relatively high reps with controlled tempos. [/quote]
I agree with this, but also want to point out that ‘big legs’ is a relative term. Brian Whitacre is my go-to guy when discussing anything dealing with strength and size, because you can find a good number of trainers who move big #s in the squat, but their legs won’t come close to Brian’s, and he’s always the first to stress that he’s not a “really strong guy” (relative of course!)
While I personally believe that genetics will always play a part in any discussion of physique development, my own experience has been that while I was able to make decent gains with my quads (not a strength of my physique) while competing, the actual shape was something I just couldn’t for the life of me affect. Some people will naturally display amazing sweeps even before they’ve built a good amount of size. I just wasn’t one of them -lol. My quads always had a blocky/oblong shape to them. Just the luck of the draw I suppose.
Information cycles. Today’s crap is tomorrows secret routine or approach once it is tweaked a little and renamed.
If advice is prefaced with “what ya gotta do” it is most likely something that is the flavor of the day for the mouth from which it spewed.
If someone offers advice and knows nothing of what you are currently doing or how you are doing it or for how long, it is questionable at best.
[quote]lemony2j wrote:
“Don’t spend longer than an hour in the gym”
Rubbish, at least for me. But then different strokes for different folks.[/quote]
Agreed 100%. If it works for you, great. But don’t screw around with the quality of your workout to keep it within an arbitrary time window.
Myth: your diet has to be perfect. Even 70% good gets me good results. I think a lot of beginners would make better gains if they focused less on eating cleaner and more on eating more.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Information cycles. Today’s crap is tomorrows secret routine or approach once it is tweaked a little and renamed.
If advice is prefaced with “what ya gotta do” it is most likely something that is the flavor of the day for the mouth from which it spewed.
If someone offers advice and knows nothing of what you are currently doing or how you are doing it or for how long, it is questionable at best.
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Bouncing off this, focusing and fussing over those little things that provide only 10-20% of your results while the big things suffer.
I know intraworkout nutrition is all the rage, but I’m a prime example that it doesn’t mean shit if you haven’t gotten everything else in order.
Looks back at the nearly wasted 10 years of my training life with disgust
[quote]A-rod wrote:
Surprised no on mentioned the whole abstaining from cardio because its gonna cut into the gainz by using calories that could be used for muscle building.[/quote]
This happens to me. Even 30 minutes light walking EOD somehow hinders my weight gain. Not stops it entirely, but cuts off a decent 30-40%. [/quote]
[quote]lemony2j wrote:
“Don’t spend longer than an hour in the gym”
Rubbish, at least for me. But then different strokes for different folks.[/quote]
Agreed 100%. If it works for you, great. But don’t screw around with the quality of your workout to keep it within an arbitrary time window.
Myth: your diet has to be perfect. Even 70% good gets me good results. I think a lot of beginners would make better gains if they focused less on eating cleaner and more on eating more.[/quote]
This would have saved me alot of time in the beginning. People would tell me to eat starchy stuff such as pasta and I thought they wanted to give me the diabeetus.
[quote]DoingWork421 wrote:
Not really an internet myth per se, but I’ve always wondered about Lonnie Lowrey (whom I trust implicitly) saying that he believes a person can build gigantic legs with between 300 and 400 pounds on squat. Also, and relatedly, that legs are a more “genetically determined” bodypart aesthetically than others.[/quote]
Most drug free people who squat 400 pounds for reps do not have skinny legs. My legs were already developed using 225 for high reps so maybe he has a point about genetic determination. I actually believe this. I am NOT a braggart at all and admit my ordinariness in the genetics department but my legs have good shape despite not trying so hard or doing anything unique. My mom, aunt, grandfather, and great uncle all have similarly shaped legs and all besides my aunt didn’t do anything for them. My granddad, even when he was fat and up until his sixties had thighs better than some young men.
He is also probably talking about dealing with those weights for relatively high reps with controlled tempos. [/quote]
I’ve never seen someone squat 400 oly style with a controlled rep speed for 10+reps in person. I feel like if someone did that even at the better gyms I’ve trained at people would be stopping in their tracks to watch.
-Letting the knee pass the toe when squatting blows the knee.
Untrue! all the weightlifter squat ass to grass and the knee travels far with very low injury rate
-You can’t add muscle mass and reduce fat at the same time
I do it all the time
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I’ve never seen someone squat 400 oly style with a controlled rep speed for 10+reps in person. I feel like if someone did that even at the better gyms I’ve trained at people would be stopping in their tracks to watch.[/quote]
I don’t know about oly style; but I’ve known at least a dozen men that could take 400+ for ride. I was 46 when this video was taken.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I’ve never seen someone squat 400 oly style with a controlled rep speed for 10+reps in person. I feel like if someone did that even at the better gyms I’ve trained at people would be stopping in their tracks to watch.[/quote]
I don’t know about oly style; but I’ve known at least a dozen men that could take 400+ for ride. I was 46 when this video was taken.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I’ve never seen someone squat 400 oly style with a controlled rep speed for 10+reps in person. I feel like if someone did that even at the better gyms I’ve trained at people would be stopping in their tracks to watch.[/quote]
I don’t know about oly style; but I’ve known at least a dozen men that could take 400+ for ride. I was 46 when this video was taken.
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First, challenge accepted! [Edit: leg day tomorrow, will see if I can learn how to use my Iphone to tape a lift and actually get a decent angle.]
Second, what does (did) your calf work look like?
Edit 2: Blue Collar, what was the weight point at which you stopped doing 10+ reps on squat? Is there one? I’m thinking mostly along the “not good on the joints long-term” kind of concerns.
[quote]DoingWork421 wrote:
First, challenge accepted! [Edit: leg day tomorrow, will see if I can learn how to use my Iphone to tape a lift and actually get a decent angle.]
Second, what does (did) your calf work look like?
Edit 2: Blue Collar, what was the weight point at which you stopped doing 10+ reps on squat? Is there one? I’m thinking mostly along the “not good on the joints long-term” kind of concerns.
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Challange: That set was followed by 320x20…the full clip in on my youtube page. Best Of Luck!
I usually do calves 2-3 times a week. At least one session is seated, the others are standing or on the leg press. I do both high rep (up to 150 per set)and heavy ‘peak contraction/DC’ style. I have recently started some single leg sets after years of only bilateral work.
I started lifting at 160 lbs(1986) and was 208 in that video. The heaviest I’ve ever weighed was 230-235(in my mid-late thirties). Currently I winter between 215-220 and lean down to around 200 for the summer. I never noticed problems with the weight gain/loss; however age is a different. I currently squat everyother week. Within the last year I’ve had 500x2, 460x6, 410x12, 320x20, 210x40. When I get all the rust knocked off and oil up all the moving parts I’m able to do some damage. I sure appreciate a great day more than I used to!
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
I’ve never seen someone squat 400 oly style with a controlled rep speed for 10+reps in person. I feel like if someone did that even at the better gyms I’ve trained at people would be stopping in their tracks to watch.[/quote]
I don’t know about oly style; but I’ve known at least a dozen men that could take 400+ for ride. I was 46 when this video was taken.
I started lifting at 160 lbs(1986) and was 208 in that video. The heaviest I’ve ever weighed was 230-235(in my mid-late thirties). Currently I winter between 215-220 and lean down to around 200 for the summer. I never noticed problems with the weight gain/loss; however age is a different. I currently squat everyother week. Within the last year I’ve had 500x2, 460x6, 410x12, 320x20, 210x40. When I get all the rust knocked off and oil up all the moving parts I’m able to do some damage. I sure appreciate a great day more than I used to! [/quote]
Do you have a view as to how weight increase affects hypertrophy after a certain limit? I’ve always thought the “300-400 pounds” remark Dr. Lowrey made was interesting because it suggested that leg hypertrophy becomes a much more volume/scarcoplasmic hypertrophy (if that’s the right term) game than one of hypertrophy due to loading. Reinforces the importance of TUT for leg development.
I’ll give it a shot tomorrow morning, but it may take a little while. This past week I went 365x20 then 395x12, but that’s a ways off from 405x15. I’ll have to see where I’m at. At any rate, I’ve been looking for a new challenge, so it’ll be fun.
[quote]Justliftbrah wrote:
1gram per lb of body weight protein intake?
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Not a myth, but a good recommendation that has been shown to work.
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Squat increase testosterone? [/quote]
They do, but the increase is so transient and negligible that it’s not even worth mentioning.
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Overtraining doesn’t exist?[/quote]
Yes, a myth, a ridiculous one. People have overtrained. Then we’ll get the whole “yes, but REAL overtraining takes so much damage over so much time that most will never experience it.”
Well, people have experienced it, as well as experienced “accumulation of fatigue”. I like the term overtrained whether it fits or not. If I do too much volume with too much intensity for too long, I will feel like shit, which is what I call overtraining.
Overtraining=feeling like shit from doing too much or pushing things too hard for too long. [/quote]
I couldn’t have said it better Brick. If you are TRAINING OVER your ability to fully recover from work out to work out, then you are by definition, overtraining.
[quote]A-rod wrote:
Surprised no on mentioned the whole abstaining from cardio because its gonna cut into the gainz by using calories that could be used for muscle building.[/quote]
This happens to me. Even 30 minutes light walking EOD somehow hinders my weight gain. Not stops it entirely, but cuts off a decent 30-40%. [/quote]
Say whaaat?[/quote]
X2
How could someone even be able to discern this from only 30 minutes of walking every other day?
I say that’s all in your head.
