Ladies and gentlemen,
This is OLD information that is readily available BUT, bears repeating…
Don’t fool around with insulin without the proper intake of carbs/protein to support it.
I know, I know, old info, I just feel the need to share my personal experience;
I’ve heard many people say I never get hypo with slin, blah, blah…
I took 5 iu yesterday, ate a 50 gram protein shake and 50 grams carbs with oats and apple juice, no problem, one hour later I didn’t have my second feeding prepared and I felt fine.
So, I took my sweet time in getting something together to eat. Well, let me inform you who haven’t played with this yet, that in LESS THAN 5 MINUTES, I went from feeling perfectly fine to almost calling for an ambulance! I was shaking UNCONTROLLABLY, sweating and very sick!
I was yelling at my wife to get me something, anything with sugar in me! Luckily, all turned out fine, I ate 1/2 lb salmon with 2 glasses apple juice and a bagel and it took a 1/2 hour to feel better. Not to mention that I had to FORCE the food down as I felt so damn sick!
I admit it plainly, I probably deserved what I got, A GOOD SCARE! I took it lightly and it bit me in the ass. I have today’s meals laid out and already prepared, I have oats soaked in apple juice at the ready ( Thanks BBB), The whole point to this longwinded post is for everyone to heed the advice of the vets and be careful, this stuff is VERY STRONG INDEED!
LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF ARSEHOLES LIKE MYSELF! P.S. I am embarrassed to admit that I let this happen to myself even with all of the expert advice given here, but I figure that if I can prevent someone else from hurting themselves by hearing my horror story then I should humble myself and share it.
Thanks rrj,
I feel awesome and am taking another shot in about 1/2 hour, but this time I’m WELL prepared! As I mentioned, I am TRULY embarrassed by my stupid actions. I just hope that by sharing them, I can prevent someone else from hurting themselves.
I’m very happy to hear that you are okay, Tim. Less experienced guys should appreciate your humility. Most people would not have had the balls to admit something like this, but you may well save someone’s life with this post.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’m very happy to hear that you are okay, Tim. Less experienced guys should appreciate your humility. Most people would not have had the balls to admit something like this, but you may well save someone’s life with this post.
Take care of yourself.[/quote]
Cortes,
Thanks brother I appreciate the kind words and I DO hope it helps others!
You know I hear about (and see at work) people going down from being hypo often. There is no excuse for it. If people choose to use insulin than they need to be prepared and wise up. Ever heard of a GLUCOMETER? Ever heard of glucose tablets? Salmon, Protein, Coca cola, Snickers bars, Apple juice, Bagels??? This is not what you eat when you have low BS.
If you shoot insulin use a meter to know where your BS is and where it’s going. If you’re BS is low, you eat GLUCOSE, not fructose, not anything with fat, etc. A cheap tube of tablets from any store. Glucose tabs are low calorie, have no fat and raise BS as quick as possible. I am a type 1 diabetic and have never gone down because I think ahead. Reckless, ignorant people give responsible diabetics a bad name. It sounds like you’re not ready for insulin
[quote]tiggersdesire wrote:
You know I hear about (and see at work) people going down from being hypo often. There is no excuse for it. If people choose to use insulin than they need to be prepared and wise up. Ever heard of a GLUCOMETER? Ever heard of glucose tablets? Salmon, Protein, Coca cola, Snickers bars, Apple juice, Bagels??? This is not what you eat when you have low BS. If you shoot insulin use a meter to know where your BS is and where it’s going. If you’re BS is low, you eat GLUCOSE, not fructose, not anything with fat, etc. A cheap tube of tablets from any store. Glucose tabs are low calorie, have no fat and raise BS as quick as possible. I am a type 1 diabetic and have never gone down because I think ahead. Reckless, ignorant people give responsible diabetics a bad name. It sounds like you’re not ready for insulin [/quote]
[quote]tiggersdesire wrote:
You know I hear about (and see at work) people going down from being hypo often. There is no excuse for it. If people choose to use insulin than they need to be prepared and wise up. Ever heard of a GLUCOMETER? Ever heard of glucose tablets? Salmon, Protein, Coca cola, Snickers bars, Apple juice, Bagels??? This is not what you eat when you have low BS. If you shoot insulin use a meter to know where your BS is and where it’s going. If you’re BS is low, you eat GLUCOSE, not fructose, not anything with fat, etc. A cheap tube of tablets from any store. Glucose tabs are low calorie, have no fat and raise BS as quick as possible. I am a type 1 diabetic and have never gone down because I think ahead. Reckless, ignorant people give responsible diabetics a bad name. It sounds like you’re not ready for insulin [/quote]
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Why, thank you for understanding what my post was intended to do AND for bashing me for being honest and sharing a potentially lethal experience with my brothers and sisters at T-Nation.
I won’t bother explaining myself to you for the simple reason that what I would have to say would be counter-productive to my post and this thread. I wish you well and have a nice day!
good honest information there…it has happened to alot of guys…most just won;t openly admit it. You are doign a service by telling poeple that this is nothing to screw around with. That is why i rarely if ever advise anyone on it. You CAN NOT take your meal timing lightly…also always start low 2ius or so and work your way up.
Truthfully i have never had an issue but i pretty much continually take in nutrients during the entire “window of opportunity” after all…that is the whole point. one other thing…i DO NOT beleive anyone should take insulin intramuscularly…it becomes way too unpredictable. You can get the charts on peak timing from teh lilly website…but remember this in in realtion to sub-q shots, if you are shooting intramuscular you really have no idea how it is going to react. I say all this because i know some people are doing this and thinking they have it all figured out…it only takes once.
[quote]tiggersdesire wrote:
You know I hear about (and see at work) people going down from being hypo often. There is no excuse for it. If people choose to use insulin than they need to be prepared and wise up. Ever heard of a GLUCOMETER? Ever heard of glucose tablets? Salmon, Protein, Coca cola, Snickers bars, Apple juice, Bagels??? This is not what you eat when you have low BS.
If you shoot insulin use a meter to know where your BS is and where it’s going. If you’re BS is low, you eat GLUCOSE, not fructose, not anything with fat, etc. A cheap tube of tablets from any store. Glucose tabs are low calorie, have no fat and raise BS as quick as possible. I am a type 1 diabetic and have never gone down because I think ahead. Reckless, ignorant people give responsible diabetics a bad name. It sounds like you’re not ready for insulin [/quote]
I’m sure you could have come up with a better way to get your point across in response to a post such as Tim’s. He’s not here bragging about his experience, okay?
Just a question here from a lowly newb…forgive the derail, but;
What is the fascination with insulin?
I mean, I understand the appeal of AAS/GH and such, I more or less “get” why guys do all three (synergy & all that) but…it just seems INCREDIBLY dangerous. What sort of tangible benefits in muscular bodyweight are talking here (let’s say over a period of time, training and drug use being ideal) to warrant something that at (to my admittedly undereducated self) looks like a surefire ticket to diabetes or the mortuary if you fuck up?
If it can take a 200 lb wannabe to a 300 pound ripped monster in a few weeks or months, then sure. You’re already committed your health, might as well bet the farm. But if it’s just something to hold it all together over time…why bother?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I agree with MP in that insulin should always be taken SubQ, NOT IM. Ignore me at your peril. I have done IM insulin before and thinking I had it under control, I shot 8iu PWO (back in the days before I figured out that PWO is too late, lol) had my PWO drink and got in the shower. I finished my shower by having a blast on cold water, just like I always do.
BIG mistake. The muscle contraction/flushing action of the cold water caused my IM shot to become almost intravenous in nature. Certainly it made uptake a LOT faster and peak level higher. I hadn’t even finished drying myself when the hypo hit. I bolted downstairs and scarfed whatever I could find into me (much like a G6 feeding frenzy, lol). Then I got the missus to drive us to Pizza Hut, stopping at a garage on the way, to consume 2 chocolate bars.
Anyway, I learnt from my mistake which is all that matters, lol.
So these days if I use insulin it is pre-training only, since I want to create the most anabolic environment possible.
BBB[/quote]
OK, I inject my 5 iu, take my protein shake along with oats and apple juice and hit the weights when? Immediately? What about the second meal, if I workout for over an hour? Do the slow digesting oats cover that?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I agree with MP in that insulin should always be taken SubQ, NOT IM. Ignore me at your peril. I have done IM insulin before and thinking I had it under control, I shot 8iu PWO (back in the days before I figured out that PWO is too late, lol) had my PWO drink and got in the shower. I finished my shower by having a blast on cold water, just like I always do.
BIG mistake. The muscle contraction/flushing action of the cold water caused my IM shot to become almost intravenous in nature. Certainly it made uptake a LOT faster and peak level higher. I hadn’t even finished drying myself when the hypo hit. I bolted downstairs and scarfed whatever I could find into me (much like a G6 feeding frenzy, lol). Then I got the missus to drive us to Pizza Hut, stopping at a garage on the way, to consume 2 chocolate bars.
Anyway, I learnt from my mistake which is all that matters, lol.
So these days if I use insulin it is pre-training only, since I want to create the most anabolic environment possible.
BBB[/quote]
OK, I inject my 5 iu, take my protein shake along with oats and apple juice and hit the weights when? Immediately? What about the second meal, if I workout for over an hour? Do the slow digesting oats cover that?[/quote]
Aren’t you drinking some kind of nutrition while you are training?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I agree with MP in that insulin should always be taken SubQ, NOT IM. Ignore me at your peril. I have done IM insulin before and thinking I had it under control, I shot 8iu PWO (back in the days before I figured out that PWO is too late, lol) had my PWO drink and got in the shower. I finished my shower by having a blast on cold water, just like I always do.
BIG mistake. The muscle contraction/flushing action of the cold water caused my IM shot to become almost intravenous in nature. Certainly it made uptake a LOT faster and peak level higher. I hadn’t even finished drying myself when the hypo hit. I bolted downstairs and scarfed whatever I could find into me (much like a G6 feeding frenzy, lol). Then I got the missus to drive us to Pizza Hut, stopping at a garage on the way, to consume 2 chocolate bars.
Anyway, I learnt from my mistake which is all that matters, lol.
So these days if I use insulin it is pre-training only, since I want to create the most anabolic environment possible.
BBB[/quote]
OK, I inject my 5 iu, take my protein shake along with oats and apple juice and hit the weights when? Immediately? What about the second meal, if I workout for over an hour? Do the slow digesting oats cover that?[/quote]
u should be injesting nutrients the entire time, drinking protein non stop during the workout, the way i did it was…shake before, shake during, shake after … meal after that … pretty much non stop nutrient intake the entire time the insulin is active. Do not drink a shake then go to the gym on insulin with nothing but water…BAD BAD idea also if you atarted out of the gate on 5 iu’s that was a mistake…lower to two ius. every time i ever took humalog i always used concurrently with GH. even with that i always saw it as 4 hours of non stop nutrient intake, i think anyone that tries to time the peaks and hit a meal every hour or whatever is kidding themselves and asking for trouble. AGAIN I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE USE INSULIN FOR BB PURPOSES…TOO MANY THINGS CAN GO WRONG.