Sometimes you got to just put all the numbers and rep schemes behind and just go with it! Train hard and make your body want to grow by mixing stuff up and saving hard exercises last. Good stuff, Hope to collaborate with you guys 
Did not watch video, but I agree.
I donât think certain templates are good -bases of reference- when beginning.
I do think as time goes by, though, if a trainer hasnât adjusted a lot of variables in their training along the way theyâre either not listening and paying attention to their body - or just got lucky with either something that âclicksâ with them or good genetics.
That is pretty much how I train most of the time and have for years.
I basic template worked as a beginner and sometimes even as an intermediate.
if you have been doing this long enough and know what makes you grow, you learn to make decisions on the fly.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is pretty much how I train most of the time and have for years.
I basic template worked as a beginner and sometimes even as an intermediate.
if you have been doing this long enough and know what makes you grow, you learn to make decisions on the fly.[/quote]
question
why would you make âdecisions on the flyâ if you actually know what works for you and have in the last 5 yearsâŠ
-_-
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ
Wow hey fellas great to see we have some people who agree! I agree with most of you guys however I prefer to do things the hard way. I didnât want to deadlift after 18 sets of back and 6 sets of hamstrings totaling a 1.5 hr session. I did deadlift though because I wanted my body to be introduced to a harder work regimen still hit some good numbers but definitely endurance was down!
Keep crushin it!
[quote]SSC wrote:
Did not watch video, but I agree.
I donât think certain templates are good -bases of reference- when beginning.
I do think as time goes by, though, if a trainer hasnât adjusted a lot of variables in their training along the way theyâre either not listening and paying attention to their body - or just got lucky with either something that âclicksâ with them or good genetics.[/quote]
Agree, but I am advanced and implement these every so often into training. But beginners I do agree, but also disagree if your just saying this type of training benefits beginners. Thanks for contributing!
I think training instinctively is the best way to go. If you turn building muscle into math homework youâre bound to fail.
I go with how I feel and look. Some days ill go upper back focus with moderate lower back work, and vice-versa. My train is feeling based on pumps and contractions, never lower than 8 reps normally with the exception of Heavy Deadlifts in which ill never go less than 3.
Then, there exercises i hardly ever do like upright rows and pullovers cause they donât work to the desire I intend.
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is pretty much how I train most of the time and have for years.
I basic template worked as a beginner and sometimes even as an intermediate.
if you have been doing this long enough and know what makes you grow, you learn to make decisions on the fly.[/quote]
question
why would you make âdecisions on the flyâ if you actually know what works for you and have in the last 5 yearsâŠ
-_-[/quote]
Possibly because you can not predict how your body will respond until you are in the gym and training.
Does this need further explanation?
[quote]zraw wrote:
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ[/quote]
âŠand if you get in the gym and your shoulder is still a little sore?
âŠand if you finish your workout and realize you have way more left in the tank?
There are countless things that could arise when actually at the gym that couild change how you train down to something as simple as smeone using the weiught you had planned to do nextâŠso you move up in weight by 5lbs in a dumbbellâŠwhich changes how you train.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ[/quote]
âŠand if you get in the gym and your shoulder is still a little sore?
âŠand if you finish your workout and realize you have way more left in the tank?
There are countless things that could arise when actually at the gym that couild change how you train down to something as simple as smeone using the weiught you had planned to do nextâŠso you move up in weight by 5lbs in a dumbbellâŠwhich changes how you train.[/quote]
Which is why I mentionned that Iâd still know what kind of movements iâd wanna do (if I was actually doing that kind of training), and when. You just said you know what works for you⊠well im guessing it doesnt completely change every day does it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ[/quote]
smeone using the weiught you had planned to do nextâŠso you move up in weight by 5lbs in a dumbbellâŠwhich changes how you train.[/quote]
Planning the weight⊠I hope nobody does that. And I wouldnt say thats changing training cause if it is well everytime you progress you change your training and are doing instinctive training
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is pretty much how I train most of the time and have for years.
I basic template worked as a beginner and sometimes even as an intermediate.
if you have been doing this long enough and know what makes you grow, you learn to make decisions on the fly.[/quote]
question
why would you make âdecisions on the flyâ if you actually know what works for you and have in the last 5 yearsâŠ
-_-[/quote]
Possibly because you can not predict how your body will respond until you are in the gym and training.
Does this need further explanation?[/quote]
yes so please do explain further
or tell me what works for you and has been for 5 years
or even bought
im just not getting what you are trying to say
you cannot know what works for you and also not know how your body will respondâŠ
I agree with X and Savaged.
I train entirely on instinct. I âmake decisions on the flyâ as X put it. It works for me. I use to turn everything into an equation, spending hours in the log book trying to come up with some sort of plan but I could never follow it. I know my favorite rep ranges, I know my favorite exercises/variations, now I just go to the gym and do whatever and it works for me.
I think thereâs a big difference between making âinstinctiveâ decisions (which can be bad as well as good), and having a good understanding of what works for you, how to approach certain methods, and where you are currently progress wise.
Usually I have an idea of what Iâm going to do heading in to train, but there will always be some decisions to be made once there. If thereâs an exercise that I never felt worked for me, then even if I wanted to try something different, it wouldnât be an option. If Iâm focusing on lower rep work for a while, and had to switch exercises due to availability, Iâd still do my best to adhere to the general program Iâve been employing. If Iâm in the midst of cutting weight, Iâd make certain that I wouldnât try anything that might be adverse to my main goal of muscle retention.
The term itself, instinctive, is poorly chosen, despite having gotten way too much attention in Flex magazine in the 80âs and 90âs. It was a way of making it sound like the Pros were so in touch with their bodies, and just so knowledgeable that THEY were able to do things on the fly. IMO, any good trainer who has been at this a while should posess a sound enough understanding of principles and their own physiology in order to have OPTIONS available to them, even when they did have a pre-planned idea of what theyâd do at the gym on any given day.
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[quote]howie424 wrote:
I agree with X and Savaged.
I train entirely on instinct. I âmake decisions on the flyâ as X put it. It works for me. I use to turn everything into an equation, spending hours in the log book trying to come up with some sort of plan but I could never follow it. I know my favorite rep ranges, I know my favorite exercises/variations, now I just go to the gym and do whatever and it works for me.
[/quote]
You have to be careful with this kind of thing. It can lead to better workouts, but you can also end up just doing the shit you like instead of what you NEED to be doing and develop weaknesses. It takes a lot of discipline to do what you should even if it isnât as fun. Thatâs one of the reasons I still go in with a pretty concrete plan that I only let myself stray so much from.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]howie424 wrote:
I agree with X and Savaged.
I train entirely on instinct. I âmake decisions on the flyâ as X put it. It works for me. I use to turn everything into an equation, spending hours in the log book trying to come up with some sort of plan but I could never follow it. I know my favorite rep ranges, I know my favorite exercises/variations, now I just go to the gym and do whatever and it works for me.
[/quote]
You have to be careful with this kind of thing. It can lead to better workouts, but you can also end up just doing the shit you like instead of what you NEED to be doing and develop weaknesses. It takes a lot of discipline to do what you should even if it isnât as fun. Thatâs one of the reasons I still go in with a pretty concrete plan that I only let myself stray so much from.[/quote]
Very true. Donât get me wrong, I donât just do random stuff in the gym, I do things for a purpose and things that need to be done get done.
I have a VERY general idea of what I may do in the gym but I go in knowing that I have plenty of options and regardless of what I choose, things gotta get done, and they gotta get done right.
[quote]zraw wrote:
Which is why I mentionned that Iâd still know what kind of movements iâd wanna do (if I was actually doing that kind of training), and when. You just said you know what works for you⊠well im guessing it doesnt completely change every day does it?
[/quote]
I didnât say it needed to change completely everyday. I know what works because I listen to my body.
I have gone to the gym planning to train legs and just felt like arms were more recoveredâŠso I trained arms.
I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. You question me as if what I am writing is difficult to comprehend.
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ[/quote]
smeone using the weiught you had planned to do nextâŠso you move up in weight by 5lbs in a dumbbellâŠwhich changes how you train.[/quote]
Planning the weight⊠I hope nobody does that. And I wouldnt say thats changing training cause if it is well everytime you progress you change your training and are doing instinctive training
[/quote]
You hope no one does that? WTF?
So if my plan is to grab a 55lbs dumbbell next, you are saying no one should do that?
Dude, no offense, but your constant complaints about everything I write donât make you look more knowledgeable.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
and im not refering to just switching something like inclined bench to flat hs press for that day because your shoulder bothers youâŠ
I could go in the gym without a written template per say⊠id still know, for chest for example, that id wanna start with a pre exhaust, then something with dumbell ramping up, then an explosive exercise for lower reps and then a stretching movementâŠ[/quote]
smeone using the weiught you had planned to do nextâŠso you move up in weight by 5lbs in a dumbbellâŠwhich changes how you train.[/quote]
Planning the weight⊠I hope nobody does that. And I wouldnt say thats changing training cause if it is well everytime you progress you change your training and are doing instinctive training
[/quote]
You hope no one does that? WTF?
So if my plan is to grab a 55lbs dumbbell next, you are saying no one should do that?
Dude, no offense, but your constant complaints about everything I write donât make you look more knowledgeable.[/quote]
My bad didnt read it as such. What I thought you were saying was that you would be using weight based on a written sheet of paper or based on what you should be using that day no matter how strong/weak you felt that day.
Also, stop thinking im trying to corner you or to argue with you, it will make actual discussion a lot easier. I do not have a negative attitude toward you so get that out of your head and we can actually discuss bodybuilding.