Insulin, Be VERY Careful!

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[quote]morepain wrote:

[quote]timhlbrk wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I agree with MP in that insulin should always be taken SubQ, NOT IM. Ignore me at your peril. I have done IM insulin before and thinking I had it under control, I shot 8iu PWO (back in the days before I figured out that PWO is too late, lol) had my PWO drink and got in the shower. I finished my shower by having a blast on cold water, just like I always do.

BIG mistake. The muscle contraction/flushing action of the cold water caused my IM shot to become almost intravenous in nature. Certainly it made uptake a LOT faster and peak level higher. I hadn’t even finished drying myself when the hypo hit. I bolted downstairs and scarfed whatever I could find into me (much like a G6 feeding frenzy, lol). Then I got the missus to drive us to Pizza Hut, stopping at a garage on the way, to consume 2 chocolate bars.

Anyway, I learnt from my mistake which is all that matters, lol.

So these days if I use insulin it is pre-training only, since I want to create the most anabolic environment possible.

BBB[/quote]
OK, I inject my 5 iu, take my protein shake along with oats and apple juice and hit the weights when? Immediately? What about the second meal, if I workout for over an hour? Do the slow digesting oats cover that?[/quote]

u should be injesting nutrients the entire time, drinking protein non stop during the workout, the way i did it was…shake before, shake during, shake after … meal after that … pretty much non stop nutrient intake the entire time the insulin is active. Do not drink a shake then go to the gym on insulin with nothing but water…BAD BAD idea also if you atarted out of the gate on 5 iu’s that was a mistake…lower to two ius. every time i ever took humalog i always used concurrently with GH. even with that i always saw it as 4 hours of non stop nutrient intake, i think anyone that tries to time the peaks and hit a meal every hour or whatever is kidding themselves and asking for trouble. AGAIN I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE USE INSULIN FOR BB PURPOSES…TOO MANY THINGS CAN GO WRONG.
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LOL, I am an old fart.I am used to old school workouts, eat a big protein rich meal,fully digest, workout like crazy, protein shake afterwards and again before bed! I NEVER ate during, too afraid of puking! I’ve ALWAYS worked out on an empty stomach! Though I WILL heed the advice of the more educated folks and beginning tonight I’m injecting slin pre workout, 50 gram protein shake, oatmeal and apple juice (tastes awesome), workout with shake and oatmeal standing by, sipping/eating periodically, finish workout, take another shake and a balanced meal before bed. thanks for all of your patience folks, Tim

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Jesus Tim, if you’re going to use advanced drugs and protocols, then you have to use advanced nutrition as well.

And you don’t really want oats and apple juice preworkout mate. They are both low GI.

AND you used apple juice to combat a hypom, when apple juice is low GI.

So get yourself on a proper plan:

HIGH GI carbs immediately pre-training with insulin.

HIGH GI carbs and aminos (or hydro protein) during training - in liquid format obviously.

Protein after training.

That’s obviously only the bare bones. I can’t tell you too much or I’ll be insulting my fee-paying athletes, God bless them one and all!

BBB[/quote]
Understood, LOL, thanks A

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To bush boy and apple juice and oat boy, I became a type 1 long after being a body builder (34 years old) and I don’t have perfect BS control. What I said was to read a little before you stick a needle in your ass. If you choose to do insulin, prepare yourself. This is what gave steroids a bad name, people that abuse it and are uneducated. I can post bad experiences also if I choose to be reckless and irresponsible.

I should know better than to post on this website any longer, it died years ago. Good luck with your insulin, I hope you become the giant you always dreamed about. Or just buy a sword.

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To the OP,

Thank you for posting your experience and detailing your nutrition plan.

It took a lot of humility to hold your hand up and say what had happened. It is very helpful and much appreciated.

People generaly learn better when they have a clear example right in front of them. By showing what happened to you(a well known poster on the forum) it makes things real. Others on this board are now a little more likely to make more informed choices and do more research when it comes to putting things into their body.

Well done for staying open minded and saying thank you to the person that showed how you could do things better.

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[quote]latspread wrote:
To the OP,

Thank you for posting your experience and detailing your nutrition plan.

It took a lot of humility to hold your hand up and say what had happened. It is very helpful and much appreciated.

People generaly learn better when they have a clear example right in front of them. By showing what happened to you(a well known poster on the forum) it makes things real. Others on this board are now a little more likely to make more informed choices and do more research when it comes to putting things into their body.

Well done for staying open minded and saying thank you to the person that showed how you could do things better.

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Thank you

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[quote]tiggersdesire wrote:
To bush boy and apple juice and oat boy, I became a type 1 long after being a body builder (34 years old) and I don’t have perfect BS control. What I said was to read a little before you stick a needle in your ass. If you choose to do insulin, prepare yourself. This is what gave steroids a bad name, people that abuse it and are uneducated. I can post bad experiences also if I choose to be reckless and irresponsible.

I should know better than to post on this website any longer, it died years ago. Good luck with your insulin, I hope you become the giant you always dreamed about. Or just buy a sword. [/quote]

I hadn’t really considered some of the hostility that may come my way via my post.
After re-evaluating my bright idea, I still stick to my guns and am NOT sorry that I posted this info. It WAS and still is my intention to help others, not cry about my experience.

I’m a pretty durable guy and consider myself lucky. Perhaps someone who is less durable may NOT have faired so well through my type of ordeal. Hopefully others will read my story and be concerned enough to be better prepared than I was BEFORE THEY embark on a similar journey.
So, if it makes you feel better to tell me off over the internet, feel free to do so.
I’ve got thick skin, take care and be healthy.

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I myself am a type 1 diabetic if your sugar gets low again drink Gatorade or maybe a Pepsi if your ok with drinking that crap. Thats the fastest way to feel better protein wont do a thing and candy bars contain fat so they will take very long to get your sugar back up. Or you could get glucose tabs from the pharmacy they don’t contain fat.

Also im all for doing whatever you got to do to get your results but as a warning i really have no idea how anyone could use insulin safely i have had a doctor tell me just 2 units will lower your sugar ABOUT 80 points unless your diabetic and are running high just 2 units would make your sugar unsafely low. So make sure you consume carbohydrates no less than 15 minutes after you dose. Edit also I if your using Humalog it takes 15 minutes to start working and stay working for 2 hrs after injected so after 2 hours anyone using this does not have to worry about getting sick good luck.

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[quote]750suzuki wrote:
I myself am a type 1 diabetic if your sugar gets low again drink Gatorade or maybe a Pepsi if your ok with drinking that crap. Thats the fastest way to feel better protein wont do a thing and candy bars contain fat so they will take very long to get your sugar back up. Or you could get glucose tabs from the pharmacy they don’t contain fat.

Also im all for doing whatever you got to do to get your results but as a warning i really have no idea how anyone could use insulin safely i have had a doctor tell me just 2 units will lower your sugar ABOUT 80 points unless your diabetic and are running high just 2 units would make your sugar unsafely low unless you consume carbohydrates no less than 15 minutes after you dose. If your using Humalog it takes 15 minutes to start working and stay working for 2 hrs after injected so after 2 hours anyone using this does not have to worry about getting sick good luck.[/quote]

please examine directly from lilly website…humalog peaks at 2 hours but is certainly not clear at two hours…at 4-6 hours you are pretty much clear. this is nhy i would never use anyting but humalog…most guys work out at night and the risk of going to bed while the slin is still active is very dangerous indeed

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Hey your right it does last 4 hours. I was going of what a diabetes educator had told me for my purposes. I guess for a diabetic like myself the little activity it has after 2 hours does not much affect us but maybe non diabetics need to monitor them self for 4 hours after use to be safe.

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Wow Tim nice thread very good to see a seasoned vet sharing this from a first timers perspective. Personally I’ve never touched slin for many of the reasons already addressed here. My own even remotely similar experience was one of my first GHRp6 shots where I was overcome with hunger and dizziness that was only abated by half a gallon of juice and a whole pizza.

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Thanks for the post Tim. It served as a good warning and will probably save a life (or prevent somebody who is thinking about using insulin from even trying it in the first place). It was a useful story and I wish everyone on here were that humble and honourable.

Tigger’s bashing is really just gratuitous and redundant.

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granted and that is what most diabetic educators will say…for me and purposes of reluctantly getting wrapped up in this topic anyway…i will go with the conservative watch your ass for 4 hours mark. I am sure you get what i am saying.

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[quote]morepain wrote:
granted and that is what most diabetic educators will say…for me and purposes of reluctantly getting wrapped up in this topic anyway…i will go with the conservative watch your ass for 4 hours mark. I am sure you get what i am saying. [/quote]
Better safe than SORRY (or DEAD!)
I’ve learned an extremely valuable lesson and from then on have been VERY cautious!

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Well, I was thinking about insulin, but obviously I do not want to do it until I learn everything I can about it. Even more so I do not want to do it if experienced users have run into problems. I guess the best idea is to have people around you and know exactly what may be going down if it is at home or at your gym, as long as you can trust them, or else don’t do slin. Also to be quite prepared for anything… Thanks for the post Tim.

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[quote]timhlbrk wrote:

[quote]morepain wrote:
granted and that is what most diabetic educators will say…for me and purposes of reluctantly getting wrapped up in this topic anyway…i will go with the conservative watch your ass for 4 hours mark. I am sure you get what i am saying. [/quote]
Better safe than SORRY (or DEAD!)
I’ve learned an extremely valuable lesson and from then on have been VERY cautious![/quote]

Dextrose mixed with water is absorbed quickest and will stop any reaction in just a few minutes. I recommend carrying around 12 ounces of dextrose water after injecting insulin just in case what you experienced happens.

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Just out of curiosity, do you have glucagon incase of situations like this? Not sure how hard it is for you to get where you are, up here in Canada Im pretty sure its avail sans script mucho like the slin itself. After reading this Im thinking I may keep some handy incase such a situation arises. Along with of course the glucose tablets. My ex was T1D and always had glucose tabs and glucagon incase of emergencies. Not sure how it would work in someone who isnt T1D if its different at all. How did the 2IUs pre-WO work out for you/how do you feel during your workout when using slin + extra protein+carbs?

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[quote]davidcox1 wrote:

[quote]timhlbrk wrote:

[quote]morepain wrote:
granted and that is what most diabetic educators will say…for me and purposes of reluctantly getting wrapped up in this topic anyway…i will go with the conservative watch your ass for 4 hours mark. I am sure you get what i am saying. [/quote]
Better safe than SORRY (or DEAD!)
I’ve learned an extremely valuable lesson and from then on have been VERY cautious![/quote]

Dextrose mixed with water is absorbed quickest and will stop any reaction in just a few minutes. I recommend carrying around 12 ounces of dextrose water after injecting insulin just in case what you experienced happens.[/quote]
Thank you, good advice and I WILL heed it.